Tyson did look very good, but I don't look bad hitting pads or a bag myself.
The problem starts with return fire. Kind of like the difference between throwing a football vs throwing one when people are trying to sack you.
Tyson did look very good, but I don't look bad hitting pads or a bag myself.
True story. When I was working out a gym when I was about 17, I was pounding the f*ck outta the bag. Combinations. Heavy shots. The whole nine.
It would most likely be a case of who lands first or who collapses first. Tyson is 53 and Holyfield is 57. They will still carry some of their power but their chin and stamina will be gone.gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 May 2020, 11:51Holyfield would still kick the sh*t out of Tyson.joshj909 wrote: ↑09 May 2020, 11:33
He's an active athlete, and although he's not decent he's "remotely decent".
My statement was more to suggest that he can beat another retired top level Pro in theory such has Holyfield, or he can beat some current pros who are terrible such as those on the domestic scene with several losses.
It's great to do in front of chicks.gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 May 2020, 12:06True story. When I was working out a gym when I was about 17, I was pounding the f*ck outta the bag. Combinations. Heavy shots. The whole nine.
Some little black kids walked up to me, and said "Damn. You must be as good as Tyson huh?"
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To which I immediately just laughed and said "Oh, no no absolutely not. I can only dream of ever being that good"
Point is. Some people can be easily impressed by hitting a bag I guess.
To paraphrase Chong Li in Bloodsport "Very good, but Bag. No hit back!"
Holyfield will always be the mentally tougher of the two, willing to go through more to get the win.
I actually never minded getting hit too much, but I was always trying to improve my defense.Tony1244 wrote: ↑09 May 2020, 12:24It's great to do in front of chicks.gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 May 2020, 12:06
True story. When I was working out a gym when I was about 17, I was pounding the f*ck outta the bag. Combinations. Heavy shots. The whole nine.
Some little black kids walked up to me, and said "Damn. You must be as good as Tyson huh?"
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To which I immediately just laughed and said "Oh, no no absolutely not. I can only dream of ever being that good"
Point is. Some people can be easily impressed by hitting a bag I guess.
To paraphrase Chong Li in Bloodsport "Very good, but Bag. No hit back!"![]()
If I may say so I do hit pretty hard and have gotten comments like that too. My problems would be I'm as easy to hit as a wall and I enjoy getting hit about as much as I'd enjoy being inserted into a meat grinder.
I would agree with that but age conquers all eventually. An example of this is the final fight of the Liddell v Ortiz trilogy in MMA. Ortiz was a good fighter but Liddell had his number and was a much tougher guy in their fighting days. When they fought recently, Liddell at 50 had zero punch resistance. Guys in their 50s fighting becomes unpredictable because their bodies are much more frail.
He hasn't fought in 5 years. Believe me, I'm not some he's still got Tyson fan, but this doesn't seem like an unclimbable mountain. Mike could never beat holyfield.joshj909 wrote: ↑09 May 2020, 11:33He's an active athlete, and although he's not decent he's "remotely decent".
My statement was more to suggest that he can beat another retired top level Pro in theory such has Holyfield, or he can beat some current pros who are terrible such as those on the domestic scene with several losses.
Holyfield would beat Tyson if he was 62 and Tyson was 58.joshj909 wrote: ↑09 May 2020, 13:00I would agree with that but age conquers all eventually. An example of this is the final fight of the Liddell v Ortiz trilogy in MMA. Ortiz was a good fighter but Liddell had his number and was a much tougher guy in their fighting days. When they fought recently, Liddell at 50 had zero punch resistance. Guys in their 50s fighting becomes unpredictable because their bodies are much more frail.
If the rumored BKFC offer of 20 Million is legit, and they're willing to dig up an absolute bum for him to fight, I'd do that if I were him, but only if they really scrape the bottom of the barrel.

I just want to say on or about April 29th in this thread I said Tyson can get 20m for an exhibition I was mocked. I get it it was in good fun. Dollars to donuts Tyson barring a fubar in this event will be fighting Fury or some alphabet champion next year in the middle east for a payday that would even make Mayweather jealous. Tyson is booked for tnt wrestling. Some believe in fate, some believe in coincidence but Google the parent company of tnt. Just saying hbo max is launching next week or so, coincidence, fate or maybe a firework to the moon is in play.gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 May 2020, 13:29If the rumored BKFC offer of 20 Million is legit, and they're willing to dig up an absolute bum for him to fight, I'd do that if I were him, but only if they really scrape the bottom of the barrel.
When they said Tyson vs Briggs I thought "Ahh fornicate that. It's gotta be a softer guy than Briggs"![]()
Foreman is like 71 years old. Give me a break.goose 5 wrote: ↑14 May 2020, 13:51 An "exhibition" is a broad term. Foreman destroyed guys in exhibitions and so did Joe Louis and Dempsey. Or, they can feature punches that are more like taps. A freak fest against Foreman would break the bank on the curiosity factor, a ppv killing. For the record, if they were doing serious punching, Foreman stops him and I'd bet on it.
"Does anybody know what time it is? Does anybody really care?"oogiebe wrote: ↑14 May 2020, 14:10Foreman is like 71 years old. Give me a break.goose 5 wrote: ↑14 May 2020, 13:51 An "exhibition" is a broad term. Foreman destroyed guys in exhibitions and so did Joe Louis and Dempsey. Or, they can feature punches that are more like taps. A freak fest against Foreman would break the bank on the curiosity factor, a ppv killing. For the record, if they were doing serious punching, Foreman stops him and I'd bet on it.
Hoyfield was arguably past-his-prime 25 years ago.
I always predicted they'd have a third fight, but I never imagined it would take place when one was on the doorstep of 60 & the other was in his mid 50s.AntonioMartin wrote: ↑17 May 2020, 05:20 I heard Tyson and Holyfield are hoping to do Holyfield-Tyson 3..