BoxRec Hall of Fame Ballot May 2020

[Ambling Alp II]

After a mere 8 years, it's time for another Hall of Fame Election. The deadline for submitting a ballot is Noon CDT on May 15, 2020. I will total the ballots after that.

A brief summary of the rules for this election:

-A voter can vote for up to 25 names. (If you vote for more than 25, your entire ballot doesn't count.)
-A fighter's last fight has to be before January 1, 2011 to be eligible.
-You can change your vote. Your last vote before the deadline will be the one counted.
-Candidates who are named on at least 75% of the ballots are elected. If no fighters receive enough votes, the fighter(s) with the most will be elected.

To vote, just list your selections on this thread. (Don't put them on the Hall of Fame Sticky or any other thread.)
It would be appreciated if you list your selections in alphabetical order.

It's a good idea to check every name that other voters have on their ballot. You may find someone that you overlooked and will want to change your ballot.

So far there had a been a good variety of fighters from different era's, weight classes, styles, etc. Hopefully that will continue.

Fighters already elected by Weight Class:
Heavyweight(18)- Ali, Louis, Marciano,Dempsey,Fitzsimmons,Johnson,Jeffries,Frazier,Liston,
Foreman,Sullivan,Corbett,Walcott,Jackson, Jeannette, Holmes, Schmeling, Wills

Lightheavyweight(18)-Charles,Moore,Langford,Foster,Tunney,Conn,Harold Johnson,Loughran,Spinks,Marshall,O'Brien,Rosenbloom,Bivins,Tommy Gibbons,Stribling,Lewis,Dillion, Delaney

Middleweight(19)-Greb,Monzon,Hagler,Ketchel,Walker,Burley,Cerdan,LaMotta,Tiger,Flowers,Steele,Mccoy,Gibbons
Benvenuti,Nonpariel Dempsey,Ryan, Darcy,Holman Williams,Zale,Giardello,Fullmer,McCoy

Jr Middleweight(1)-McCallum

Welterweight(15)-Robinson,Ross,Napoles,Griffith, Ray Leonard,Griffith,Benitez,Basilio,Gavilan,
McLarnin,Barbadoes Joe Walcott,Britton, Kid Lewis, Young Corbett III,Rodriguez

Jr Welterweight(4)-Loi, Locche,Cervantes,Berg

Lightweight(17)-Armstrong,Gans,Benny Leonard,Canzoneri,Ambers,Ike Williams,Carlos Ortiz,McFarland,Angott,Jack,Montgomery,Brown,Duran,Whitaker,Tendler,Welsh

Jr Lightweight(3)-Kid Chocolate,Elorde,Nelson

Featherweight(12)-Pep,Saddler,Sanchez,Arguello,Attell,McGovern,Miller,Kilbane,Pedroza,Driscoll,Dundee,Saldivar

Jr Featherweight(1)-Gomez

Bantamweight(7)-Jofre,Brown,Olivares,Zarate,Harada,Manuel Ortiz,Dixon

Super Flyweight(1)-Galaxy

Flyweight(8)-Wilde,Perez,Villa,LaBarba,Lynch,Barry,Midget Wolgast, Genaro

If you want to make a case for or against someone, feel free to do it on this thread.
To start things off, here is my ballot:

Fred Apostoli
Baby Arizmendi
Eddie Booker
Newsboy Brown
Miguel Canto
Michael Carbajal
Georges Carpentier
Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Young Griffo
Thomas Hearns
Pete Herman
Lennox Lewis
Sammy Mandell
Joey Maxim
Owen Moran
Battling Nelson
Mike O’Dowd
Billy Petrolle
Aaron Pryor
Dwight Qawi
Mike Tyson
Kid Williams
Ad Wolgast
Teddy Yarosz

[Seamus]

How long do they have to have been retired ?

[Ambling Alp II]

Last fight has to be before January 1, 2011.

[Scypion]

Here is my ballot:

Jimmy Ellis
Thomas Hearns
John Henry Lewis
Lennox Lewis
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Prior
Dwight Qawi
Mike Tyson
Rodrigo Valdez
Albert "Chalky" Wright

Thank you.

[giacomino]

Joe Calzaghe
Orlando Canizales
Miguel Canto
Michael Carbajal
Georges Carpentier'
Jung Koo Chang
Julio Cesar Chavez
Thomas Hearns
Oscar De La Hoya
Santos Laciar
Lennox Lewis
Joey Maxim
Battling Nelson
Eddie Perkins
Aaron Pryor
Gilberto Roman
Mike Tyson
Felix Trinidad
Dwight Qawi
Rodrigo Valdez
Ad Wolgast
Myung Woo Yuh
Albert "Chalky" Wright

[mjaco]

Glad to see you reviving this Alp.

Before I put up my own ballot, I'll stump for a couple of guys, one Alp already voted for - Pete "Kid" Herman, two time bantamweight champion in the 1910s and 1920s. He was always ranked among the top 5 bantamweights of all time on any of the old time lists of those things.

The other would be Pone Kingpetch, the first world champion from Thailand. He was the first fighter to win the world flyweight title 3 times (all three undisputed) back in the 1960s. And he has a record of 3-1 against fighters who are already in this hall of fame.

[mjaco]

Kind of disappointing that more people aren't contributing here so far. To generate a little discussion I'll toss out a name I'm currently on the fence over - Ricardo Lopez.

On the plus side, I believe he has the best career winning percentage of any world champion with more than 50 fights at 51-0-1 (Jim Barry is also undefeated with 60 wins but has 9 or 10 draws). He also made something like 21 straight title defenses.

On the negative side, he spent most of his career at strawweight/minimumweight which is kind of a bogus division, though he at least won 3 of the 4 titles there. He also briefly held one of the light flyweight titles. But years ago those divisions didn't exist and he would have had to compete at flyweight in a tougher talent pool as smaller flys of the past, like Jimmy Wilde, had to do. So he should probably be rated a little behind those guys.

On the other, other hand though, he really passed the eye test and just looked like a great fighter when you saw him fight.

Anyone feel free to offer opinions. I can be swayed either way on this one.

[Seamus]

Baby Arizmendi
Lou Brouillard
Frankie Burns
Joe Calzaghe
Miguel Canto
Julio Cesar Chavez
Lockport Jimmy Duffy
Young Griffo
Thomas Hearns
Pete Herman
Rocky Kansas
Cocoa Kid
Santos Laciar
Jimmy Leto
Ricardo Lopez
Sammy Mandell
Memphis Pal Moore
Kid Norfolk
Mike O'Dowd
Emile Pladner
Wesley Ramey
Veeraphol Sahaprom
Petey Sarron
Felix Trinidad
Teddy Yarosz

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

Baby Arizmendi
Eddie Booker
Newsboy Brown
Joe Calzaghe
Orlando Canizales

Miguel Canto
Michael Carbajal
Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Thomas Hearns

Pete Herman
Cocoa Kid
Lennox Lewis
Ricardo Lopez
Sammy Mandel

Battling Nelson
Mike O’Dowd
Billy Petrolle
Emile Pladner
Aaron Pryor

Felix Trinidad
Mike Tyson
Kid Williams
Ad Wolgast
Teddy Yarosz

[mjaco]

Newsboy Brown
Julio Cesar Chavez
Thomas Hearns
Pete "Kid" Herman
Pone Kingpetch
Lennox Lewis
Ricardo Lopez
Sammy Mandell
Aaron Pryor
Teddy Yarosz

[Ambling Alp II]

Just a reminder that the deadline for voting is in two days; Friday May 15 at Noon CDT.

[Scypion]

Here is my ballot:

Jimmy Ellis
Thomas Hearns
John Henry Lewis
Lennox Lewis
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Prior
Dwight Qawi
Mike Tyson
Rodrigo Valdez
Albert "Chalky" Wright;;;;

Thank you.

I would like to revise this list if nobody minds. Here is the revised list:

Eddie Booker
Don Curry
Jimmy Ellis
Thomas Hearns
Pone Kingpetch
Santos Laciar
John Henry Lerwis
Lennox Lewis
Marlon Starling
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Prior
Dwight Qawi
Mike Tyson
Rodrigo Valdez
Albert "Chalky" Wright

[Seamus]

JH Lewis already in.

[Scypion]

Sorry, didn't notice. Thanks.

[The Great John L]

Fred Apostoli
Miguel Canto
Georges Carpentier
Julio Cesar Chavez
Joe Choynski
Oscar DeLaHoya
Young Griffo
Thomas Hearns
Peter Jackson
Floyd Patterson
Eusebio Pedroza
Aaron Pryor
Dwight Qawi
Mike Tyson
Ad Wolgast

[Jaywheel]

Tommy Hearns
Mike Tyson
Oscar de la Hoya
Floyd Patterson
Lennox Lewis
Joe Calzaghe
JCC
Matthew Saad
Wilt Chamberlain (as it's the Boxrec Hall of Fame after all)

[Onetimeonly]

Apostoli
Tyson
Lennox Lewis
Arizmendi
Booker
Newsboy brown
Chavez
Dlh
Hearns
Maxim
Odowd
Calzaghe
Chang
Laciar
Trinidad
Pryor
McVey
Tiger jack fox
Saad
Harvey
Billy Graham
Herman
Qawi
Patterson

[margaret thatcher]

Here is my ballot:

Jimmy Ellis
Thomas Hearns
John Henry Lewis
Lennox Lewis
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Prior
Dwight Qawi
Mike Tyson
Rodrigo Valdez
Albert "Chalky" Wright;;;;

Thank you.

I would like to revise this list if nobody minds. Here is the revised list:

Eddie Booker
Don Curry
Jimmy Ellis
Thomas Hearns
Pone Kingpetch
Santos Laciar
John Henry Lerwis
Lennox Lewis
Marlon Starling
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Prior
Dwight Qawi
Mike Tyson
Rodrigo Valdez
Albert "Chalky" Wright

I'm curious, why did you decide to include guys like Starling and Curry but not, say, Chavez or De La Hoya?

[Scypion]

I would like to revise this list if nobody minds. Here is the revised list:

Eddie Booker
Don Curry
Jimmy Ellis
Thomas Hearns
Pone Kingpetch
Santos Laciar
John Henry Lerwis
Lennox Lewis
Marlon Starling
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Prior
Dwight Qawi
Mike Tyson
Rodrigo Valdez
Albert "Chalky" Wright

I'm curious, why did you decide to include guys like Starling and Curry but not, say, Chavez or De La Hoya?

There are probably plenty of boxers that belong in the HOF that have not been named. I named the ones I am most familiar with.

Have you made your picks?

[margaret thatcher]

Kenny Buchanan
Joe Calzaghe
Naseem Hamed
Lenny Lewis
Lloyd Honeyghan
Len Wickwar
Tommy Hearns
Oscar De La Hoya
Corrie Sanders
JC Chavez
Mike Tyson
Myung Woo Yuh
Ricardo Lopez
Dariusz M
Tony Danza
Santos Laciar
Aaron Pryor
Veeraphol Sahaprom
Jung Koo Chang
Slick Cleveland Williams
Joey Maxim

[Scypion]

Tony Danza, that's funny. Wish I thought of him.

[DrDuke]

Max Baer
James Braddock
Floyd Patterson
Ingemar Johansson
Ken Norton
Jimmy Young
Jerry Quarry
Lennox Lewis
Riddick Bowe
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Joey Maxim
Georges Carpentier
Joe Calzaghe
Thomas Hearns
Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Donald Curry
Lloyd Honeyghan
Rodrigo Valdez
Arturo Gatti
Kostya Tszyu
Aaron Pryor
Michael Carbajal

[Onetimeonly]

Gatti? Really? I could go several hundred deep before getting to him. Maybe thousands.

[DrDuke]

Gatti? Really? I could go several hundred deep before getting to him. Maybe thousands.

He obviously had his drawbacks and his resume isn't stellar, but still it's Hall of Fame, it's also about an impact on the sport. Gatti had quite an amount of performances, which made him really famous, win or lose.

[Onetimeonly]

His fights were watched by less people than saw bozaedwards. Cornelius was also on another level.