Tabiti Believes He Can Beat Andy Ruiz When He Moves To Heavyweight

[lazboy]

You're a little stud aren't you margo.

P.S. I hate you.

[margaret thatcher]

[gilgamesh]

I consider it impartial, because I'm considering the work they put in before stepping into the ring, and literally only in rounds when there's absolutely nothing else to separate them.

If Ruiz won the round by even 1 more good blow, then he won the round, and he did win several against Parker. I just didn't think he did enough to win the fight.

It's really only because of the scoring system being the way it is that we basically don't actually just score some rounds even. The official judges almost never score an even round so I don't either, but that's what some rounds really are.

It is not impartial. Rather than considering the rounds by themselves or the fight by itself, you are influenced by outside presumptions. Presumptions you don't have a full understanding of. You don't know how many hours of training Ruiz has put in. All you know is that he has eaten more calories than he has burnt. But you also don't know whether he feels better at the weight (mentally or physically) than he would at a lighter weight. It's too complicated and also unnecessary. You should be scoring the rounds as you see them.

Now I haven't seen the Ruiz Parker fight in some time, at the time I had Ruiz winning but it was a close fight.

What you are saying about scoring close rounds in terms of who is 'not the fattest' is completely unreasonable.

Maybe because of the flawed system of judging you brought up, where Judges generally don't score even rounds, is your reason but, as I said, I find it unreasonable.

You certainty don't have to follow me or listen to me, but because of this issue (scoring issue which we presently have), when I'm scoring round by round on this site, I score a lot of rounds even. I think that's fair. It's up to the fighter to separate the rounds not the judges. The fighters are not doing a good enough job to win a round if its not relatively clear.

There's almost always something that separates them. Even in an even round somebody works harder, and does more to try to take it.

[lazboy]

It is not impartial. Rather than considering the rounds by themselves or the fight by itself, you are influenced by outside presumptions. Presumptions you don't have a full understanding of. You don't know how many hours of training Ruiz has put in. All you know is that he has eaten more calories than he has burnt. But you also don't know whether he feels better at the weight (mentally or physically) than he would at a lighter weight. It's too complicated and also unnecessary. You should be scoring the rounds as you see them.

Now I haven't seen the Ruiz Parker fight in some time, at the time I had Ruiz winning but it was a close fight.

What you are saying about scoring close rounds in terms of who is 'not the fattest' is completely unreasonable.

Maybe because of the flawed system of judging you brought up, where Judges generally don't score even rounds, is your reason but, as I said, I find it unreasonable.

You certainty don't have to follow me or listen to me, but because of this issue (scoring issue which we presently have), when I'm scoring round by round on this site, I score a lot of rounds even. I think that's fair. It's up to the fighter to separate the rounds not the judges. The fighters are not doing a good enough job to win a round if its not relatively clear.

There's almost always something that separates them. Even in an even round somebody works harder, and does more to try to take it.

Complete s#%t. There are plenty of close rounds in boxing. I even disagree about your idea that the round should go to who works harder. Generally, I award the round to who does the most damage. Isn’t that what pro boxing is about? It’s a combat sport. Rounds and rules were put in later, for safety. But it’s really a fight. Getting a KO is the ultimate success in the sport.

[DrDuke]

Tabiti is quite slick, he can do it. But if Ruiz is prepared enough to provide more effort than in his Joshua bout, he would have big chances to KO Tabiti.

[Onetimeonly]

I think dorticos hits significantly harder than Ruiz.

[gilgamesh]

There's almost always something that separates them. Even in an even round somebody works harder, and does more to try to take it.

Complete s#%t. There are plenty of close rounds in boxing. I even disagree about your idea that the round should go to who works harder. Generally, I award the round to who does the most damage. Isn’t that what pro boxing is about? It’s a combat sport. Rounds and rules were put in later, for safety. But it’s really a fight. Getting a KO is the ultimate success in the sport.

I see somebody can't wrap their head around the concept of "When all else is even"

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Ruiz has skills but hes a one hit wonder. The parker fight was there for the taking as was the joshua rematch but he was content to go through the motions

That said tabiti is a zero hit wonder

[gilgamesh]

Ruiz has skills but hes a one hit wonder. The parker fight was there for the taking as was the joshua rematch but he was content to go through the motions

That said tabiti is a zero hit wonder

I don't think the Joshua rematch was there for the taking, but he did have a moment where he kinda buzzed him again, and just didn't press the advantage.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

You are correct i meant had he trained properly it was there to win

[lazboy]

Complete s#%t. There are plenty of close rounds in boxing. I even disagree about your idea that the round should go to who works harder. Generally, I award the round to who does the most damage. Isn’t that what pro boxing is about? It’s a combat sport. Rounds and rules were put in later, for safety. But it’s really a fight. Getting a KO is the ultimate success in the sport.

I see somebody can't wrap their head around the concept of "When all else is even"

Ok.

[margaret thatcher]

Complete s#%t. There are plenty of close rounds in boxing. I even disagree about your idea that the round should go to who works harder. Generally, I award the round to who does the most damage. Isn’t that what pro boxing is about? It’s a combat sport. Rounds and rules were put in later, for safety. But it’s really a fight. Getting a KO is the ultimate success in the sport.

I see somebody can't wrap their head around the concept of "When all else is even"

When all in the ring is even, write down dat 10-10 bruh, don't turn into a man body judge

[Onetimeonly]

When I liked to score fights I would always do it twice. Now I'll just keep a tab on rounds that anyone scoring them differently is blind or corrupt. There are less fights with 7 clear RDS for a fighter than there are.

We also have to take into consideration that the judges have a much worse view than we do at home and it's different for all of them. Even on TV that UFC war last night I thought it was a right hand that finished the fight and it was an elbow.

Fights like fury/wilder 1 are the perfect example. Neither was doing shit but I know I, and the majority, felt like fury was ahead. But the robbery shit was crazy. In a round where fury lands 5 or 6 jabs and, depending on the view for the judge, fury deftly slips a right hand but head movement from 10 feet above where your sitting looks like his head snapping back.

Don't get me wrong, boxing is corrupt as fornicate but if you gave the judges a fighting chance it would be easier to weed out the scum. There's always been shit judging and always will be. When I was growing up the 'draws' got robbed too.

[gilgamesh]

I see somebody can't wrap their head around the concept of "When all else is even"

When all in the ring is even, write down dat 10-10 bruh, don't turn into a man body judge

To me it's a symbol that you've worked harder at your craft, and you deserve the win more because your conditioning shows it.

[margaret thatcher]

When all in the ring is even, write down dat 10-10 bruh, don't turn into a man body judge

To me it's a symbol that you've worked harder at your craft, and you deserve the win more because your conditioning shows it.

Hmm and yet Joe added more poundage for that fight than Andy did

To me it seems pretty irrelvant anyway, the fight should be judged entirely on the action in the ring

[gilgamesh]

To me it's a symbol that you've worked harder at your craft, and you deserve the win more because your conditioning shows it.

Hmm and yet Joe added more poundage for that fight than Andy did

To me it seems pretty irrelvant anyway, the fight should be judged entirely on the action in the ring

Almost always there's something in the ring to determine a winner in the round. Truly even rounds aren't all that common.

[margaret thatcher]

Sure, but if there is then judging whose bod looks better is a ghey way to go

[gilgamesh]

Sure, but if there is then judging whose bod looks better is a ghey way to go

99% of the time a Boxing match is gonna be competed between 2 guys who are in shape, and look like athletes.

[margaret thatcher]

Ya, but if it isn't, and they are even in the action, doing a body judging contest to score a winner is still ghey bruh, just throw down that 10-10

[lazboy]

Hmm and yet Joe added more poundage for that fight than Andy did

To me it seems pretty irrelvant anyway, the fight should be judged entirely on the action in the ring

Almost always there's something in the ring to determine a winner in the round. Truly even rounds aren't all that common.

That's complete arrogant crap from you. You have the special eye and special mind to see who the true winner of the round is. Laughable.

There's plenty of controversial fights and rounds. In particular, volume v quality and power is often difficult to determine. But according to you it's easy. It's who works harder or who looks better. LOL!

[gilgamesh]

Almost always there's something in the ring to determine a winner in the round. Truly even rounds aren't all that common.

That's complete arrogant crap from you. You have the special eye and special mind to see who the true winner of the round is. Laughable.

There's plenty of controversial fights and rounds. In particular, volume v quality and power is often difficult to determine. But according to you it's easy. It's who works harder or who looks better. LOL!

Nah I always put an asterix next to a round that could go either way as an acknowledgment that it could indeed go either way.

I don't act as if my score on a round such as that is the only card that could possibly be right.

[lazboy]

That's complete arrogant crap from you. You have the special eye and special mind to see who the true winner of the round is. Laughable.

There's plenty of controversial fights and rounds. In particular, volume v quality and power is often difficult to determine. But according to you it's easy. It's who works harder or who looks better. LOL!

Nah I always put an asterix next to a round that could go either way as an acknowledgment that it could indeed go either way.

I don't act as if my score on a round such as that is the only card that could possibly be right.

So what are you saying?

First it was that you don't score even rounds and when they are even, you award the round to the better physically looking fighter.
Then you said, even rounds are not common as you can almost always determine a winner.
Now you are saying that you put an asterix over even rounds.

So are we back to, you dont score even rounds but award the better physically looking fighter the round - based on that? But with an asterix. And do you also still believe there are not many even rounds in boxing?

Personally, I would take Margo's advice and just call it even, getting rid of this asterix nonsense. A 10-10 round is allowed, albeit uncommon in judging. Putting an asterix however is not allowed.

[gilgamesh]

Nah I always put an asterix next to a round that could go either way as an acknowledgment that it could indeed go either way.

I don't act as if my score on a round such as that is the only card that could possibly be right.

So what are you saying?

First it was that you don't score even rounds and when they are even, you award the round to the better physically looking fighter.
Then you said, even rounds are not common as you can almost always determine a winner.
Now you are saying that you put an asterix over even rounds.

So are we back to, you dont score even rounds but award the better physically looking fighter the round - based on that? But with an asterix. And do you also still believe there are not many even rounds in boxing?

Personally, I would take Margo's advice and just call it even, getting rid of this asterix nonsense. A 10-10 round is allowed, albeit uncommon in judging. Putting an asterix however is not allowed.

Well considering my scorecard as well as anybody that's not an official judge is unofficial. An asterix is an acknowledgement that the official judges could reasonably make a case to see it a different way. Sort of a way to mentally prepare yourself for possible scorecards at the end of the bout.

As for everything else, I feel like I've been clear, and if I haven't tell me specifically what part is troubling you, and I'll tell you a little better if I can.

[lazboy]

No thanks, I've heard enough.

[Heretic]

What people are missing here is that the body fat % does not always correlate with the conditioning of the person.

Fighter can have excellent stamina even when he is carrying extra weight around.

Who has the better stamina AJ or Ruiz? Which one could go on longer in constant firefight? Not that easy to answer.

Also how that weight affects the boxers performance is not that simple to say. How it affects punching power and punch resistance? My bet would be on it increasing both.

If Ruiz was skinny dude weighting 190 pounds could he have ever beaten AJ?

There are weight classes for reason in boxing.

Also if you are watching boxing to see those magnificent naked man bodies then there is lots of that in the internet. You just need to embrace your true identity