Sonny Liston (1963) vs. current HWs ?

[margaret thatcher]

From favourite to no chance, that was a quick decline

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Could liston beat prime fres oquendo?

Fres has faced much bigger fighters
Fres has been world ranked for decades
Fres is taller and bigger
Surely hes better defensively

[margaret thatcher]

Fres is so good that he's ranked even 6 years after he's last fought, don't underestimate the great man

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Based on steve Cunningham dropping fury 7 years ago he has no chance...

Since that he has wins over klit and wilder

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Fres is so good that he's ranked even 6 years after he's last fought, don't underestimate the great man

Sonny fought 17 years. Fres has been WORLD TOP 15 RANKED for 19

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Ali was dropped by henry cooper so surely he has no chance against george foreman

[oogiebe]

Jack o'Halloran...'til this day!

[Enlightened-One]

I'd argue that all of these guys weighed roughly 240lbs or more, with the vast majority being 6' 4" or more:

• Anthony Joshua
• Andy Ruiz Jr
• Charles Martin
• Tyson Fury
• Wladimir Klitschko
• Vitali Klitschko
• Lennox Lewis
• George Foreman
• Riddick Bowe
• Samuel Peter
• Oleg Maskaev
• Frank Bruno
• James Douglas
• Ruslan Chagaev
• Lucas Browne
• Nikolay Valuev
• John Ruiz
• Joseph Parker
• Shannon Briggs

Notable mentions: Bermane Stiverne & Hasim Rahman weighed roughly 240lbs (238lbs & 239lbs) for their title bouts.

For sure, one or two might be half an inch or so shorter than 6' 4", but ValMar's criteria was fabricated in his own mind and a centimetre discrepancy doesn't really endorse his argument.

If you review the amount of title bouts since 1993, I'd also argue that the vast majority of the world heavyweight champions and title defences were performed by really big men.

For the record, my point is perfectly valid, the heavyweight title scene has been dominated by tall heavy men since the mid-nineties (i.e. Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitschko, Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury etc.).

If I listed the amount of heavyweight title fights involving at least one fighter weighing 240lbs or more since 1993, the stats are staggering, because it's nearly all of them.

And I think you're smart enough to realise this.

4 out of 21 on that list would stand a chance at beating Liston, and none of them is current. Fucken lol at Brown, Parker and Martin.

Stop being ignorant and review the context of my post.

I was asked to provide a list of world heavyweight champions that all weighed 240lbs and were also close to 6’4” or taller.

That was the true context of my post.

Nothing else was being claimed.

[oogiebe]

4 out of 21 on that list would stand a chance at beating Liston, and none of them is current. Fucken lol at Brown, Parker and Martin.

Stop being ignorant and review the context of my post.

I was asked to provide a list of world heavyweight champions that all weighed 240lbs and were also close to 6’4” or taller.

That was the true context of my post.

Nothing else was being claimed.

I love the irony of your name(s).

[jamesmcdonnell]

Its ok to think liston is overrated and beat smaller fighters therefore he would have issues with bigger men of today. But the way he argues is so poor and hes so sure hes brilliant it is just hilarious

He talks about red herring arguments; he is the master of that. His "logic" is Liston never beat anyone who weighed more than 230, so therefore he couldn't have beaten anyone who weighed more than 230.

He doesn't like facts such as Liston's and Louis' best opponents, weren't their biggest opponents.

I have no doubt the fighters of listons era had better stamina and all round skill sets.

[Tony1244]

Ali was dropped by henry cooper so surely he has no chance against george foreman

Imagine how badly Willard would have crushed Dempsey.

[Tony1244]

Oh Enlightened-One, in your humble opinion who were Louis' best opponents. I've asked you before, but I know you are a busy man.

[oogiebe]

Oh Enlightened-One, in your humble opinion who were Louis' best opponents. I've asked you before, but I know you are a busy man.

[jenko21]

Another thread hijacked by E.O.

[oogiebe]

You mean like Andy Ruiz training and dietary progressed?

Prime Andy Ruiz Jr. beats 1963 Sonny Liston, because size matters.

This was my favorite post so far.

[ValMar]

Prime Andy Ruiz Jr. beats 1963 Sonny Liston, because size matters.

This was my favorite post so far.

[lazboy]

Eo’s an embarrassment.

[margaret thatcher]

Eo’s an embarrassment.

Can you objectively prove that, using substantiated data?

[lazboy]

Eo’s an embarrassment.

Can you objectively prove that, using substantiated data?

[Counter-puncher]

Tony Galento KO's Joe Louis because size matters

[ValMar]

Eo’s an embarrassment.

Can you prove this on the proper way ?

[lazboy]

Eo’s an embarrassment.

Can you prove this on the proper way ?

Am I correct or not? All I need is a “yes” or “no” answer.

[ValMar]

Can you prove this on the proper way ?

Am I correct or not? All I need is a “yes” or “no” answer.

Excuse me, nothing personal, but your point is not valid.

[Enlightened-One]

Would the 1983 iteration of Roberto Duran be capable of beating the 1963 version of Sonny Liston?

And if you feel he couldn’t, what is the main reason for your opinion?

Would the 1954 iteration of Archie Moore be capable of beating the 1963 version of Sonny Liston?

And if you feel he couldn’t, what is the main reason for your opinion?

[Tony1244]

Still waiting on EO to list Louis' best opponents.

He won't; because it blows his theory out of the water.