Name your HW prospects?

[Loki]

How about this guy?

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/763287

I mentioned him on both page 1 and page 2 of this thread. He is the current Canadian champion and one huge unit. Canucks refer to him as "Monster Mel". He has a very upright style, is capable of putting punches together, but tends to come forward throwing single shots with bad intentions. He is heavy handed but I don't see him as being a concussive puncher as he moves up the levels.

His left is used mainly as a range finder although he has a decent jab if he troubles to use it. While he tends to plod forward, systematically taking most of what comes back at him on his arms, he is mobile enough to drop back smartly out of range when the need arises.

The quality of his opposition has been largely unimpressive. His best opponent was former champion Dillon Carman who is one of those fighters that is vulnerable but always dangerous - just ask Mel's fellow Canadian prospect Simon Kean, who Carman knocked out in a big upset. Although Mel stopped him in two to win the title, the fight was remarkable for the rare occurrence of a double-knockdown as they both landed simultaneously with powerful shots.

It has to be said that Carman looked by far the less affected fighter on rising to his feet but the cynic in me suspects that's probably because Dillon is no stranger to being dumped on his arse, wheras it was a new experience for Miljas and something of a shock. Carman can really dig so I don't think this is indicative of Miljas being chinny but it does suggest he is not as indestructible as his appearance might lead one to expect.

I hasten to add that I haven't seen a great deal of him but these are my impressions.

Great summary Sir. Apologies, didn’t see that you’d referenced him. Perhaps one to watch.

[oogiebe]

How about this guy?

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/763287

It's impossible to say of course, but I looked up his opponents and they have all been knocked out a lot.

Used to have him on my watch list. After his last several fights, I took him off. He's a ko waiting to happen.

[margaret thatcher]

It's impossible to say of course, but I looked up his opponents and they have all been knocked out a lot.

Used to have him on my watch list. After his last several fights, I took him off. He's a ko waiting to happen.

Are his last several fights online. I did see the double KD but nothing of him since, though it all has just been can crushing

[oogiebe]

Used to have him on my watch list. After his last several fights, I took him off. He's a ko waiting to happen.

Are his last several fights online. I did see the double KD but nothing of him since, though it all has just been can crushing

Hardly, but after facing Carmen, I thought he'd step up his competition and he didn't. The vids available are few. The highlight vids aren't very impressive.

[N2 Shape]

Peoples thoughts on there prospects

Zhan Kossobutskiy 13-0-0
Lukasz Rozanski 11-0-0
Arslanbek Makhmudov 10-0-0
Demsey McKean 18-0-0
Evgeny Romanov 14-0-0

All of the above are ranked betwen 30-40 on Boxrec. Outside of maybe McKean they all likely need 2-3 more meaningful fights before you could say they are genuine contenders or threats. McKean has a few more W's next to his name and is ranked in top 15 by WBO & IBF so argument can be made he's ready for a BIG fight to position himself towards the top of the rankings.

[margaret thatcher]

McKean and Mak's best opponent is Jonathon Rice for each, they both have fought no one near the level to get them ready for contenders yet

McKean isn't bad, moves well for a big man, though I think he's fringe-contender potential at best

[oogiebe]

Peoples thoughts on there prospects

Zhan Kossobutskiy 13-0-0
Lukasz Rozanski 11-0-0
Arslanbek Makhmudov 10-0-0
Demsey McKean 18-0-0
Evgeny Romanov 14-0-0

All of the above are ranked betwen 30-40 on Boxrec. Outside of maybe McKean they all likely need 2-3 more meaningful fights before you could say they are genuine contenders or threats. McKean has a few more W's next to his name and is ranked in top 15 by WBO & IBF so argument can be made he's ready for a BIG fight to position himself towards the top of the rankings.

McKean isn't going anywhere. Makmudov is the best of the bunch, or at least the most intriguing.

[gregregegg]

So many "prospects" (just undefeated people realy) at or even past there prime. Half the fighters from boxrecs 18-50 are undefeated. There are only so many established C grade fighters. and those guys would rather vs each other or get big checks for top guys having tuneups. most of the prospects dont have deep enough pockets to get a crack at a washington, arreola, takem, allen, ect.

Those with the good finacial backing can stay on the standard line of faded has beens, like joyce, hrgovic, and DDD, It is the best way to build your name with minimum risk. But the rest realy need to start fighting each other more often for regional titles, and hopefuly some ranking.

eg.
Junior Fa vs dempsy mkean for an oriental type belt.
Makhmudov vs Romanov for a russian/asian belt.
Ajagba vs Bakole for an african belt.
Dychko vs Kossobutskiy for a kazak belt.

There all good fights. and if people back themselves they should have a crack. (ajagba should probly dodge that one though...)

[margaret thatcher]

Not yet a heavyweight, but Tristan Kalkreuth (18 y/o) will eventually be there. This kid has terrific skills and a classic left hook. Watch him in the coming years.

Tristan Kalkreuth on the HW prospects thread? I guess the Muricans really have to look to the long game now for the upcoming big bois , though I like the outside the box thought

[oogiebe]

Not yet a heavyweight, but Tristan Kalkreuth (18 y/o) will eventually be there. This kid has terrific skills and a classic left hook. Watch him in the coming years.

Tristan Kalkreuth on the HW prospects thread? I guess the Muricans really have to look to the long game now for the upcoming big bois , though I like the outside the box thought

There's a 12 y/o in Freeport Long Island who I'm high on.

[margaret thatcher]

[candyslim]

I mentioned him on both page 1 and page 2 of this thread. He is the current Canadian champion and one huge unit. Canucks refer to him as "Monster Mel". He has a very upright style, is capable of putting punches together, but tends to come forward throwing single shots with bad intentions. He is heavy handed but I don't see him as being a concussive puncher as he moves up the levels.

His left is used mainly as a range finder although he has a decent jab if he troubles to use it. While he tends to plod forward, systematically taking most of what comes back at him on his arms, he is mobile enough to drop back smartly out of range when the need arises.

The quality of his opposition has been largely unimpressive. His best opponent was former champion Dillon Carman who is one of those fighters that is vulnerable but always dangerous - just ask Mel's fellow Canadian prospect Simon Kean, who Carman knocked out in a big upset. Although Mel stopped him in two to win the title, the fight was remarkable for the rare occurrence of a double-knockdown as they both landed simultaneously with powerful shots.

It has to be said that Carman looked by far the less affected fighter on rising to his feet but the cynic in me suspects that's probably because Dillon is no stranger to being dumped on his arse, wheras it was a new experience for Miljas and something of a shock. Carman can really dig so I don't think this is indicative of Miljas being chinny but it does suggest he is not as indestructible as his appearance might lead one to expect.

I hasten to add that I haven't seen a great deal of him but these are my impressions.

Great summary Sir. Apologies, didn’t see that you’d referenced him. Perhaps one to watch.

Perhaps but I see there are decent judges who would beg to differ.

[candyslim]

Peoples thoughts on there prospects

Zhan Kossobutskiy 13-0-0
Lukasz Rozanski 11-0-0
Arslanbek Makhmudov 10-0-0
Demsey McKean 18-0-0
Evgeny Romanov 14-0-0

All of the above are ranked betwen 30-40 on Boxrec. Outside of maybe McKean they all likely need 2-3 more meaningful fights before you could say they are genuine contenders or threats. McKean has a few more W's next to his name and is ranked in top 15 by WBO & IBF so argument can be made he's ready for a BIG fight to position himself towards the top of the rankings.

I really like Zhan Kossobutskiy although he's now 31 and needs to get his skates on. He is a come forward southpaw with power in both hands and a notable body puncher. He has some names on his resumé which are very familiar to me although not in a good way.

His best win is over 6' 6" Agron Smakici from Croatia who was himself a prospect and on my radar. Now I can't testify to the quality or otherwise of Smakici's chin, but he was completely demolished in one round and looked shocked at the power of Kossobutskiy's punches.

Without a doubt the most impressive I've seen him was an old amateur fight some years back against Magomedrasul Medzhidov (AKA Muhammadrasul Majidov) who was a couple of years older and went on to become the world's top amateur super-heavy before joining the current crop of new pros. i've no doubt Medzhidov was to get a lot better but I was impressed by ZK's excellent mixing up of attack and defense, showing skills, slipping shots and counterpunching that he hasn't so far needed to demonstrate as a pro. He wasn't the least intimidated by his opponent and won a clear decision.

Lukasz Rozanski: Best win was an impressive 4 round KO over Izuagbe Ugonoh but I think the loss to Breazeale rather knocked the stuffing out of Izu, and I don't know if he was mentally the same fighter he had been. I suspect not. Rozanski struck me as a tough uncomplicated brawler without any finesse or any obvious quality which might suggest he could compete at world level. Maybe European. Maybe not. Maybe I do him an injustice.

Arslanbek Makhmudov: Seems a nice fun loving guy which belies his fearsome appearance made more so by a head twitch that seems to have got worse as the years have gone by. He is huge and powerful but I've seen skilled amateurs negate that power and the unheralded Jonathan Rice (a journeyman who never comes to lie down) took him seven rounds, so whether that power will be enough as the opposition gets tougher, remains to be seen. He's great to watch though and can be in some fun fights.

Demsey McKean: Also fought Jonathan Rice in his last fight. He got the win but looked on the verge of defeat by all accounts. It gives an idea as to his level and it doesn't give me any confidence that he is likely to rise much above local level. I'd like to see him fight Junior Fa, that would be a good fight, probably more so than either against Joe Parker.

Evgeny Romanov: Knocked out Wilder in the amateurs and has been a class act. He's 34 though and only 6 foot zero. He knocked out Dillon Carman in one, but I watched him fight the nothing-much Argentinean Bracamonte. Romanov was always dominant and Bracamonte couldn't cope with his power but it seemed to me at times Romanov struggled with the size of his opponent and was getting manhandled by a really poor but much bigger man. Of course it could be Romanov was content to go with the flow and let the Argentinean wear himself out but I got to wondering how he'd cope with a Joe Joyce or a Dillian Whyte.

[Boxtune]

Efe Ajagba Is best upcoming heavy weight , period.

[candyslim]

Considering you'd never heard of Martin Bakole Ilunga (or if you had, you thought that few others - on a specialist boxing forum - would have), then I'd be highly skeptical about what your opinion is actually based on.

[PLAYER-HATER]

Lukasz Rozanski: Best win was an impressive 4 round KO over Izuagbe Ugonoh but I think the loss to Breazeale rather knocked the stuffing out of Izu, and I don't know if he was mentally the same fighter he had been. I suspect not. Rozanski struck me as a tough uncomplicated brawler without any finesse or any obvious quality which might suggest he could compete at world level. Maybe European. Maybe not. Maybe I do him an injustice.

Ugonoh-Rozanski fight was surprise in Poland. Izu's mental collapses had been known for a while but still Rozanski was clearly underdog.
He showed great heart and fighting in his hometown - gave him extra motivation but I think it is more Ugonoh lost not only to this fight but to boxing in general (he moves to MMA now) than Rozanski wins.

He is very limited fighter with decent power but unproven jaw, stamina and visibly lacks of speed and footwork.

He had offer from Oleksandr Usyk but injury prevented it from happening. Due to his strong connections with wealthy sponsours I think he would be given a chance to fight with big name to earn p$ycheck and i.e Hrgovic or Majidov could take his "0" out of record to boost his name.


I enjoy reading your thoughts so what do you think about:

Peter Milas
Vlad Sirenko
Apti Davtaev
Stephan Shaw
Guido Vianello
Olek Zakhozhyi
Jermaine Franklin
Raphael Tronche

[gilgamesh]

Guido Vianello looked pretty impressive to me when I saw him, granted it was an early bout against a not too terribly dangerous opponent, but he has an upside certainly.

Jermaine Franklin has just about reached the peak of his ability. He's around Top 25 at best. Next notch he tries to step up he probably loses.

[candyslim]

Lukasz Rozanski: Best win was an impressive 4 round KO over Izuagbe Ugonoh but I think the loss to Breazeale rather knocked the stuffing out of Izu, and I don't know if he was mentally the same fighter he had been. I suspect not. Rozanski struck me as a tough uncomplicated brawler without any finesse or any obvious quality which might suggest he could compete at world level. Maybe European. Maybe not. Maybe I do him an injustice.

Ugonoh-Rozanski fight was surprise in Poland. Izu's mental collapses had been known for a while but still Rozanski was clearly underdog.
He showed great heart and fighting in his hometown - gave him extra motivation but I think it is more Ugonoh lost not only to this fight but to boxing in general (he moves to MMA now) than Rozanski wins.

He is very limited fighter with decent power but unproven jaw, stamina and visibly lacks of speed and footwork.

He had offer from Oleksandr Usyk but injury prevented it from happening. Due to his strong connections with wealthy sponsours I think he would be given a chance to fight with big name to earn p$ycheck and i.e Hrgovic or Majidov could take his "0" out of record to boost his name.


I enjoy reading your thoughts so what do you think about:

Peter Milas
Vlad Sirenko
Apti Davtaev
Stephan Shaw
Guido Vianello
Olek Zakhozhyi
Jermaine Franklin
Raphael Tronche

Your comments about Rozanski and Ugonoh pretty much accord with my impressions. Thanks for your words of encouragement, it feels good to know someone appreciates my efforts and isn't thinking 'why doesn't this windbag STFU?" Let's have a look at your list then:

Peter Milas: He's got nice movement, decent boxing skills, and time on his side. What I did think might be a problem is a lack of punching power. Having said that his KO percentage isn't bad, and he has some respectable names on his record for a young heavyweight. He stopped Kevin Johnson which triple D couldn't manage, Denis Bakhtov who is tough and proud if now past his prime, and 14-1-1 Mirko Tintor (know nothing about him). Francesco Pianeta and Johnny Muller took him the distance though.

Vlad Sirenko: Another with time on his side. I like Sirenko he is a come forward fighter that doesn't neglect defence. He has a good range of shots and lets both hands go when he sees an opportunity. He mixes attacks to head and body. He too has stopped Bakhtov but it's something of an indictment that after 15 fights or thereabouts, his best win is arguably a 6 round decision over Jamal Woods. I'm hopeful though.

Humpty Dumptyev I'm not convinced by this guy. He's big and strong but seems a bit limited to me. He's got a good KO ratio but when you consider his best opponent is probably Daniel Martz who went out in one, it's not that impressive for a guy who's thirty one and been a pro nearly seven years. He's talking like he's about to take a big step up but I don't see him as a top twenty contender. I'd like to see him fight Adam Braidwood that'd be a no frills punch-up.

Stephan Shaw: I seem to have been waiting forever for this guy to make his move, but he's still only about 27. He has a KO win over Donovan Dennis (first man to KO Razvan Cojanu) but his best win is his most recent fight KO3 over Greg Corbin. I'd more or less given up on him but it looks like I may have been a bit hasty.

Guido Vianello: I said on here recently that I'd stick my neck out and predict that although he would never win a world title, his countrymen will one day be debating whether Vianello or Carnera was the best heavyweight ever produced by Italy. He's big, he's athletic, he can box, he can move, and he's got good amateur and WSB experience. I must confess I thought he was still in his twenties, but having just checked I see he's already thirty one. Better get cracking Guido if my Carnera prediction isn't going to end up looking very foolish.

Sascha Zakhozhyi: Not too many fighters abound who are taller than Tyson Fury (6' 9½"). He's twenty six so plenty of time to improve. I like what I've seen so far. He has a good jab as you might expect, which he often doubles up, and sometimes throws a hook off the jab. He has very good mobility, creates angles, uses a lot of feints and has enough pop to KO the likes of Irineu Beato Costa Jnr. in three rounds. A cynic might say that's like saying he has enough power to knock the skin off a rice-pudding, or that IBC Jnr's name is longer than most of his fights. In his last fight Zakhozhyi outpointed Kingpin Kev Johnson over 8 rounds so I'm looking forward to watching his progression.

Jermaine Franklin: Decent amateur but what always concerned me is that at 6' 1" Franklin is very short for a boxer with his style. He's a lot taller than a Frazier, a Tyson or a Tua but these guys were front foot pressure fighters able to translate their lack of height into an asset. Franklin is a boxer rather than a puncher and his height is more of a handicap. A split decision over "Slug" Forrest doesn't suggest to me that Franklin is likely to progress much further.

Raphael Tronché: A few years ago I had on my watchlist a Frenchman with the challenging name of Newfel Ouatah who can boast four wins over former French champion Cyrille Leonet. One more win and he'll be entitled to take Leonet home and keep him in a glass cabinet Ouatah has retired against Erkan Teper in 6, Johann Duhaupas in 3, and before his lasr win over Leonet (KO6), Ouatah got stopped in one round by Uaine "Junior" Fa.
WTF has this got to do with Raphael Tronché I hear you ask? Well Tronché's best win (arguably Bracamonte KO9) is a ten round decision over Cyrille Leonet beaten four times and stopped in 6 by Newfel Ouatah. Tronché's going nowhere, trust me.

[oogiebe]

Vianello is only 25. He's gonna be a good one.

[candyslim]

That's what I had thought. Must have written it down wrong in my watch-list book ...

[oogiebe]

That's what I had thought. Must have written it down wrong in my watch-list book ...

Eh...shvte happens. Should be the worst thing

[candyslim]

Interested in your take on the rest of it.

[oogiebe]

Shaw has a chance of being a decent top 15/20. Will probably get one decent payday and then fade away.

Franklin won't get any better.

Sirenko has a good future.

Milas sucks.

Vianello has a chance of being a top 10 and maybe better.

Don't follow the rest for one reason or another. Know a bit of all of them except Olek Zakhozhyi.

Find it curious to not see Makhmudov; Jalalov (guess cause he's an am again) on the list.

[Boxtune]

Sascha Zakhozhyi: Not too many fighters abound who are taller than Tyson Fury (6' 9½"). He's twenty six so plenty of time to improve. I like what I've seen so far. He has a good jab as you might expect, which he often doubles up, and sometimes throws a hook off the jab. He has very good mobility, creates angles, uses a lot of feints and has enough pop to KO the likes of Irineu Beato Costa Jnr. in three rounds. A cynic might say that's like saying he has enough power to knock the skin off a rice-pudding, or that IBC Jnr's name is longer than most of his fights. In his last fight Zakhozhyi outpointed Kingpin Kev Johnson over 8 rounds so I'm looking forward to watching his progression.

Tyson fury is never 6'9". Even klitchko said he is same exact height as Mariusz Wach.

https://www.celebheights.com/s/Tyson-Fury-49113.html
Here Average Guess (264 Votes)
6ft 7.49inches (201.9cm)

Looking closely he was maybe half inch taller than wlad, so 6'7" to 6' 7.5" max.

[candyslim]

We already talked about Makhmudov. Like you said Balolov is an amateur again.

I think that's disgusting and potentially very dangerous to any greenhorn Jalolov might be sharing the ring with. I can't believe I find myself on the same side of an argument as Mauricio Scumbag