Was/Is Wilder's career essentially a sham?

[candyslim]

Wilder was a sham, almost lost to Szpilka.
Fury is a sham his best win was over Wilder lol.
AJ is a sham got knocked down by ancient lesser Klitschko.
Lesser Klitschko was a sham got knocked out by lots of people.
Vitaly was a sham ducked Fury.
Lennox was a sham winning vs former lhws, unproven eastern europeans and a washed up Tyson doesnt mean that much.
Etc

That's very true. I've posted much the same on here myself. You can cr* p on literally any fighter in history if you want to be unreasonable. It's all about levels. I don't know many there are, must be quite a big number, but any boxer deserves respect A high level boxer deserves a high level of respect, no matter how many people are better than he is (or she is).

I think we shoulld never lose sight of that, even if we tend to disregard it in the interests of making our forum banter more controversial, interesting and enjoyable.

[margaret thatcher]

Just laughs bruh just laughs, I can picture how excited you must've been when you thought of those GGG - Wilder parrellels

GGG and Wilder both crushed lots of cans, that's for sure

[DrDuke]

To some extent it was. [Wilder] was given a title shot without really important wins.

Vanes Martirosyan, Kassim Ouma, Lajuan Simon, Makoto Fuchigami, Gabriel Rosado, Nobuhiro Ishida, Curtis Stevens, Osumanu Adama, Willie Monroe Jr., Dominic Wade etc.

What did these guys do to earn their title shots against GGG?

[Wilder] won the belt without any questions, but then he had a streak of cherry picking defences.

The same claim applies to many other world champions (as per my previous paragraph, coupled with the following):

For instance: apart from the IBF title, GGG won his WBC & WBA titles outside the ring (resulting in him having his championship status elevated three times between bouts, without having earned these titles inside the ring i.e. WBA interim -> regular -> super; WBC interim -> regular), but nobody (including the fans) questioned the governing bodies conduct or the legitimacy of Gennadiy's champion status.

After [Wilder] began to fight a worthy opposition, he started to have problems.

The same can be said of GGG's bouts against Daniel Jacobs, Canelo & Sergiy Derevyanchenko.

There are undeniable parallels, regardless the reasons for those similar situations, between your remarks about Deontay Wilder and the circumstances and career trajectories of many other world champions.

If you still feel that your criteria for criticising Deontay Wilder’s resume is legitimate, then you have to apply the same standards consistently to other champions whose careers followed a similar path, regardless the reasons.

Why the hell are talking about GGG here? It's a thread about Wilder and I was talking about him. Wipe your glasses, bruh.

[DrDuke]

Just laughs bruh just laughs, I can picture how excited you must've been when you thought of those GGG - Wilder parrellels

The guy seemed excited pretty much, considering the length of his block.

GGG and Wilder both crushed lots of cans, that's for sure

Yeah, they did.

[Enlightened-One]

Why the hell are talking about GGG here? It's a thread about Wilder and I was talking about him. Wipe your glasses, bruh.

Perhaps you need to read my post again.

The same criticisms of Deontay Wilder’s career also apply to other fighters… and I provided an example to illustrate the similarities.

And what I’m basically saying, is that we all have to apply our standards consistently, but people don’t do this do they?

Certain fighters seem immune from criticism, but others are ridiculed/lambasted, even though they both usually commit the same proverbial “crime”.

What you wrote about Deontay Wilder’s career flaws also applies to several fan favourites.

[DrDuke]

Why the hell are talking about GGG here? It's a thread about Wilder and I was talking about him. Wipe your glasses, bruh.

Perhaps you need to read my post again.

The same criticisms of Deontay Wilder’s career also apply to other fighters… and I provided an example to illustrate the similarities.

And what I’m basically saying, is that we all have to apply our standards consistently, but people don’t do this do they?

Certain fighters seem immune from criticism, but others are ridiculed/lambasted, even though they both usually commit the same proverbial “crime”.

What you wrote about Deontay Wilder’s career flaws also applies to several fan favourites.

Good job! Sit down, you've got A+ today. For tomorrow you gotta illustrate the differences of that example and analyze it.

[Finkel]

AJ named

Fury
Wilder
Usyk
Miller
Ortiz
Kownacki


That would basically be every major player in the division he hasn't fought. What should his top 6 be if Ortiz is just weak ass and too sh!tty to deserve making the cut? Who should take easy werk Lou's place bruh? I'd say the only one out of place there is Kow, I'm guessing the vid was made before his loss

Oh wow, my phone remembered my pw again. That was weird, couldn't post for the last few weeks.

Anyway, the interview premiered on April 19th, so it was likely after the Kownacki loss.

[pound per pound]

incorrect

Stiverne second fight and Brezeale were not rated in the top 10 at the time Wilder fought them

Based on my notes from The RING website at the time of those bouts, which I’ve posted numerous times to this forum over the years:

• Bermane Stiverne I (3rd)
• Bermane Stiverne II (7th)
• Luis Ortiz I (5th)
• Tyson Fury I (10th)
• Dominic Breazeale (7th)
• Luis Ortiz II (6th)
• Tyson Fury II (1st)

Unfortunately, 'Way Back Machine' no longer has The RING’s ratings for the relevant dates archived.

There is not way Stiverne was ranked in the second fight, he was out of the ring for a while, fat as a rat and old.

Breazeale was ranked, but not when Wilder fought him,

Ortiz was ranked, the trouble was he was 40 or older.

Wilder has two wins over opponents currently ranked in the top ten One was very over rated ( Who did Stiverene beat again to be raked 3rd? ? ) He was an alphabet ranked guy, and Wilders manager paid him the most money for a title shot. The gamble paid off, as Wilder picked days title opponents and made a lot of money.

Ortiz was a PED abuser 40 or older. That fight was close until the ending. Had Ortiz only been 35, he probably wins that one. This is Wilder's best win.

That's pretty thin resume. I wouldn't call Wilder a fraud, rather a very over rated guy who carefully picked his fights, and got exposed with a glass jaw by Fury, who's not really a big puncher. At this point, I think he's done.

[Paci]

Im still going by that he is focused and will get his sh*t toughter. All thanks to Fury whooping him from post to post. Their is great lessons in great failures.

I give him 3 to 1 to get whooped again. Cause, Fury is a beast on all levels. At least his loss will more glorious then his first. But, boxing is what it is. And only a dumbass would overlook Wilder. After the second Ortiz-fight and rewatching it. I saw that Wilder didn't care about winning rounds at all. That was pretty sneaky if you look close and seeing that Wilder is cool all night just looking at Ortiz, picking his spots and not going for anything else then getting a quicker knock out.