How far the Judges can go? Tyson Fury vs. Wilder III

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Tevfik1907
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How far the Judges can go? Tyson Fury vs. Wilder III

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Let's say Tyson Fury vs. Wilder III, will happen exactly like the first fight happened.

Can the judges do the same when Fury essentially wins the fight? Draw or worse, win by points for Wilder?

I am asking this because Fury started to believe that the judges will not grant him a win by points, which is why he changed his style and he went for win by KO.

But if Wilder survives 5 or 6 rounds slaughter somehow, and win 2 or 3 rounds only, can the judges save him again? Although, Draw won't save Wilder this time, can they grant him a shockingly surprise win by points?

I am asking this because Wilder was stubborn to not give up in the second fight, even when he knew that he could actually die.

But this time Fury has the WBC belt, not sure if Judges can go that far or not.
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Two 10-8 rounds go a long way and a few rounds were close. Seen robberies, that wasn't one of them.
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Yes, of course they could rip him off again.
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Both guys are looking like they are going to war from the looks of it.

The judges are not important if they can get the right people, or where the fight is gonna be staged. Neutral ground? Or is Fury gonna whoop Wilder in his hometown? Who knows. Just would like the world to start up and hoping that this pandemic blows over.

Every sport more or less has been dead.
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What a dystopia.

Yet everything is coming back to life all around the world. We farmers are working our ass off as usual. Sportspeople should come back soon.
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Re: How far the Judges can go? Tyson Fury vs. Wilder III

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Tony1244 wrote: 28 May 2020, 15:32 Two 10-8 rounds go a long way and a few rounds were close. Seen robberies, that wasn't one of them.
Two 10-8 rounds go as far as two 10-8 rounds go. Even with the close round argument, Wilder still needed 5 for a draw. I've seen many try to make a case for giving Wilder 5 rounds total.

Even so, It in no way explains how Rochin gave Wilder 7 rounds!
I.e. which was clearly outrageous.
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squiggy wrote: 28 May 2020, 16:14 Yes, of course they could rip him off again.
Yup. If he has sense he will take the fight to Manchester. If he gets KO'd by Wilder then fair play to Wilder, but why take the risk with the judges in the U.S. when he doesn't have to?

Then again, it's not like bbbofc has done the Furys all that many favours.
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Finkel wrote: 31 May 2020, 02:07
squiggy wrote: 28 May 2020, 16:14 Yes, of course they could rip him off again.
Yup. If he has sense he will take the fight to Manchester. If he gets KO'd by Wilder then fair play to Wilder, but why take the risk with the judges in the U.S. when he doesn't have to?

Then again, it's not like bbbofc has done the Furys all that many favours.
Was it the bbbcs fault they used PEDs?

Tys was actually a bit fortunate, in other places that Hammer win would be overturned. Actually in DC he would likely have been disqualified, like Bute was
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margaret thatcher wrote: 31 May 2020, 02:15
Finkel wrote: 31 May 2020, 02:07

Yup. If he has sense he will take the fight to Manchester. If he gets KO'd by Wilder then fair play to Wilder, but why take the risk with the judges in the U.S. when he doesn't have to?

Then again, it's not like bbbofc has done the Furys all that many favours.
Was it the bbbcs fault they used PEDs?

Tys was actually a bit fortunate, in other places that Hammer win would be overturned. Actually in DC he would likely have been disqualified, like Bute was
Fair point
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Re: How far the Judges can go? Tyson Fury vs. Wilder III

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Finkel wrote: 31 May 2020, 02:02
Tony1244 wrote: 28 May 2020, 15:32 Two 10-8 rounds go a long way and a few rounds were close. Seen robberies, that wasn't one of them.
Two 10-8 rounds go as far as two 10-8 rounds go. Even with the close round argument, Wilder still needed 5 for a draw. I've seen many try to make a case for giving Wilder 5 rounds total.

Even so, It in no way explains how Rochin gave Wilder 7 rounds!
I.e. which was clearly outrageous.

As a Wilder fan I concede it was a bit of a stretch to call it a draw under the current round by round scoring system.

On the other hand, Fury was not overly convincing and the two knock-downs must count heavy.

Imagine if Fury had edged 11 of the 12 rounds and then got absolutely clobbered with several knock-downs in the last ending the fight totally bloodied and battered and semi conscious and only allowed to finish because of an understanding referee?

To then declare Fury the 'winner' would make a travesty of the judging, wouldn't it?

So despite Wilder being the A side and all that the fight has generally been accepted as a draw by fans at large. Very few voices have claimed that Wilder should have been declared the winner.

Certainly not me, and how a judge gave him 7 rounds remains a mystery.

As for a neutral venue, there's no chance of that. Everyone knows it will be Vegas again - money comes before everything in this sport. Neither fighter would change that.

You could even say that $$$ Vegas helps Fury with tactics, he can't rely on the judges there, and Wilder can't outbox him. Everyone understands that, even Fury detractors like me!

No, Wilder has to catch him big, but to do it he needs more finesse, mobility and nuance than last time.

With Fury's history all opponents should insist on the most stringent testing available.
Even to the point of jeopardising the humongous financial feast for all involved.

But we know they won't.

I love Manny Pacquiao, but I'd feel better about it if I knew he was clean. As things stand, I don't. Thurman said nothing, but then why would he when he got paid so well?

All you clean boxers out there take very good care!
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Re: How far the Judges can go? Tyson Fury vs. Wilder III

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Finkel wrote: 31 May 2020, 02:02
Tony1244 wrote: 28 May 2020, 15:32 Two 10-8 rounds go a long way and a few rounds were close. Seen robberies, that wasn't one of them.
Two 10-8 rounds go as far as two 10-8 rounds go. Even with the close round argument, Wilder still needed 5 for a draw. I've seen many try to make a case for giving Wilder 5 rounds total.

Even so, It in no way explains how Rochin gave Wilder 7 rounds!
I.e. which was clearly outrageous.
I had it 113-113. The 7 rounds for Wilder was way out there.
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Re: How far the Judges can go? Tyson Fury vs. Wilder III

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Given how lopsided the 2nd fight was, it's hard to imagine Wilder being able to make it competitive enough for them to even give him a questionable decision.

If Fury won 10 rounds emphatically, there's just no way they could rob him a decision.

Plus at this point I'd say it would appear Fury has just as good a chance at knocking Wilder down as Wilder does knocking him down.

So even a potential 10-8 round probably wouldn't swing it Wilder's way for long, unless he was able to finish the job then and there.
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Re: How far the Judges can go? Tyson Fury vs. Wilder III

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If the fight is close, it's doubtful Wilder is getting the decision.
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If it went the same way I can see Fury getting the nod this time (as champion and having the crushing win from the second fight, if there's influence at play it's more likely to come down his way). But I'd say the chances of it going the same way are purely around if Fury can be arsed to train properly and turns up focussed.
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Re: How far the Judges can go? Tyson Fury vs. Wilder III

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Ambling Alp II wrote: 31 May 2020, 12:35 If the fight is close, it's doubtful Wilder is getting the decision.
Y?
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Re: How far the Judges can go? Tyson Fury vs. Wilder III

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Wilder's already getting gifted just by being given a third chance at Fury.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 31 May 2020, 12:35 If the fight is close, it's doubtful Wilder is getting the decision.
Y bruhsky?
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