Name your HW prospects?

[oogiebe]

I didn't overtly say this when I added the ages to EO's list, but the problem they are going to have is to be a World Champion they have to beat the current top heavyweights. That is unless they are hoping the top guys retire so they can pick up a vacant title.

How many of that list above the age of 25 are realistically going to beat the current top guys in a world title fight?

Dubois is the youngest at 22, so it is most likely he will be a world champion.

Even if you look at Hrgovic, he looks like he has the tools and has a good volume of amateur fights, but he really seems like he is wasting his potential to develop by fighting so infrequently at pro level for his current age.

Hrg is falling in love with his power too much. That will hold back his development as well. HE used to be more fluid I think.

[Finkel]

I didn't overtly say this when I added the ages to EO's list, but the problem they are going to have is to be a World Champion they have to beat the current top heavyweights. That is unless they are hoping the top guys retire so they can pick up a vacant title.

How many of that list above the age of 25 are realistically going to beat the current top guys in a world title fight?

Dubois is the youngest at 22, so it is most likely he will be a world champion.

Even if you look at Hrgovic, he looks like he has the tools and has a good volume of amateur fights, but he really seems like he is wasting his potential to develop by fighting so infrequently at pro level for his current age.

Hrg is falling in love with his power too much. That will hold back his development as well. HE used to be more fluid I think.

To be fair to Hrgovic he fought a lot in 2018, but then slowed down in 2019 and with Corona virus lockdown it can't be good for these guys who don't have so much time on their side.

[oogiebe]

Hrg is falling in love with his power too much. That will hold back his development as well. HE used to be more fluid I think.

To be fair to Hrgovic he fought a lot in 2018, but then slowed down in 2019 and with Corona virus lockdown it can't be good for these guys who don't have so much time on their side.

I was thinking about that yesterday. Makhmudov; Hrg; Dychko (were the f has he been), etc. Lost time for them.

[Verdi]

I think Vladyslav Sirenko will be a title contender within the next couple of years. He's not a world name at the mo, but is an excellent talent and has some sickening body shots.

[candyslim]

Yes Verdi I have high hopes for Sirenko, but his career seems to have stalled even before this C19 outbreak. I think geography has hampered him but if he was willing to go to South Africa I can see no reason he shouldn't pursue his career in the US or the UK or even Canada once the world returns to normal.

I think a prospect is anyone with a decent chance of becoming world champion yet hasnt fought at a contender level yet.
Good way to rank is just by % chance of them ever winning a world title.

stealing someone elses list with age in bracket Then very quickly guessing (very inaccurate) this would be my chance of each of these guys winning a world title, (not WBA REG), it could be very wrong and it dosent rank them on whos a better boxer, or who would beat who, just who i think will go places. so to rank prospects id just go highest percentage first, lowest last.

.Daniel Dubois (22) 85%
• Evgenyi Romanov (34) 5%
• Vladyslav Sirenko (25) ?no idea %
• Efe Ajagba (25) 30%
• Arslanbek Makhmudov (30) 20%
• Filip Hrgović (27) 75%
• Ivan Dychko (29) 25%
• Tony Yoka (27) 65%
• Magomedrasul Medzhidov (33) 10%

That's a bad stammer you got there Greg

Kudos for tackling the controversial question of likelihood of winning a world title although I'm disappointed that you ignored my list.

There are some good prospects there: Kossobutsky has got a good win over another previously unbeaten prospect in 6' 6" Croat, Agron Smakici. Then you got two very likely lads in Miljas and Milas and talking of top prospects with very similar names, how about Magomedrasul Medzhidov and Muhammadrasul Majidov - for a while I thought they were one and the same fighter.

I do hope you are going to put right your omission.

[candyslim]

On that question of Magomedrasul Medzhidov and Muhammadrasul Majidov my suspicions got the better of me and I did did a quick search around the internet.

I believe they are the same guy with two variations on the Roman spelling of his family name, and I guess Magomed is a local variation for the prophet

If your name is written in the Cyrillic (Russian) alphabet there is not necessarily a correct way of spelling it using the Roman (Western) alphabet. Hell there are plenty of different ways of spelling Mohamet, Muhammad etc why not Magomed?. Same thing I suppose: No doubt about the spelling in the original Arabic but translate it to the international Roman or even Cyrillic then you choose whatever letters approximates the same sound phonetically in your opinion ...

Come to think of it i remember that one of the Asian former soviets is/was in the process of ditching the Cyrillic alphabet and adopting the Roman - it might very well have been Azerbaijan so that might explain my confusion .

Sorry if I'm boring you.

[Steel City]

On that question of Magomedrasul Medzhidov and Muhammadrasul Majidov my suspicions got the better of me and I did did a quick search around the internet.

I believe they are the same guy with two variations on the Roman spelling of his family name, and I guess Magomed is a local variation for the prophet

If your name is written in the Cyrillic (Russian) alphabet there is not necessarily a correct way of spelling it using the Roman (Western) alphabet. Hell there are plenty of different ways of spelling Mohamet, Muhammad etc why not Magomed?. Same thing I suppose: No doubt about the spelling in the original Arabic but translate it to the international Roman or even Cyrillic then you choose whatever letters approximates the same sound phonetically in your opinion ...

Come to think of it i remember that one of the Asian former soviets is/was in the process of ditching the Cyrillic alphabet and adopting the Roman - it might very well have been Azerbaijan so that might explain my confusion .

Sorry if I'm boring you.

Majidov/Medhzidov is originally from Dagestan, Russia. He was born and grew up there, fought in the Russian national championships. etc. But then Azerbaijan have poached him from Russia to represent them in boxing, and now to appeal the Azerbaijan people he's altered his name.

Azerbaijan have been poaching a lot of top boxers from Russia and Cuba in recent years ( I'm surprised no one ever talks about this) - Medhzidov, Albert Selimov (only man to defeat Loma in the amateurs),Abdulkadir Abdullayev, Mahammad Abdullayev. Teymur Mammadov, Lorenzo Sotomayor, Loren Alfonso, Alfonso Dominguez etc

[candyslim]

Thanks for that. You're very well informed about the region for a man from Pittsburgh or Sheffield. So much for all my speculating and research, I should have just asked

Edit: Unless of course the Steel City you''re from is Magnitogorsk or somewhere else in the east.

[Finkel]

Thanks for that. You're very well informed about the region for a man from Pittsburgh or Sheffield. So much for all my speculating and research, I should have just asked

Edit: Unless of course the Steel City you''re from is Magnitogorsk or somewhere else in the east.

Shout out to Redcar

[candyslim]

Well I guess that's east ... kind of

You got that from the man himself?

[Finkel]

No, just flying the flag for the North East

[candyslim]

The smoggy riviera, eh?

So where are you from Steel City? edit: Got it - Owl or Blade?

[pound per pound]

Yes Verdi I have high hopes for Sirenko, but his career seems to have stalled even before this C19 outbreak. I think geography has hampered him but if he was willing to go to South Africa I can see no reason he shouldn't pursue his career in the US or the UK or even Canada once the world returns to normal.

I think a prospect is anyone with a decent chance of becoming world champion yet hasnt fought at a contender level yet.
Good way to rank is just by % chance of them ever winning a world title.

stealing someone elses list with age in bracket Then very quickly guessing (very inaccurate) this would be my chance of each of these guys winning a world title, (not WBA REG), it could be very wrong and it dosent rank them on whos a better boxer, or who would beat who, just who i think will go places. so to rank prospects id just go highest percentage first, lowest last.

.Daniel Dubois (22) 85%
• Evgenyi Romanov (34) 5%
• Vladyslav Sirenko (25) ?no idea %
• Efe Ajagba (25) 30%
• Arslanbek Makhmudov (30) 20%
• Filip Hrgović (27) 75%
• Ivan Dychko (29) 25%
• Tony Yoka (27) 65%
• Magomedrasul Medzhidov (33) 10%

That's a bad stammer you got there Greg

Kudos for tackling the controversial question of likelihood of winning a world title although I'm disappointed that you ignored my list.

There are some good prospects there: Kossobutsky has got a good win over another previously unbeaten prospect in 6' 6" Croat, Agron Smakici. Then you got two very likely lads in Miljas and Milas and talking of top prospects with very similar names, how about Magomedrasul Medzhidov and Muhammadrasul Majidov - for a while I thought they were one and the same fighter.

I do hope you are going to put right your omission.

Using Gregregegg's list I think he's either hasn't see much of Makhmudov or is sleeping on him. This guy hits like David Tua, except he's 6'5" tall with good accuracy and boxing skills. Chin is very good as well. I'd like to see who can stand up to his power. The Russian is a scary looking man. To quote a movie, whatever the hits, he destroys.

I would add Joyce to the list. Actually there's lot of guys. Hrgovic to me is most likely to become a world champion.

[pound per pound]

Yes Verdi I have high hopes for Sirenko, but his career seems to have stalled even before this C19 outbreak. I think geography has hampered him but if he was willing to go to South Africa I can see no reason he shouldn't pursue his career in the US or the UK or even Canada once the world returns to normal.

I think a prospect is anyone with a decent chance of becoming world champion yet hasnt fought at a contender level yet.
Good way to rank is just by % chance of them ever winning a world title.

stealing someone elses list with age in bracket Then very quickly guessing (very inaccurate) this would be my chance of each of these guys winning a world title, (not WBA REG), it could be very wrong and it dosent rank them on whos a better boxer, or who would beat who, just who i think will go places. so to rank prospects id just go highest percentage first, lowest last.

.Daniel Dubois (22) 85%
• Evgenyi Romanov (34) 5%
• Vladyslav Sirenko (25) ?no idea %
• Efe Ajagba (25) 30%
• Arslanbek Makhmudov (30) 20%
• Filip Hrgović (27) 75%
• Ivan Dychko (29) 25%
• Tony Yoka (27) 65%
• Magomedrasul Medzhidov (33) 10%

That's a bad stammer you got there Greg

Kudos for tackling the controversial question of likelihood of winning a world title although I'm disappointed that you ignored my list.

There are some good prospects there: Kossobutsky has got a good win over another previously unbeaten prospect in 6' 6" Croat, Agron Smakici. Then you got two very likely lads in Miljas and Milas and talking of top prospects with very similar names, how about Magomedrasul Medzhidov and Muhammadrasul Majidov - for a while I thought they were one and the same fighter.

I do hope you are going to put right your omission.

Using Gregregegg's list I think he's either hasn't see much of Makhmudov or is sleeping on him. This guy hits like David Tua, except he's 6'5" tall with good accuracy and boxing skills. Chin is very good as well. I'd like to see who can stand up to his power. The Russian is a scary looking man. To quote a movie, whatever the hits, he destroys.

I would add Joyce to the list. Actually there's lot of guys. Hrgovic to me is most likely to become a world champion.

[PLAYER-HATER]

any inside about David Adeleye?


Personally, I don't trust Tony Yoka that much. He was knocked down couple of times fighting with helmet on. Considering he has no room for PEDs since he was caught - resistance is hardly possible to develop.

Filip Hrgovic is dodger and would be able to crack multiple top20 guys but defending by absorbing everything on head is never good idea. I am worried if Molina was able to land many.

I am not sold on Efe Ajagba. Very cheap version of current Deontay Wilder. Lacks of killer instinct and wobbly in middle rounds.

Makhmudov should give fantastic fights considering his style but pretty raw technique and can be cracked. Potential boogeyman in division.
Sirenko is very good body puncher which is unusual in HW and could be solid if given chance. Same with Dychko

Jared Anderson waaaaay to early to say except of good rumours from sparring sessions

McKean, Miljas, Kossobutsky, Romanov, Davtaev Sanchez - not title contenders but could crack into top20 sooner than later.


Daniel Dubois is obvious choice as best prospect but still way more mysterious than proven

Next Usyk might be Evgeny Tishchenko. Best fundamentals from all prospects but could lack size and power for HW. I bet he dominate Cruiser though.

[gregregegg]

Yes Verdi I have high hopes for Sirenko, but his career seems to have stalled even before this C19 outbreak. I think geography has hampered him but if he was willing to go to South Africa I can see no reason he shouldn't pursue his career in the US or the UK or even Canada once the world returns to normal.




That's a bad stammer you got there Greg

Kudos for tackling the controversial question of likelihood of winning a world title although I'm disappointed that you ignored my list.

There are some good prospects there: Kossobutsky has got a good win over another previously unbeaten prospect in 6' 6" Croat, Agron Smakici. Then you got two very likely lads in Miljas and Milas and talking of top prospects with very similar names, how about Magomedrasul Medzhidov and Muhammadrasul Majidov - for a while I thought they were one and the same fighter.

I do hope you are going to put right your omission.

Using Gregregegg's list I think he's either hasn't see much of Makhmudov or is sleeping on him. This guy hits like David Tua, except he's 6'5" tall with good accuracy and boxing skills. Chin is very good as well. I'd like to see who can stand up to his power. The Russian is a scary looking man. To quote a movie, whatever the hits, he destroys.

I would add Joyce to the list. Actually there's lot of guys. Hrgovic to me is most likely to become a world champion.

I did say i badly rushed it. I actuly havent seen much of Makhmudov, mainly cause he has never been in a meaningfull fight. Rice is his best pro win probably and he lasted 7 rounds... rice dose not last 7 with tua, let along a 6'5 tua with better accuracy and skills..... He also lost to Fa in WBSS witch was a long time ago, But they would of both been 22/23ish at the time. But as i said, they were quick guesses, I think you might over rate him based of the tua comparison, i might underate him based on not watching him and judging a weak record..

Joyce Having fought jennings and being 34 i dont consider him a prospect anymore. Id have him as a contender, but they are just words realy.

I basicaly agree hrgovic is the best of the list right now (but i thought he was shit vs molina). just dubious having 5 extra year, and being from a more marketable country makes me think he has more chances at a title.

[margaret thatcher]

Funny enough Joe Parker lost to Mario Heredia in WSB

Mak's a fun watch but tbh 20 percent seems about right if we exclude secondary titles, he is big and strong but not much more refined than Breazeale. He would beat Fa in the pros though.

65 on Yoka, not sure I have that much confidence in him

Hrg to be honest hasn't impressed me, not sure what so many people are seeing. He looked better in WSB imo

Dubster is defo the standout

[candyslim]

Yeah after wins over the faded Stiverne, Ustinov, and Jennings, that for me propels Joyce out of the prospect category and into contender, or at least fringe-contender. Not so much due to his age for reasons I explained earlier in this thread.

I do like the look of Makhmudov. He has tremendous power and seems able to deliver it to the target, but he hasn't faced anyone of real quality as yet. As has been said already, a decent but hardly outstanding journeyman like Jonathon Rice took him seven rounds so I'm reserving judgement.

I've no inside knowledge of David Adeleye who has had only one fight, having delayed starting his pro career until graduating university. He looks like and compares himself to Daniel Dubois, who I believe he spars with (I might have got that wrong) and in a way he is the flip side to DDD charismatic and outgoing. He is clearly intelligent, articulate, and seems very self-assured. Can he fight though? We shall just have to wait and see.

While I hate to write off someone just because they lost their '0' (I think it's that kind of thinking has made fighters today so risk-averse in comparison to the past) the fact that Simon Kean got knocked out by hard punching but pretty limited fellow Canuck, Dillon Carman doesn't fill me with confidence that he's likely to make an impact at the highest level, but then Wlad and Lennox suffered KO defeats so I won't write him off completely just yet.

Damn I just looked back and saw it wasn't Kean but McKean that was mentioned. I've had high hopes for Kali Meehan's boy, Willis but it seems his career still hasn't got off the ground after five years as a pro (any Aussies shed any light on this?) so Demsey McKean seems the best hope Australia has got at least until Joe Goodall can get established.

Demsey recently got a 10th round TKO over the aforementioned Jonathon Rice which sounds moderately impressive on the face of it, but from what I understand it was a close run thing with McKean snatching victory from the jaws of defeat so I think that gives some perspective as regards Demsey McKean's level.

I'll leave it there. This is turning into a novel

[Woldemar]

Tony Yoka
Daniel Dubois
Philip Hrgovic
Joe Joyce
Efe Ajagba
Arslanbek Makhmudov
Vladislav Sirenko
Frank Sanchez
Ivan Dychko
Evgeniy Romanov
Magomedrasul Medzhidov
Martin Bakole Ilunga

[Boxtune]

2020, 13:24

Efe Ajagba
Bakhodir jalalov
Daniel Dubois
Tony Yoka
Philip Hrgovic
Joe Joyce
Arslanbek Makhmudov

[TheGingerBomber]

Peter Kadiru isn’t on Dubois’ level, but at a similar age of 22, he has a lot of time and some raw talent. The right development could see him make a dent, who knows.

Peter Milas to me looks a good prospect, good feet, nice quick hands with his combinations, may not have the power to give him the edge.

If you put Martin Bakole up against Ajagba right now, Bakole would blow his head off. Not losing hope for Ajagba, but he needs to start showing more very soon indeed.

Zhan Kossubutskiy looks decent.

Jared Anderson very talented but is a long way off fighting for a world title, if ever.

Anyone know how Darmani Rock is getting on?

[oogiebe]

Peter Kadiru isn’t on Dubois’ level, but at a similar age of 22, he has a lot of time and some raw talent. The right development could see him make a dent, who knows.

Peter Milas to me looks a good prospect, good feet, nice quick hands with his combinations, may not have the power to give him the edge.

If you put Martin Bakole up against Ajagba right now, Bakole would blow his head off. Not losing hope for Ajagba, but he needs to start showing more very soon indeed.

Zhan Kossubutskiy looks decent.

Jared Anderson very talented but is a long way off fighting for a world title, if ever.

Anyone know how Darmani Rock is getting on?

Rock is going nowhere fast, except at the scales. Until he takes his training seriously, he's a long shot at best, which is a shame as he shows some skills.

[Steel City]

Mihai Nistor (Romania) is one that people forget about. Very short but he's strong and can really punch.

[candyslim]

To be honest I hadn't realized he'd turned pro. He was a good amateur, short and powerful as you describe.

Nice one Ginge. It's good to see some of the less touted, not necessarily less talented, prospects getting some consideration.

I thought MBI looked frightening in bombing out Akinlade, but my impressions were tempered a bit by his schooling by Michael Hunter. That's no disgrace though and he put together four good wins last year. Wach and Kingpin were the bigger names but for me the most impressive was stopping Rodney Hernandez in two, not too many people do that to Hernandez in fact curiously enough the only other man to beat him inside the distance was Efe Ajagba.

I'd agree Bakole is a little ahead in his development but I don't see a fight between Bakole and Ajagba as anywhere near as predictable as you do. I wonder if a fight between them as the two outstanding contenders for the all African title would be likely to generate enough interest / money to make that commercially attractive.

[Steel City]

I would have Majidov right up there at the top based on ability and if he was fast tracked like crazy. But in reality he's left it far too late and it doesn't look like he's gonna be active enough, he's 2-0 and he'll be 34 in August. Looks like he's only gonna be fighting 2 or 3 times a year. Fury and Joshua aren't gonna give a shot to a dangerous not well known guy whos only had about 6 fights. He's gonna start to regress soon cause of age. He'll probably be 38 or 39 if he was to get a world title shot, it's too late.