Joe Joyce v Daniel Dubois

[Evander]

Joyce v Dubois scheduled for July.
Wide age difference between them.
More of a crossroads fight for Joyce based of age, a springboard bout for the winner to bigger things for sure.

Who wins ?

[DrDuke]

A one of the today's best matchups. Will it really happen in July and will other fights finally take place about this time at least - that's the question. Anyway, I gotta favor Dubois over Joyce because of his explosiveness and superior speed.

[lazboy]

I don't think this is any easy fight for either, but I favour Dubois - he is the more skilled fighter.

Joyce is a big unit with heart and a chin. His speed is a noticeable shortcoming but it seems to be mildly improving...he didn't look 'as slow' v Jennings. For me, his biggest weakness is his upright stiff stance and lack of head-movement. He's open and DDD will land on him. The only way I see him winning is by soaking up a fair amount of punishment whereby DDD gasses out or otherwise becomes dissuaded.

I feel that Dubois could have an easier route to victory if he uses his impressive jab. Who knows how he'll respond to Joyce's pressure though but the jab is a mighty weapon. We know Joyce will bring the pressure as pressure is his only gear.


I'm hyped for this fight.

[Paci]

I do think Joyce, but no walk in the park for him.

[gregregegg]

Interesting to see what Dubois will look like up against someone bigger than him. I have zero idea how this fight will go.
Not only can i not guess who will win, i cant even guess who will push forwards more.
Not only can i not guess who will push fowards i dont know who i think should. i change my mind from, "joyce should try bully DDD early and put him on the back foot" to "Joyce should box safe use his cardio and take DDD places he has never been"

Thats why i am realy excited for this whenever it happens. its one of the most unknown strategic battles in a long time. And it should be slow enough i can have a few beers and still keep up.

[Mintman]

Really hope this happens in July.
Joyce has power and could catch DDD cold if the lad aint careful. The longer this goes the more I favour Dubois as Joe is kinda flatfooted

[joshj909]

Depends how Joyce changes his approach since the Jennings fight. I had him losing that one, Jennings looked significantly faster and made the most of that. Does Dubois have the know-how and ability to take it to Joyce in the same way? I guess we'll see, but I don't think this will happen in July. Warren wants his fights with crowds and that might seem to early for me.

[PLAYER-HATER]

Joyce because of his slow-motion style has become one of the most underrated fighters in division if not the most.

He has rich amateur career (beating Dychko, Yoka, Hrgovic, Majidov, Demirezen, demolishing Vykhryst and Clarke),

Only 10 Pro fights but was quite impressive in his wins. I would say it was more dominant than pleasant to watch (Jennings, Ustinov, Stiverne, Kiladze)

He outclassed Kiladze the way Ajagbe could not
He put Ustinov down way faster than Hunter
He outboxed Jennings pretty easily, more dominant than Rivas


Surely can be hit because his style is risky and Sergey Kuzmin KOed him couple years ago but Daniel Dubois is only 60/40 favourite, not 80/20 as many suggest.

If Dubois will have trouble breaking Joyce's offense with his very good jab - then finally we will se how good is his chin because Joyce can hit strong and can hit precisely

[revpickles]

Great fight, Joes tough as nails, Danny coming up, I'm gonna back the young lion by UD

[Thomastearns]

Interesting to see what Dubois will look like up against someone bigger than him. I have zero idea how this fight will go.
Not only can i not guess who will win, i cant even guess who will push forwards more.
Not only can i not guess who will push fowards i dont know who i think should. i change my mind from, "joyce should try bully DDD early and put him on the back foot" to "Joyce should box safe use his cardio and take DDD places he has never been"

Thats why i am realy excited for this whenever it happens. its one of the most unknown strategic battles in a long time. And it should be slow enough i can have a few beers and still keep up.

Yes, this is a real crunch fight, totally counter to the modern day strategy of carefully matchmaking your way to the top as Joyce is nowhere near finished, or even past his best.

The Dubois camp must be confident to take this - assuming it goes ahead. DD already faced the tricky Gorman and now Joe Joyce - confidence must be soaring.

There's also the issue of the insufferable traffic jam at the top of the division. Things were bad enough before AJs hiccup with Ruiz and Corona, but now it ridiculous. I guess that Daniel Dubois doesn't fancy waiting around forever, and Joe Joyce doesn't even have that option.

I like both fighters so I'm hoping for a hard fought 12 rounder that brings great credit and attention to both men. The winner could then go on to face Whyte whilst the big three get themselves finally sorted.

That should open up things nicely for both the fans heavyweight boxing and all the contenders currently shut out - looking in.

[joshj909]

Joyce because of his slow-motion style has become one of the most underrated fighters in division if not the most.

He has rich amateur career (beating Dychko, Yoka, Hrgovic, Majidov, Demirezen, demolishing Vykhryst and Clarke),

Only 10 Pro fights but was quite impressive in his wins. I would say it was more dominant than pleasant to watch (Jennings, Ustinov, Stiverne, Kiladze)

He outclassed Kiladze the way Ajagbe could not
He put Ustinov down way faster than Hunter
He outboxed Jennings pretty easily, more dominant than Rivas


Surely can be hit because his style is risky and Sergey Kuzmin KOed him couple years ago but Daniel Dubois is only 60/40 favourite, not 80/20 as many suggest.

If Dubois will have trouble breaking Joyce's offense with his very good jab - then finally we will se how good is his chin because Joyce can hit strong and can hit precisely

Did you even watch the Joyce Vs Jennings fight?

[Verdi]

Joyce can go the distance and can take heavy blows and keep on coming forward.

Dubois looks good early on, taking the first few rounds with ease. But then he gasses and starts to become disheartened, as his best shots are having little success.

I've got Joyce by late stoppage. However if DDD does a number on Joyce, I'll certainly hop aboard the hype train.

[goose 5]

I like Dubois to win, a knockout wouldn't surprise me.

[Scouse Fight Fan]

Was always going to be one worth waiting for this. Was one of the great series of upcoming heavyweight British fights before coronavirus took a hold.

Nice to see it's been rescheduled. Props to the 2 of them for taking it on. 2 unbeaten records on the line. Nice to see in this current age where protecting the '0' seems to hold so much weight normally. Hopefully there'll be more fighters in the future willing to match up like this.

[margaret thatcher]

Dub batters him

[TheGingerBomber]

It’s all about Dubois and his team. He needs it drilled in him about how his jab, singled, doubled, to body and head, should reach the target more often than not. Practice footwork, jabbing on the back foot and front foot. Moving around the slower Joyce, stepping to the side to throw big hooks to the body which should be even easier to hit. This can set him up for the future against bigger, slower guys. There’s a risk if he loses focus he gets chinned, so box safe until the opportunity arises.

Joyce should be on the front foot but with the long one/two.

[margaret thatcher]

Not sure it happens in July either btw. Warren says they wouldnt do it behind doors and Joyce is talking interim fight

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

If joyce has a great chin it could be i interesting

[candyslim]

Joyce because of his slow-motion style has become one of the most underrated fighters in division if not the most.

He has rich amateur career (beating Dychko, Yoka, Hrgovic, Majidov, Demirezen, demolishing Vykhryst and Clarke),

Only 10 Pro fights but was quite impressive in his wins. I would say it was more dominant than pleasant to watch (Jennings, Ustinov, Stiverne, Kiladze)

He outclassed Kiladze the way Ajagbe could not
He put Ustinov down way faster than Hunter
He outboxed Jennings pretty easily, more dominant than Rivas


Surely can be hit because his style is risky and Sergey Kuzmin KOed him couple years ago but Daniel Dubois is only 60/40 favourite, not 80/20 as many suggest.

If Dubois will have trouble breaking Joyce's offense with his very good jab - then finally we will se how good is his chin because Joyce can hit strong and can hit precisely

This is just it. Joyce has consistently beaten the cream of the world's amateur heavyweights. People on here deride him for lack of hand-speed, lack of agility, poor defence but he must be doing something right. Dubois is much easier to recognize his assets. I have very high hopes for Dubois in the future, but in this pick'em fight I'm edging toward Joyce, why is that?

I think part of it is that it irks me how people who ought to know better, i.e. hard-core Boxing fans consistently disregard him, I know that shouldn't factor into my evaluation of who's going to win, that's not logical.

A better reason is that Joe is no stranger to face-offs with top boxers with intimidating reputations. He usually prevails in these encounters.

I think the main reason for me is Dubois wants to win but Joyce needs to win. Provided it isn't a total beatdown of the type DDD handed to Gorman, then even losing is all good experience for Daniel, and will improve him in the long term. If Joe loses he's on the road to nowhere and at 34 or will it be 35, he might need to be thinking about alternative lines of employment.

[Cyclops]

This is just it. Joyce has consistently beaten the cream of the world's amateur heavyweights. People on here deride him for lack of hand-speed, lack of agility, poor defence but he must be doing something right. Dubois is much easier to recognize his assets. I have very high hopes for Dubois in the future, but in this pick'em fight I'm edging toward Joyce, why is that?

I think part of it is that it irks me how people who ought to know better, i.e. hard-core Boxing fans consistently disregard him, I know that shouldn't factor into my evaluation of who's going to win, that's not logical.

A better reason is that Joe is no stranger to face-offs with top boxers with intimidating reputations. He usually prevails in these encounters.

I think the main reason for me is Dubois wants to win but Joyce needs to win. Provided it isn't a total beatdown of the type DDD handed to Gorman, then even losing is all good experience for Daniel, and will improve him in the long term. If Joe loses he's on the road to nowhere and at 34 or will it be 35, he might need to be thinking about alternative lines of employment.

This is my logic too. He struggled with Jennings but I think he went in there thinking he was going to just KO him and got hit with a nasty body shot in the 1st or 2nd and had to drop his output because you could see he didn't want to get hit there again. Jennings is a decent gatekeeper type. I think my faith in Joyce comes from watching him as an amateur. In a just world he would be an Olympic gold medalist. Instead, that French wanker Yoka was gifted it. Like you said, it's just logical. In my eyes he was the best in the world as an amateur in his weight class, he's shared the ring with the absolute best in sparring (Fury, AJ, etc). Joyce has all the pedigree- It pisses me off everyone slagging him off- but people practically ejaculate on the spot when they see highlight reels of a big juiced up black bloke knocking overmatched bums, so I understand why people would pick Dubois.

Ladbrokes refunded my bet ages ago, and I can't see them taking July now. There's not enough time to train properly for a fight that important to both lads.

I emailed about a refund for my tickets but I guess if it happens I'm going.

[Evander]

Numbers look good for Dubois.
Did Dubois sign with Haymon ?
Joyce will have at least 10 pounds advantage on him, probably more come fight time.

[snake33]

Joyce is 34 and only 10 and 0 - KO'd twice as an am.
Dubois is younger, faster, fresher with four more fights.
Dubois wins and it probably won't go the distance.

[margaret thatcher]

Dub has 4 more fights but not sure that matters at all, Joyce clearly has had stronger pro opposition and he's been 12 before, also way more experienced as an amateur with tons of elite international opposition

That said, when they step in the ring it'll come down to who is better right now, and that's already Dubstep. Only way I can see Joyce winning is if he shows a hellacious chin and Dubstep punches himself out or breaks both his hands on Joe's head

[candyslim]

This is just it. Joyce has consistently beaten the cream of the world's amateur heavyweights. People on here deride him for lack of hand-speed, lack of agility, poor defence but he must be doing something right. Dubois is much easier to recognize his assets. I have very high hopes for Dubois in the future, but in this pick'em fight I'm edging toward Joyce, why is that?

I think part of it is that it irks me how people who ought to know better, i.e. hard-core Boxing fans consistently disregard him, I know that shouldn't factor into my evaluation of who's going to win, that's not logical.

A better reason is that Joe is no stranger to face-offs with top boxers with intimidating reputations. He usually prevails in these encounters.

I think the main reason for me is Dubois wants to win but Joyce needs to win. Provided it isn't a total beatdown of the type DDD handed to Gorman, then even losing is all good experience for Daniel, and will improve him in the long term. If Joe loses he's on the road to nowhere and at 34 or will it be 35, he might need to be thinking about alternative lines of employment.

This is my logic too. He struggled with Jennings but I think he went in there thinking he was going to just KO him and got hit with a nasty body shot in the 1st or 2nd and had to drop his output because you could see he didn't want to get hit there again. Jennings is a decent gatekeeper type. I think my faith in Joyce comes from watching him as an amateur. In a just world he would be an Olympic gold medalist. Instead, that French wanker Yoka was gifted it. Like you said, it's just logical. In my eyes he was the best in the world as an amateur in his weight class, he's shared the ring with the absolute best in sparring (Fury, AJ, etc). Joyce has all the pedigree- It pisses me off everyone slagging him off- but people practically ejaculate on the spot when they see highlight reels of a big juiced up black bloke knocking overmatched bums, so I understand why people would pick Dubois.

Ladbrokes refunded my bet ages ago, and I can't see them taking July now. There's not enough time to train properly for a fight that important to both lads.

I emailed about a refund for my tickets but I guess if it happens I'm going.

After that crushing loss to Luis Ortiz, Bryant Jennings stock absolutely plummeted. Ortiz's whole reputation for being the bogeyman of the division is built pretty much on that victory alone. It was very impressive but more so at the time than in retrospect.

I think now it's swung the other way and there is a tendency to write off Jennings, but while Jennings is never going to seriously threaten the division's elite (too small and mentally not tough enough) he is still a good fighter and not far short of top twenty. Any kind of win over Bryant Jennings is a good win, very few fighters will achieve that without a struggle.