Greatest fighters without longevity

[SwayzeWithNoShirtOn]

Another one: Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor

From 1976 to 1983, he was sensational. AFTER 1983? Say no to drugs, Aaron!

That's 7 years. That's a long time in Boxing.

[SwayzeWithNoShirtOn]

Terrence McGovern.

His peak was probably only 3 years. But he proved the best fighter across 3 divisions in that time, with multiple title defenses.

[elmersalsa]

Another one: Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor

From 1976 to 1983, he was sensational. AFTER 1983? Say no to drugs, Aaron!

That's 7 years. That's a long time in Boxing.

No, is not. He only had 3 years of prime

[Onetimeonly]

You're so easily confused. 7 years being great is a long time.

[oogiebe]

That's 7 years. That's a long time in Boxing.

No, is not. He only had 3 years of prime

So you say he was sensational from '76-'83 but only prime for three years?

[giacomino]

Richie Sandoval looked like a Hall of Famer when he beat Jeff Chandler like a redheaded stepchild, but then Gaby Canizales obliterated him. Lloyd Honeyghan looked unstoppable until Marlon Starling laid a beatdown on him. Jimmy Paul appeared to be headed for stardom until the less talented Greg Haugen imposed his will on him and it was downhill for JP after that.

Good calls on Sandoval and Paul. Both looked like longtime champions, until they didn’t. Gaby was a blaster so you were always in danger of getting KO’d by him (unlike his slick-boxing brother Orlando) but I was more shocked by Haugen beating Paul. I kept waiting for Haugen to get dominated in that fight,
Another from that era: Hilmer Kenty. Won the belt, defended three times against untaxing competition for a year and then got mugged by O’Grady. He was never the same

[elmersalsa]

No, is not. He only had 3 years of prime

So you say he was sensational from '76-'83 but only prime for three years?

Yes. Only prime 3 years (1980-83). After that, drugs took over and he was never the same.

[elmersalsa]

You're so easily confused. 7 years being great is a long time.

He wasn't great for 7 years. He was great for 3 years(1980-83). After that, career went downhill because of drug problems.

[oogiebe]

You're so easily confused. 7 years being great is a long time.

He wasn't great for 7 years. He was great for 3 years(1980-83). After that, career went downhill because of drug problems.

You said he was sensational for 7 years.

[Ambling Alp II]

He never ceases to amaze me.

[oogiebe]

He never ceases to amaze me.

He's sensational!

[elmersalsa]

He never ceases to amaze me.

He's sensational!

Both of you don't know the meaning of prime, then.

[Onetimeonly]

You're so easily confused. 7 years being great is a long time.

He wasn't great for 7 years. He was great for 3 years(1980-83). After that, career went downhill because of drug problems.

[Onetimeonly]

Nobody is calling Pryor prime in his pro debut, you're the one that put out the years.

[orbtastic]

Richie Sandoval looked like a Hall of Famer when he beat Jeff Chandler like a redheaded stepchild, but then Gaby Canizales obliterated him. Lloyd Honeyghan looked unstoppable until Marlon Starling laid a beatdown on him. Jimmy Paul appeared to be headed for stardom until the less talented Greg Haugen imposed his will on him and it was downhill for JP after that.

Good calls on Sandoval and Paul. Both looked like longtime champions, until they didn’t. Gaby was a blaster so you were always in danger of getting KO’d by him (unlike his slick-boxing brother Orlando) but I was more shocked by Haugen beating Paul. I kept waiting for Haugen to get dominated in that fight,
Another from that era: Hilmer Kenty. Won the belt, defended three times against untaxing competition for a year and then got mugged by O’Grady. He was never the same

Whilst I don't disagree that Gaby absolutely nailed him and gave him a sustained beating for the entire fight, is it not fair to say that he was facing the shell of Sandoval who was severely weight drained. Can't remember figures exactly but it was around a stone he had to lose in the last few days and he only drank water i.e. didn't eat. He was knocked cold for about 15 minutes and actually looked dead. It's said that he stopped breathing from anything from 90 seconds to 3 minutes, which is highly dangerous for the brain. He was still out cold on his way to the hospital.

I don't know why he'd not made a defence for almost 18 months or what kept him out but he certainly wasn't anywhere near his fighting weight and was around 130 when he had a non title fight only the month before.

[giacomino]

Good calls on Sandoval and Paul. Both looked like longtime champions, until they didn’t. Gaby was a blaster so you were always in danger of getting KO’d by him (unlike his slick-boxing brother Orlando) but I was more shocked by Haugen beating Paul. I kept waiting for Haugen to get dominated in that fight,
Another from that era: Hilmer Kenty. Won the belt, defended three times against untaxing competition for a year and then got mugged by O’Grady. He was never the same

Whilst I don't disagree that Gaby absolutely nailed him and gave him a sustained beating for the entire fight, is it not fair to say that he was facing the shell of Sandoval who was severely weight drained. Can't remember figures exactly but it was around a stone he had to lose in the last few days and he only drank water i.e. didn't eat. He was knocked cold for about 15 minutes and actually looked dead. It's said that he stopped breathing from anything from 90 seconds to 3 minutes, which is highly dangerous for the brain. He was still out cold on his way to the hospital.

I don't know why he'd not made a defence for almost 18 months or what kept him out but he certainly wasn't anywhere near his fighting weight and was around 130 when he had a non title fight only the month before.

True, he was having extreme trouble making even close to the weight and he fought a few non-title bouts at featherweight between the bantamweight title fights. Hindsight is 20-20 but he obviously had no business defending his belt so weight drained, especially against a guy like Canizales. He was a shell of the fighter he was when he beat up Jeff Chandler

[elmersalsa]

Nobody is calling Pryor prime in his pro debut, you're the one that put out the years.

That doesn't meant that I said prime Pryor started in '76. I said the he looked sensational. You can look sensational even in your over the hill years in some fights.

[Nile4000]

Whilst I don't disagree that Gaby absolutely nailed him and gave him a sustained beating for the entire fight, is it not fair to say that he was facing the shell of Sandoval who was severely weight drained. Can't remember figures exactly but it was around a stone he had to lose in the last few days and he only drank water i.e. didn't eat. He was knocked cold for about 15 minutes and actually looked dead. It's said that he stopped breathing from anything from 90 seconds to 3 minutes, which is highly dangerous for the brain. He was still out cold on his way to the hospital.

I don't know why he'd not made a defence for almost 18 months or what kept him out but he certainly wasn't anywhere near his fighting weight and was around 130 when he had a non title fight only the month before.

True, he was having extreme trouble making even close to the weight and he fought a few non-title bouts at featherweight between the bantamweight title fights. Hindsight is 20-20 but he obviously had no business defending his belt so weight drained, especially against a guy like Canizales. He was a shell of the fighter he was when he beat up Jeff Chandler

A drug addicted, eye problem having Jeff Chandler.

[oogiebe]

Nobody is calling Pryor prime in his pro debut, you're the one that put out the years.

That doesn't meant that I said prime Pryor started in '76. I said the he looked sensational. You can look sensational even in your over the hill years in some fights.

Please define sensational.

[elmersalsa]

That doesn't meant that I said prime Pryor started in '76. I said the he looked sensational. You can look sensational even in your over the hill years in some fights.

Please define sensational.

Go to the dictionary.

[oogiebe]

Please define sensational.

Go to the dictionary.

...moron...

[elmersalsa]

Go to the dictionary.

...moron...

Do not follow a fool according to his folly.

[oogiebe]

...moron...

Do not follow a fool according to his folly.

So I shouldn't reply to you anymore?

[Onetimeonly]

Nobody is calling Pryor prime in his pro debut, you're the one that put out the years.

That doesn't meant that I said prime Pryor started in '76. I said the he looked sensational. You can look sensational even in your over the hill years in some fights.

You didn't see Aaron fight in 1976. He wasn't on TV.

[elmersalsa]

Do not follow a fool according to his folly.

So I shouldn't reply to you anymore?

No, I shouldn't respond to your folly. How about that?