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I believe I watched that one live. Sammy Fuentes claim to fame coming in was his stunning 2nd rd KO of 26-1 Harry Arroyo.

Harry's career really went south after the loss to Jimmy Paul, didn't it?

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Edwin Rosario v Frankie Randall I

When I first saw it live I thought Rosario had it pretty comfortable, but pen to paper it was a lot closer now than I remember it. Good tight fight scored on the British scoring system.

Round 1: Randall
Round 2: Randall
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Rosario
Round 5: Randall
Round 6: Randall
Round 7: Rosario
Round 8: Rosario
Round 9: Rosario
Round 10: Rosario

Total: 98-97 1/2 Rosario

Referee Gibbs had it 98 1/2 - 98, which I believe is something like 4-3-3 in rounds for Rosario. Credit it to Randall who fought those last two rounds with nothing but heart.

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On the subject of Rosario v Randall, here is their second fight. Y'know, I never saw this fight when it took place. Didn't know it was out there. Rosario is waaaay past his best by the time they rematched, but it was still an entertaining fight. Rosario's punch could always turn a fight around.

Round 1: 10-9 Randall
Round 2: 10-9 Randall (dual knockdowns cancel each other, but Randall carried the heavy freight throughout the round)
Round 3: 10-9 Randall
Round 4: 10-9 Randall
Round 5: 10-9 Randall
Round 6: 10-9 Randall
Round 7: Fight stopped in Randall's favor

Total (through 6 completed rounds): 60-54 Randall

Randall was not to be denied.

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Saoul Mamby v Esteban DeJesus

When this took place way back when, I was out of the country and called home to ask my Dad about the fight. When he said Mamby knocked out DeJesus, I couldn't believe it.

Round 1: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 2: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 5: 10-9 Mamby
Round 6: 10-9 Mamby
Round 7: 10-9 Mamby
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Mamby
Round 10: 10-9 Mamby
Round 11: 10-9 Mamby
Round 12: 10-8 Mamby (scores a knockdown)
Round 13: Mamby stops DeJesus

Total (through 12 completed rounds): 117-112 Mamby (actual scores: 117-110, 117-112 and 118-110 all for Mamby)

After the first four rounds when DeJesus was fresh and able to get inside, he did well. But Mamby played a waiting game and slowly chipped away. To his credit, DeJesus never stopped trying, but the wind came out of his sails in the 12th and was done like dinner.

[PredatorHayds]

SRL-Hagler

10-9
10-9
10-9
9-10
9-10
10-9
9-10
9-10
9-10
10-9
10-9
9-10

114-114.

Scored it a few times on the past and usually end up with 115-113 SRL.

The 118-110 is a disgrace.

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Alfonso Lopez v Shoji Oguma - 5 point must scoring system in effect

Round 1: 5-4 Lopez
Round 2: 5-3 Lopez (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 5-5 Even
Round 4: 5-4 Lopez
Round 5: 5-4 Oguma
Round 6: 5-4 Lopez
Round 7: 5-4 Lopez
Round 8: 5-4 Oguma
Round 9: 5-4 Lopez
Round 10: 5-5 Even
Round 11: 5-4 Lopez
Round 12: 5-4 Lopez
Round 13: 5-4 Oguma
Round 14: 5-4 Lopez
Round 15: 5-4 Oguma

Total: 71-65 Lopez (actual scores were 72-65 and 73-67 for Lopez and of course the outlandish 71-71 Draw ballot along party lines from the Japanese judge.

To begin, this is really the first time I am seeing Oguma fight and to tell you the truth, he doesn't so much fight as lunge. And with him being southpaw and Lopez orthodox, these two were cracking heads all night. I'm sure their respective cuts were caused by butts. As for Oguma's lunges, there were about 3 times he ended up on the canvas from a missed lunge and several more times he zipped right past a side-stepping Lopez with his momentum. Lopez was conservative with his shots and counters and fully deserved the decision. I should also take referee Larry Rozadilla to task for constant warning but never took a point away from Oguma. The worst offense being a shameless and obvious take-down in the 15th round which should have cost him a point. Well that's my take anyway.

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Revisited Edwin Rosario v Howard Davis. Not slam-bang but just enough to say it was a good fight and damn close.

Round 1: 10-9 Rosario
Round 2: 10-8 Rosario (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Davis
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Davis
Round 7: 10-9 Davis
Round 8: 10-9 Davis
Round 9: 10-9 Davis
Round 10: 10-9 Rosario
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-8 Rosario (scores a knockdown)

Total: 115-114 Rosario (actual scores were 115-114 and 117-113 for Rosario and 114-113 for Davis)

That 117-113 for Rosario seemed out of line. Even the first time I saw it I thought Rosario just nicked it in the 12th due to the knockdown. Damn close.

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Ki-Jun Lee vs Paul Banke. Here is how I had it.

Round 1: 10-9 Lee
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Banke
Round 4: 10-9 Lee
Round 5: 10-9 Banke
Round 6: 10-9 Banke
Round 7: 10-9 Banke
Round 8: 9-9 Even (Lee's round but careless headwork costs him a point.
Round 9: 10-9 Lee
Round 10: 10-9 Lee
Round 11: 10-8 Banke (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: Banke stops Lee

Total (through 11 completed rounds): 105-103 Banke

First of all, great fight. Jarring punches from beginning to end. Lee really should have been docked another point in the 9th round when he came in like a billygoat. He had lost the snap on his punches from the earlier rounds by this time and found crowding Banke successful, which nullified Banke's punches. But again, a great fight.

[Woldemar]

1989-03-19 German Torres vs Yul Woo Lee (WBC World light flyweight title)

1. Lee 10-9
2. Lee 10-9
3. Torres 10-9
4. Lee 10-9
5. 9-9(Lee won a round but lose point,punch to back off the head)
6. Lee 10-9
7.Lee 10-9
8. Lee 10-9
9. Lee win (RSC )

Winner : Yul Woo Lee 78-73

Official scorecards : Lee 78-73,77-74,77-73.

[Woldemar]

1991-08-03 Frank Tate vs Yawe Davis (IBF Inter-Continental light heavyweight title)

1.Davis 10-9
2.Even 10-10
3.Tate 10-9
4.Davis 10-9
5.Even. 10-10
6.Tate 10-9
7.Davis 10-9
8.Davis 10-9
9.Tate 10-9
10. Tate 10-9
11. Even 10-10
12. Tate 10-9

Winner : Frank Tate 116-115

Official scorecards : Tate won by SD (Tate 114-113,117-114 ,115-114 Davis)

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After the Banke-Lee fight, I saw Paul Banke's bout with Kennedy McKinney was out there, so I really had to check that out. Unfortunately it was really one-way traffic. I gave McKinney every round - scoring knockdowns in rounds 2 and 6 for a score of 60-52 after six rounds. At that time Banke was retired at the end of the 6th. Only in the 4th did he look like he was going to do anything. But even there I still gave the round to the pin-point punching of McKinney. This was really a prime McKinney whom Banke fought.

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Needed a good slam-bang affair to get the day going and I lighted upon a great old one between Florentino Fernandez and Rory Calhoun. Scored on NY rounds basis.

Round 1: FF
Round 2: FF
Round 3: FF
Round 4: Calhoun
Round 5: Even
Round 6: FF
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Fernandez stops Calhoun

Total (through 7 completed rounds): 4-1-2 Fernandez

Wicked shots abound in this one as they entertain the paying audience. Man, you just knew this one was not meant to go the distance. Didn't think Calhoun was going to rise from the knockdown in the 8th. He did,but you knew he couldn't survive the followup.

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I found out this fight was on youtube on another thread and I just had to see it. It was the 12 rounder between Leon Spinks and Jesse Burnett. These two gave it their all.

Round 1: 10-9 Spinks
Round 2: 10-9 Spinks
Round 3: 10-9 Spinks
Round 4: 10-9 Burnett
Round 5: 10-9 Burnett
Round 6: 10-9 Burnett
Round 7: 10-9 Burnett
Round 8: 10-9 Burnett
Round 9: 10-9 Spinks
Round 10: 10-9 Burnett
Round 11: 10-9 Burnett
Round 12: 10-9 Spinks

Total: 115-113 Burnett (actual scores 116-113, 117-112 and 116-114 all for Spinks)

At the time I first saw this I screamed highway robbery. Now I see it calmly and only have Burnett ahead by two points, which may be controversial, but maybe not a robbery. Still, I thought Burnett deserved it with his pinpoint punching over Leon's greater - but not so precise - workrate.

[Ambling Alp II]

Some fights are like that. One guy lands lot of punches that technically land but graze. The other guy lands fewer punchers but are more clean and have more on them.

[Seamus]

Sugar Ray Leonard vs Ayub Kalule

R1.10-9 SRL
R2.10-9 SRL
R3.10-9 SRL
R4.10-9 SRL
R5.10-9 SRL
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 AK
R8.10-9 SRL

Kalule down in the 9th from a series of rights to the head, he beats the count, but referee Carlos Berrrocal stops the fight. I had it 79-74 for Leonard heading into the 9th. Some close rds and the 4th and 5th were action packed, but Leonard broke down Kalule's defenses with a strong body attack.

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Shoji Oguma v Park Chan Hee II

Round 1: 10-8 Park (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Park
Round 3: 10-9 Oguma
Round 4: 10-9 Park
Round 5: 10-9 Oguma
Round 6: 10-9 Park
Round 7: 10-9 Park
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Park
Round 10: 10-9 Park
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Oguma
Round 13: 10-9 Oguma
Round 14: 10-9 Oguma
Round 15: 10-9 Oguma

Total: 144-142 Park (actual scores: 144-143 and 146-145 both for Oguma and 148-144 for Park)

Regarding the fight, to tell you the truth, I felt - on my card - Oguma lost it rather than Park won it. There were so many rounds where Oguma was content to just dance on the outside and do little while Park was throwing wild shots but taking the rounds for his effort, while I was screaming for Shoji to get in there. He did next to nothing with his jab despite a height advantage made even better for him by Park's pronounced crouch. Moreover, when Park's fatigue was setting in around the 7th and 8th, that would have been the time for Oguma to really go hard on the inside and sink some of those shots to the belly. He was clearly the stronger man in the clinches and should have been exerting his will to the body. It's all academic as he won a split, but I think that Park deserved the win.

[Ambling Alp II]

Lewis-Holyfield II

Round 1 Holyfield
Round 2 Lewis
Round 3 Holyfield (close)
Round 4 Lewis (close)
Round 5 Holyfield
Round 6 Holyfield
Round 7 Holyfield
Round 8 Holyfield (close)
Round 9 Lewis (close)
Round 10 Lewis
Round 11 Lewis
Round 12 Holyfield

Holyfield 115-113

Mediocre fight at best, though better than the first one.

[margaret thatcher]

Lewis-Holyfield II

Round 1 Lewis
Round 2 Lewis
Round 3 Lewis
Round 4 Lewis
Round 5 Lewis
Round 6 Holyfield
Round 7 Holyfield
Round 8 Lewis
Round 9 Even
Round 10 Lewis
Round 11 Lewis
Round 12 Holyfield

https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/unfinis ... x-lewis-ii

117-112 Lewis, clear win and properly scored this time, 115-113 to 117-111 was about right considering a couple close rounds. I really don't see the case for Vander though even giving him benefit of the doubt.. People have said Len hardly did anything, but Holy did even less. He hardly started fighting until the 6th, how Alp has him up 5-2 to start is beyond me.

Mercer and Holy 2 are 2 Lewis fights that much of this section treats as being closer than they actually were. It seems any time Len had a competitive one people wanted to act like he should've lost

It's true, the series was really bleh. Lewis was weary of Vander and Vander struggled to do much in response to Lewis boxing that way.

[DrDuke]

Holyfield 115-113

Only one word - how?

117-112 Lewis, clear win and properly scored this time, 115-113 to 117-111 was about right considering a couple close rounds. I really don't see the case for Vander though even giving him benefit of the doubt.. People have said Len hardly did anything, but Holy did even less. He hardly started fighting until the 6th, how Alp has him up 5-2 to start is beyond me.

[Ambling Alp II]

How?
Well,
Round one, Lewis did virtually nothing. Not that Holyfield did a lot, but you have to give him the round.
Round 2, was a clear Lewis round.
Round 3 and 4 could have gone either way.
Rounds 5-7 were clear Holyfield rounds.
Rounds 8 and 9 were close and could have gone either way.
Rounds 10 and 11 were clear Lewis rounds.
round 12 was a Holyfield round.

Overall, Holyfield was mostly only fighting in little spurts. That wasn't a lot, but sometimes it was enough to win the round.
Lewis landed a a really good uppercut late in the fight. Where was that all night? Where was his right hand all night?

Most of the clean, decent punches that were landed, were by Holyfield.
Lewis should not rounds when he doesn't do anything. Just because he doesn't get knocked down, doesn't mean he won the round.

I eagerly await your emojis.

[Seamus]

I think we've had at least 3 guys now admit to scoring the 2nd bout for Holyfield.

[Tony1244]

Despite the official verdicts, the general consensus was the 2nd fight was closer. I had LL winning both, but more people scored the 2nd fight for Holy than the first.

[DrDuke]

How?
Well,
Round one, Lewis did virtually nothing. Not that Holyfield did a lot, but you have to give him the round.
Round 2, was a clear Lewis round.
Round 3 and 4 could have gone either way.
Rounds 5-7 were clear Holyfield rounds.
Rounds 8 and 9 were close and could have gone either way.
Rounds 10 and 11 were clear Lewis rounds.
round 12 was a Holyfield round.

Overall, Holyfield was mostly only fighting in little spurts. That wasn't a lot, but sometimes it was enough to win the round.
Lewis landed a a really good uppercut late in the fight. Where was that all night? Where was his right hand all night?

Most of the clean, decent punches that were landed, were by Holyfield.
Lewis should not rounds when he doesn't do anything. Just because he doesn't get knocked down, doesn't mean he won the round.

I eagerly await your emojis.

Lewis was clearly outlanding Holyfield in the vast majority of the rounds, including the ones you call close. While clear Holyfield's rounds were only 6, 7, 12. Yes, Holyfield landed the hardest shot of the bout, but so what? Is it a mark of doing more, as you keep reiterating your "Lewis was doing nothing". Damn, that nothing was more, than Holyfield did. Only total wackos won't get this simple logic. It's well seen, it's backed up by the stats. And you are repeating your bullshit from a one thread to another. Actually, it's a pretty common way for you to comment. Everywhere your comments bring the same biased stuff, which often is a completely weird nonsense. The current example is brilliant. You aren't able to stop in the matchups section, you continue to spread this cancer here with an outlandish stubbornness. So, you want some emojis? I guess, this one is the most proper after this prolonged bollocks session.

[PredatorHayds]

Hearns-Andries

10-9
10-9
10-9
10-9
10-9
10-6 (Should of been stopped)
9-10 (Huge heart from Andries)
10-9
10-8

Stopped in the Tenth.

One sided win for Hearns. Considering the results Andries had afterwards it’s a hugely underrated win for The Hitman.

[margaret thatcher]

I think we've had at least 3 guys now admit to scoring the 2nd bout for Holyfield.

Ya, there is a small minority seemingly only in this section who saw it that way, just like people somehow scoring for Pac over Floyd, including some of the same ppl who had Vander winning

Don't see it all myself and thankfully the judges got it right second time around