Which Fury win was better

better win

Wladimir Klitschko
16
33%
Deontay Wilder
32
67%
 
Total votes: 48

Cent0089
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Which Fury win was better

Post by Cent0089 »

Wladimir Klitschko win
Pros:
- Klitschko was bigger name than Wilder
- he beat him in his home
- Wladimir was exposed badly in that fight, unable to do any harm to Fury, scared to fight
Cons:
- Klitschko lost before
- at age of 39, i am not sure if Klitschko was at his prime
- it was somewhat close and boring fight

Deontay Wilder win:
Pros:
- it was one of best revenges in heavyweight boxing after knockdown controversy in 12 round in first fight
- it was 7 rounds of savage beating, 2 knockdowns and towel, Fury looked unbeatable that night
- Wilder was at his prime and undefeated
- whole event was just bigger show than Klitschko event in 2015
Cons:
- Wilder is not that big name as Klitschko was

I am going to give my vote to WIlder victory + i have a question, who was favorite and who was underdog in those fights? :box: :box: :box:
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In terms of legacy the Klitschko win was bigger, but the Wilder win was much more entertaining, so I picked the Wilder win.
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Post by joshj909 »

The win over Wilder was so satisfying after the previous controversy and Wilders talk but Klitschko is a much higher level of opponent, irregardless as to how boring the fight was.
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It's a hard question I was just thinking about this. Klitschko at the time was an unstoppable force of nature. Everyone talks about what a boring fight it was and they may be right. I was enthralled, enjoying every second of it because Fury was beating an unbeatable fighter. We'd been down the hype road with Klitschko opponents before, I didn't regard Fury as highly as some, hadn't seen many of his fights. In America. After the Cunningham fight I considered him, probably similar to the way the press considered Ali when he fought Liston the first time. An overrated clown. I figured I'd be watching a one-sided beat down and I was thrilled it wasn't. It completely opened up the heavyweight division after it'd been stagnant for years. Excited about all the matchups that still haven't happened. My heart wants to go with the Wilder fight because it was so great but the Klitschko win was the big one.

The atmosphere where I watched the Wilder Fury fight was strange. I watched it at the mall on a movie theater, same place I'd watched the first one. There were a lot of people at the first one, fight fans, and the crowd was split evenly. Wasn't a particularly loud or drunken group. The 2nd time the theater was crammed, lots of young black people and they were loudly rooting for Wilder. The end of the fight was so sudden anyway, in the theater it was like Fury had dropped an enormous fart-bomb that all the people could smell at the same time. The silence, the expressions, they all expected a Wilder KO.

The one small group of drunk surly white people were cheering loudly for Fury, I was busy yelling my usual vitrol at the referee and Wilder's corner but in part of my mind I wondered if they were going to get shanked or shot. It was that sort of moment. Magical.
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Post by Enlightened-One »

Tyson Fury is the 1st fighter in heavyweight in history to end multiple 10+ title defence streaks, which means his victories over Wilder and Klitschko are very impressive.

Fury was more dominant against Wilder than he was against Klitschko.

However, Tyson beat Wladamir fairly comfortably (117-111 or perhaps 116-112, from a fan perspective) when they met 4½ years ago.

Superficially-speaking, using the eyeball test as the main barometer, Fury’s performance against Wilder was visually more impressive to watch than his efforts against Klitschko.

However, from purely a prestige perspective (beating an all-time-great that was in the midst of a lengthy dominant title reign), Fury’s win over Klitschko was better.
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Post by Thomastearns »

The Wilder win is obviously the more impressive. Fury said he'd take Wilder out and just for once in his life the fork tongued Fury was actually telling the truth. Needless to say the judging in their first bout no doubt helped him select his tactics as did the admonitions of Fury sr.

The win over Klitschko was a non event where one boxer retreated into his shell with his mind preoccupied elsewhere and was unwilling to let his hands go whilst the other one was roided to the gills and bobbed and weaved like a madman.

Sometimes, the drugs do work.
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thereverend wrote: 02 Jun 2020, 07:00 It's a hard question I was just thinking about this. Klitschko at the time was an unstoppable force of nature. Everyone talks about what a boring fight it was and they may be right. I was enthralled, enjoying every second of it because Fury was beating an unbeatable fighter. We'd been down the hype road with Klitschko opponents before, I didn't regard Fury as highly as some, hadn't seen many of his fights. In America. After the Cunningham fight I considered him, probably similar to the way the press considered Ali when he fought Liston the first time. An overrated clown. I figured I'd be watching a one-sided beat down and I was thrilled it wasn't. It completely opened up the heavyweight division after it'd been stagnant for years. Excited about all the matchups that still haven't happened. My heart wants to go with the Wilder fight because it was so great but the Klitschko win was the big one.

The atmosphere where I watched the Wilder Fury fight was strange. I watched it at the mall on a movie theater, same place I'd watched the first one. There were a lot of people at the first one, fight fans, and the crowd was split evenly. Wasn't a particularly loud or drunken group. The 2nd time the theater was crammed, lots of young black people and they were loudly rooting for Wilder. The end of the fight was so sudden anyway, in the theater it was like Fury had dropped an enormous fart-bomb that all the people could smell at the same time. The silence, the expressions, they all expected a Wilder KO.

The one small group of drunk surly white people were cheering loudly for Fury, I was busy yelling my usual vitrol at the referee and Wilder's corner but in part of my mind I wondered if they were going to get shanked or shot. It was that sort of moment. Magical.
Where was that, rev?
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Post by Paci »

Stopping Wilder was something. He could stop Wlad too, but choice to outboxed him like it was tuesday. Then again two good wins against great fighters who looked like two bums against him.
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Great fighter?
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Re: Which Fury win was better

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No doubt that Klitschko is a way more meaningful scalp on the CV.
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We'll know after Fury and Wilder's careers are over.
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Re: Which Fury win was better

Post by gilgamesh »

Deontay Wilder, and it's not even debatable.

Klitschko was a more decorated Champion to hold a win over, but the fight was such a stinker that it sullied the accomplishment of beating him.
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Post by margaret thatcher »

They are complementary. Wlad was the bigger name with a greater legacy, but the Wilder win was way more emphatic. Two different approaches completely but both nice wins. Showed variety.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 02 Jun 2020, 20:06 They are complementary. Wlad was the bigger name with a greater legacy, but the Wilder win was way more emphatic. Two different approaches completely but both nice wins. Showed variety.
He looked like a star you couldn't wait to see again after the Wilder win. He was gone for over 2 years and wasn't particularly missed after the Wlad win.
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The Wilder win was, to me, better than Maidana-Broner.

Even though Wlad was champ for so many years and looked unbeatable, the win was strange and weirdly dissatisfying even as a Brit. The 2nd Wilder fight I must have watched at least ten times. I count it a better win than Calzaghe-Lacy. It was so one sided. Fury was robbed of at least one KD, and stopped the guy. It was an incredible performance against somebody that had practically flatlined him the last time they fought.

I called it though: Fury by stoppage.

3rd fight will be interesting
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Post by Evander »

He looked good against both.
Lean towards Wilder 2, Fury looked like the best man in the division that night.
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Post by Lenny Cravats »

Shhhh wrote: 03 Jun 2020, 06:12 Wlad was the bigger upset but wilder was the bigger story and more enjoyable
:TU:

Fury looked like the man, and the best HW for some years in the Wilder bout. That's got to be worth something when looking at career achievements.
The Klitschko fight was probably a better win on paper, but that's the only way you'd ever want to see or discuss that fight, as a result on the BoxRec page.
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Post by keirw »

Wlad was the best heavyweight of his generation and a future hall of famer.

Wilder was a dangerous, yet somewhat unproven title holder.

On paper there is no contest, yet the Wilder win is far more memorable due to the nature of Fury's victory and all the 'what ifs?' left over from their first fight.

The fact of the matter is that nobody (not even Fury's biggest fans) wants to rewatch the Wlad fight.
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Says something about Fury. Klitschko was past his best before date when he fought Fury. You could see it in the Jennings fight. Still, that terrible exhibition in which less than a hundred punches landed, was probably Fury's best win. The win over Wilder was one over a guy fans had been making fun of for years and he had to fight him twice to get a win. Aside from them, Fury has not beaten anyone who would have made the undercard even twenty or thirty years ago. The current heavyweight crop is one of the most pathetic bunch of clumsy behemoths in the long history of the sport. Just a freak show. An old freak show at that. Just one guy in the top twenty is under 30 years of age. At least six are 35 or older. Not too bad if you're talking ballplayers or golfers. Sad in a tough sport like boxing.
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Cap wrote: 05 Jun 2020, 13:05 Says something about Fury. Klitschko was past his best before date when he fought Fury. You could see it in the Jennings fight. Still, that terrible exhibition in which less than a hundred punches landed, was probably Fury's best win. The win over Wilder was one over a guy fans had been making fun of for years and he had to fight him twice to get a win. Aside from them, Fury has not beaten anyone who would have made the undercard even twenty or thirty years ago. The current heavyweight crop is one of the most pathetic bunch of clumsy behemoths in the long history of the sport. Just a freak show. An old freak show at that. Just one guy in the top twenty is under 30 years of age. At least six are 35 or older. Not too bad if you're talking ballplayers or golfers. Sad in a tough sport like boxing.
I bet you're a laugh at parties.
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Re: Which Fury win was better

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As terrible as the wlad fight was, he's the bigger resume win.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 05 Jun 2020, 22:53 As terrible as the wlad fight was, he's the bigger resume win.
It'll be considered the bigger win in 30 years time when it's mostly just people that are aware of the records of Wilder and Wlad, and didn't watch the fights opinion on it.
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gilgamesh wrote: 06 Jun 2020, 00:30
Onetimeonly wrote: 05 Jun 2020, 22:53 As terrible as the wlad fight was, he's the bigger resume win.
It'll be considered the bigger win in 30 years time when it's mostly just people that are aware of the records of Wilder and Wlad, and didn't watch the fights opinion on it.
Much more impressive against wilder, but wlad is clearly the bigger scalp.
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Cap wrote: 05 Jun 2020, 13:05 Says something about Fury. Klitschko was past his best before date when he fought Fury. You could see it in the Jennings fight. Still, that terrible exhibition in which less than a hundred punches landed, was probably Fury's best win. The win over Wilder was one over a guy fans had been making fun of for years and he had to fight him twice to get a win. Aside from them, Fury has not beaten anyone who would have made the undercard even twenty or thirty years ago. The current heavyweight crop is one of the most pathetic bunch of clumsy behemoths in the long history of the sport. Just a freak show. An old freak show at that. Just one guy in the top twenty is under 30 years of age. At least six are 35 or older. Not too bad if you're talking ballplayers or golfers. Sad in a tough sport like boxing.

The sport is doggedly following the proven Floyd Mayweather formula - the biggest bang for the lowest risk. More money for less fights. It was demonstrated time and time again to work, at least for the boxer/promoters etc if not the fans.

Extra careful matchmaking with as many advantages as possible sewn into the contract has lead to far too many boxers only fighting 1 or 2 fights a year. Even worse many potentially popular showdown fights are just not getting made due to ongoing attempts to arrange even bigger ones.

On the plus side these delays allow some boxers way past their best to extend their careers almost indefinitely, certainly well past what was seen as advisable or even competitive a few decades ago.

So yes, a definite lull in the sport at the present that it's hardly been affected by the lockdown. Difficult to think of what superfight we have missed other than Lomachenko v Lopez. GGG v Canelo 3, like 1 and 2, was always going to be tortuously difficult to arrange, mostly from Canelo's side, and it's not too difficult to see why.

Talking of Teofimo Lopez, the 22 year old is just the kind of star the heavyweight division sorely needs at present - young, brash, bold and talented. Young man in a hurry.

The division is long overdue another Ali or Tyson, and when it finally happens the fanfare will be deafening.
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Cap wrote: 05 Jun 2020, 13:05 Says something about Fury.... The win over Wilder was one over a guy fans had been making fun of for years and he had to fight him twice to get a win.
I mean, it took Lennox Lewis two fights to get a win over Holyfield, know what I'm saying?
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