British Hype Jobs...

[Pugilist-specialist]

Obvious one is big Aud. Getting a mega money deal and the big billing after turing pro. Still had a more than decent career looking back but could definitely fall in to the category as 'hype job' in hindsight.... I loved Ryan Rhodes when i was a boy. Watching him on all the Naz undercards. Everyone seemed to have him as a world beater but then he ran in to Otis Grant who knew a bit too much for him at that age/stage in his career. He went a bit off the rails after the that form wise but finished his career with a flourish. I enjoyed the latter stages of his career. Again, had a career to be proud of but never lived up to the hype.

They're the 2 off the top of my head. What others are there and is it fair to name the two i mentioned as hype jobs? I'm not sure!

Ryan wasn't a hype job. He should have achieved much more.

[Pugilist-specialist]

Remember Brendan used to absolutely rave about Daniel Teasdale from when he was a youngster, saying he was going to be the best to ever come out of the gym and would eclipse Naz‘s achievements? Poor kid only had 5 pro fights in the end, losing 1 along the way.

At the time he was winning national titles every year. After being at the gym from the age of 6 he left to turn pro

[Coco]

Remember Brendan used to absolutely rave about Daniel Teasdale from when he was a youngster, saying he was going to be the best to ever come out of the gym and would eclipse Naz‘s achievements? Poor kid only had 5 pro fights in the end, losing 1 along the way.

At the time he was winning national titles every year. After being at the gym from the age of 6 he left to turn pro

What did he end up doing in life?

[Coco]

I can't think of any hype jobs who couldn't fight at all. Most were good amateurs who couldn't make the transition or didn't fulfill their potential.

Maybe some of the small hall ticket sellers who get themselves a long unbeaten record against the usual suspects and then get an area title shot against someone who did the same thing!

It's a promoters job to hype up their fighters, Hearns usually did it to the max, but this generated interest and earned everyone a few quid.

[Pugilist-specialist]

At the time he was winning national titles every year. After being at the gym from the age of 6 he left to turn pro

What did he end up doing in life?

I think he was an office manager last I heard. He'd got lots of regrets but you can't turn the clock back.

[Coco]

What did he end up doing in life?

I think he was an office manager last I heard. He'd got lots of regrets but you can't turn the clock back.

He can't complain then, good to see he has done alright for himself

[Roco]

What about Paul Knights. I seem to remember sky trying to big him up and he was always on the undercard of big fights when he was up and coming, but didn't really achieve much in the end.

[Coco]

What about Paul Knights. I seem to remember sky trying to big him up and he was always on the undercard of big fights when he was up and coming, but didn't really achieve much in the end.

I boxed on the same bill as him once, another one Hearn was bigging up but was area level rather than domestic level.

[Syntax Error]

Yep, all the of these already mentioned below fit the bill :

Matthew Ellis
Roman Greenberg
Shafiq Khalid
Steve Barnes

Ellis and Greenberg could at least look special at times but should have stayed career amateurs.

Barnes and Khalid were absolutely awful (measured against the hype). Brendan Ingle was often guilty of wild hyperbole and also getting it completely wrong sometimes.

Good calls, Greenberg especially.

He was well hyped and big things were indeed expected of him.

[Pugilist-specialist]

Barnes and Khalid were absolutely awful (measured against the hype). Brendan Ingle was often guilty of wild hyperbole and also getting it completely wrong sometimes.

They weren't.
Barnes had two elbow operations and was done at 18. Khalid was in prison at 21.

[THEBUTCH]

Against the hype they received and how they performed as professional boxers, in my eyes, they were. I can think of loads and loads of boxers with "poor" records who were much better pros and barely got a word mentioned about them in comparison to those two.

[polecateddy]

Gilbert Eastman seemed a really handy welterweight, and got a bit of hype being Howard’s brother. But as soon as he lost to Kofi Jantuah he went up in weight and quickly lost his spark. The Ghanaian, Jantuah is long forgotten but was a decent fighter. I think if he’d been born British he’d have been treated like a real talent.

[Pugilist-specialist]

Against the hype they received and how they performed as professional boxers, in my eyes, they were. I can think of loads and loads of boxers with "poor" records who were much better pros and barely got a word mentioned about them in comparison to those two.

Khalid turned pro at 16 and Barnes at 17. Maybe that's why they got mentioned a lot?
Brendan hyped Naz who became our youngest world champion for decades.
He then hyped Ryan Rhodes who became the youngest British champion for decades.
He then hyped Khalid who trained with him for about 9 months. Do you think that he was perhaps trying to motivate him?

[Controversial]

Barnes and Khalid were absolutely awful (measured against the hype). Brendan Ingle was often guilty of wild hyperbole and also getting it completely wrong sometimes.

They weren't.
Barnes had two elbow operations and was done at 18. Khalid was in prison at 21.

From what I read about Khakid on other forums he was meant to be a right handful and mixed in dodgy circles, I don’t think Ingle could control him and he just went off the rails

[margaret thatcher]

The Ingle police are here

[paddy chavez]

Dodson ficked himself with being self managed it sounds good but why Will a promotor bother building you up know you'll leave .

Dodson was the b0llox!! During the Commonwealth Games Haider Ali was amazing but once the head gear came off Ali didn't know what to do...

Some one recently was talking about how good Dodson was it might of been Duke McKenzie, didn't he go to two Olympics one as Carew representing another country.

[bripez]

Yeah and from memory he was a light-middle but got offered an Olympic spot at welter and although he made the weight it had a negative impact on his performance

[Controversial]

Just goes to show being a good amateur doesn't mean you will be a good pro, and an average amateur can go on to be very successful as a pro. Listening to Froch on his podcast gives a good insight into how much of the sport is in your head, he was saying how scared he was when he was an amateur, you need good discipline and mental toughness and some people just don't have it no matter how talented they are.

[margaret thatcher]

Who are the average ams who were very successful pros, there've been some, but not many who were legit just like any average am in the gym. Like I've seen Josh Warrington called an average am but he made the ABA semis or finals, I think maybe twice, that's not really average though tbf doing as well as he's done in the pros is overachieving compared to that

I think the worst reported amateur record I've heard from a somewhat notable fighter is Librado Andrade being 2-14

[Deserter]

Who are the average ams who were very successful pros, there've been some, but not many who were legit just like any average am in the gym. Like I've seen Josh Warrington called an average am but he made the ABA semis or finals, I think maybe twice, that's not really average though tbf doing as well as he's done in the pros is overachieving compared to that

I think the worst reported amateur record I've heard from a somewhat notable fighter is Librado Andrade being 2-14

Johnny Nelson would be the first name on my lips - don't know what his overall am record was, but 99% sure he lost nearly all his first 10 fights and don't think he ever won a title in the ams.

[Controversial]

Who are the average ams who were very successful pros, there've been some, but not many who were legit just like any average am in the gym. Like I've seen Josh Warrington called an average am but he made the ABA semis or finals, I think maybe twice, that's not really average though tbf doing as well as he's done in the pros is overachieving compared to that

I think the worst reported amateur record I've heard from a somewhat notable fighter is Librado Andrade being 2-14

Off the top of my head Qawi didn’t have any amateur fights, Holmes had a pretty average amateur record. Marciano too.

[Controversial]

Who are the average ams who were very successful pros, there've been some, but not many who were legit just like any average am in the gym. Like I've seen Josh Warrington called an average am but he made the ABA semis or finals, I think maybe twice, that's not really average though tbf doing as well as he's done in the pros is overachieving compared to that

I think the worst reported amateur record I've heard from a somewhat notable fighter is Librado Andrade being 2-14

Johnny Nelson would be the first name on my lips - don't know what his overall am record was, but 99% sure he lost nearly all his first 10 fights and don't think he ever won a title in the ams.

Yep, from an interview with Nelson

“I had 13 amateur fights and won only three. I was terrible”

[Loftgroov]

Mitchell Smith.

Still hilarious watching the little gimp in that presser before his fight with George Jupp.

[banjo]

While not a hype job what was the story behind Robin Reid? These days when an Olympic medalist turns pro, it's a full on jizz fest but Reid just went under radar on undercards to big fights and only headlining small hall stuff and then they basically hung him out to dry sending him to Italy to face Nardiello in a fight he wasn't expected to win.

Other Olympians like Audley, Khan, Degale, Price and Joshua were hyped from the start.

[Twinkle Toes]

The trouble with Reid and Woodhall is they came along after the Benn/Eubank era and didn't generate the same sort of enthusiasm amongst the public.

The David Price hype was probably the worst of recent times. Even the forum was going into meltdown at how special he was.