Chuck Liddell vs Mike Tyson

[zuru]

I just read this.Im sure many think Liddell wins,but I'm going for Tyson.Sure the majority of times a matchup like this would go to the non boxer,but Tyson is fast and explosive and Liddell has never been hit by somebody with Tysons power.

https://www.sportbible.com/ufc/boxing-n ... n-20200425

[gilgamesh]

I think a particularly great boxer could've beaten Chuck in the Octagon or a Boxing ring. He was a stand up striker fighter anyway. He had a little bit of a ground game, but mostly he just focused on not getting taken down, and his awkward stance and style would've led to some ass whippings against truly great strikers.

[Onetimeonly]

I think a particularly great boxer could've beaten Chuck in the Octagon or a Boxing ring. He was a stand up striker fighter anyway. He had a little bit of a ground game, but mostly he just focused on not getting taken down, and his awkward stance and style would've led to some ass whippings against truly great strikers.

He was a pretty accomplished wrestler. He just used it to keep on his feet. He was arrogant enough to want to stand though, I'll give you that.

The biggest wild card is leg kicks. Boxers weight distribution is terrible for them.

[mjaco]

It's true Liddell did have a weakness against fighters who had an decent skill level as strikers but fortunately for him there weren't too many of those around in the UFC back when he was champion. He was stopped twice by Quinton "Rampage" Jackson who, as far as MMA goes, was a decent boxer. Jackson also had a wrestling background which is one reason both he and Liddell could make their stand up games work in MMA. Liddell, though he didn't resort to takedowns too much, was a decent collegiate wrestler and it's simply too easy for a wrestler to take down a striker who doesn't know anything at all about wrestling. In an MMA fight, if Chuck were smart, he'd just drop low and dash in to tackle Tyson around the legs. From there it doesn't matter how explosive Iron Mike is, it's tough to knock guys out from flat on your back.

Streetfight, on the other hand, might be slightly different. People often confuse a streetfight with what they see in the UFC (or boxing for that matter). If Tyson starts biting ears off, it might be a little different outcome. For that matter, whoever is the first one to get their hands on a weapon is usually going to come out on top in a streetfight. But even in that venue, Liddell probably has more skills to turn to.

[gilgamesh]

I think a particularly great boxer could've beaten Chuck in the Octagon or a Boxing ring. He was a stand up striker fighter anyway. He had a little bit of a ground game, but mostly he just focused on not getting taken down, and his awkward stance and style would've led to some ass whippings against truly great strikers.

He was a pretty accomplished wrestler. He just used it to keep on his feet. He was arrogant enough to want to stand though, I'll give you that.

The biggest wild card is leg kicks. Boxers weight distribution is terrible for them.

Yeah, and I'm sure Liddell would be doing a lot more kicking if faced with a boxer.

[mjaco]

It's true boxers don't take leg kicks well but the problem with them is you usually need to land at least a few to have a severe effect. It's possible for a good puncher with strong legs to hold his ground, eat one leg kick, then fire off a counter punch while the kicker is retracting his leg. If Tyson, at least when he was in his prime, lands a clean punch on anyone, particularly with those little gloves, the other guy is going down.

But Liddell or any other decent MMA fighter isn't going to be dumb enough to waste time with kicks or punches against Tyson. The model for this is Randy Couture against James Toney. As soon as the fight started, Couture instantly shot a low single leg tackle, and that was it. He admitted after the fight he'd never use the low single leg against a good wrestler because it starts from further out and an experienced wrestler will see it coming. But against Toney he wasn't going to take the chance of getting within punching range the way you'd need to in order to execute a double leg tackle.

By the way, strikers can win in MMA, they just need to spend several years working on defensive movement, sprawling against leg tackles, and getting up quickly when they're taken down. But if you're a world class boxer, you might as well stick with boxing because you're not going to make any more money in MMA so there's no point to learning all that stuff.

[Onetimeonly]

It might only take one with your weight on your front foot. It only takes one punch from a pro boxer, ala Mercer/Sylvia. But watching Mercer and Botha get the shit kicked out of them kick boxing is more the norm.

[mjaco]

It might only take one with your weight on your front foot. It only takes one punch from a pro boxer, ala Mercer/Sylvia. But watching Mercer and Botha get the poo kicked out of them kick boxing is more the norm.

It's possible but unlikely. A kick that lands to the knee can cause severe damage but it has to land exactly right and you rarely see people stopped by a single leg kick that lands even directly on the knee. Plus, most leg kicks actually land on the thigh, or sometimes on the calf, which doesn't cause structural damage, it's just a pain thing. Granted, most boxers aren't used to that type of pain but someone with legs the size of Tyson could likely take at least one or two good roundhouse kicks to the thigh before being totally compromised. Now if the fight goes more than a minute and you eat half a dozen of them without any clue how to protect your leg, you're in trouble. But like I said, you don't want to be on your feet trading strikes with a young Tyson for even that long if you have a safer alternative.

[Onetimeonly]

Ok

[milpool]

A street fight? In a street fight anything goes, so for argument's sake if it was down an alley Tyson could crack him over the head with a dustbin lid or something...these debates are pretty pointless.

[joshj909]

Prime Vs prime and with a non-arrogant game plan, the athletes in these scenarios win in their sport 9/10.

Even strikers in MMA spend hours a week for years training their grappling. Boxers won't just be able to overcome that in a few months training.

[Thomastearns]

Let's not forget that Tyson was pretty good in street fights too.

That deadly combination of speed and power was probably the best ever seen. Even better than Dempsey. At his peak his carefully honed warrior like focus was still intact - and this is so often overlooked.

No wonder they still talk about him as if all the heavyweights who followed don't matter. Ask Anthony Joshua if you have any doubts.

[Bandog]

Ah, the age old boxer vs MMA argument. If the match was MMA rules, Liddell wins. If boxing rules, Tyson wins. Like Mayweather vs McGregor, each would no doubt win in their respective sports. The stupid people bet on McGregor to beat Mayweather in boxing.

MMA is much more like street fighting, where if you can't stand with them, take it to the ground. Former wrestlers have a big advantage there. Doesn't always work that way with a good boxer though. 9 out of 10 times in a street fight or MMA match I would bet on the guy that can do both. 9 times out of 10 I would bet on a boxer if it was boxing only.

Sincerely, Capton Obvious

[Paci]

Tyson would break him like Drago did Creed in real life.

Not seeing Liddell have a shot at all at taking down Tyson in my bathroom or any place.

[Onetimeonly]

Tyson would break him like Drago did Creed in real life.

Not seeing Liddell have a shot at all at taking down Tyson in my bathroom or any place.

Tyson is very humble regarding mma. He thinks Royce Gracie would have destroyed him.

[Paci]

Tyson would break him like Drago did Creed in real life.

Not seeing Liddell have a shot at all at taking down Tyson in my bathroom or any place.

Tyson is very humble regarding mma. He thinks Royce Gracie would have destroyed him.

Nah, he is just being nice to them.

[Onetimeonly]

Tyson is very humble regarding mma. He thinks Royce Gracie would have destroyed him.

Nah, he is just being nice to them.

Nah, he's right.

[Paci]

Nah, he is just being nice to them.

Nah, he's right.

Ohhh... I just check out the guy... damn.

[Onetimeonly]

Nah, he's right.

Ohhh... I just check out the guy... damn.

Without training for a few years prime Mike would win 1-3 out of 10 against mma fighters.

[Paci]

Ohhh... I just check out the guy... damn.

Without training for a few years prime Mike would win 1-3 out of 10 against mma fighters.

Well, they all have a plan untill they get hit. So I have no clue on what would happen if he fought the hall of fame-fighter out of the MMA. Might had a problem the first time out, but then again did we say that he wouldn't find away to evolve his own style to counter the MMA-guys after 2 or 3 fights? Or is that an aspect we leave out in this game of fantasy match ups?

[Onetimeonly]

Without training for a few years prime Mike would win 1-3 out of 10 against mma fighters.

Well, they all have a plan untill they get hit. So I have no clue on what would happen if he fought the hall of fame-fighter out of the MMA. Might had a problem the first time out, but then again did we say that he wouldn't find away to evolve his own style to counter the MMA-guys after 2 or 3 fights? Or is that an aspect we leave out in this game of fantasy match ups?

Do you think an mma fighter would adapt after getting knocked out by Tyson in a boxing ring? You just don't understand grappling. Someone like cormier would take Mike down inside 10 seconds and beat him up at least 99 times out of 100

[Paci]

Well, they all have a plan untill they get hit. So I have no clue on what would happen if he fought the hall of fame-fighter out of the MMA. Might had a problem the first time out, but then again did we say that he wouldn't find away to evolve his own style to counter the MMA-guys after 2 or 3 fights? Or is that an aspect we leave out in this game of fantasy match ups?

Do you think an mma fighter would adapt after getting knocked out by Tyson in a boxing ring? You just don't understand grappling. Someone like cormier would take Mike down inside 10 seconds and beat him up at least 99 times out of 100

If I don't understand, then I just learn it for fun. Or not going by some fanboyism, this is all speculation from our part.

Also, Tyson is a humble guy.

[Onetimeonly]

Do you think an mma fighter would adapt after getting knocked out by Tyson in a boxing ring? You just don't understand grappling. Someone like cormier would take Mike down inside 10 seconds and beat him up at least 99 times out of 100

If I don't understand, then I just learn it for fun. Or not going by some fanboyism, this is all speculation from our part.

Also, Tyson is a humble guy.

No, not speculation from me. By all means, have fun. Good you've never run into a wrestler.

[oogiebe]

If I don't understand, then I just learn it for fun. Or not going by some fanboyism, this is all speculation from our part.

Also, Tyson is a humble guy.

No, not speculation from me. By all means, have fun. Good you've never run into a wrestler.

Seriously, what does a boxer do when a wrestler shoots on him for the takedown? Lose.

[Onetimeonly]

No, not speculation from me. By all means, have fun. Good you've never run into a wrestler.

Seriously, what does a boxer do when a wrestler shoots on him for the takedown? Lose.

Land a punch or get his ass kicked. We're talking elite wrestlers too, even average guys like myself could easily take down guys with no experience.