Great fighters who don't look great on film

[Jaywheel]

Jack Johnson? Surfing's the source. Can change your life. Swear to god.

You're the girl he's singing to in all his songs, aren't you?

All the other girls must be so envious!

This boy is scared to death of the truth. It breaks my heart to say this, but I believe you are a very troubled and confused young man. I believe you are searching for the answers in all the wrong places.

[SwayzeWithNoShirtOn]

I definitely don't rank Ali as high as some of the more bizarro Boxing fans out there, but he's definitely a lot better than he looks. Sure, he was an exceptional athlete and flashy, but from a technical stand point he was just OK; for everything he did great, he did something wrong.

Jones also did a lot of things wrong, but enjoyed enough success that I think we xan consider him an ATG.




That's interesting. From a technical perspective, yes. Louis, Liston, H. Johnson are some of the most technically sound Heavyweights from the black and white era.

But Ali didn't struggle with the type of fighters Louis did. Even though Louis could muster up the resounding finish that Ali never could, there are plenty of times where he courted disaster when (maybe) he shouldn't have.

He didn't have the size advantage Ali enjoyed. He didn't fight such rubbish opponents as Ali often did. But he still struggled.

Robinson is the Sacred Cow of Sacred Cows, but unless you're comparing him to guys like Pep, Jofre, Duran, Gomez or Lomachenko, I'm not sure how you can complain too much about him. Anyone can watch him fight and see that he's not only incredible but a living breathing monster from nightmares.

When you have Ali's talent, you use it. You don't fight textbook. Would have been stupid of him to do so.

Hahahaha! I'd love to see you tell that to his Doctors! Or the nurses who had to wipe his ass.

[SwayzeWithNoShirtOn]

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Of course Ali fought an occasional stiff (everyone does) , but he didn't have the Bum of the Month Club.

"OCCASIONAL" stiff?

Who'd he fight pre-exile as good as Schmeling?

When did Louis ever drop a loss to a guy like Jimmy Young?

What could Frazier and Norton do that Joe Louis couldn't?

If Louis had a "Bum of the Month Club", whose title reign would you point me to as the ideal?
Jeffries?
Johnson?
Dempsey?
Marciano?
Liston?
Holmes?
Lewis?
Wilder?

[SwayzeWithNoShirtOn]

You're the girl he's singing to in all his songs, aren't you?

All the other girls must be so envious!

I believe you are searching for the answers in all the wrong places.

Nah, your mom's great in the sack. I don't care how much they make fun of me. I LIKE boneing the fat girl.

[oogiebe]

When you have Ali's talent, you use it. You don't fight textbook. Would have been stupid of him to do so.

Hahahaha! I'd love to see you tell that to his Doctors! Or the nurses who had to wipe his ass.

I think it's time for you to go away.

[Jaywheel]

I believe you are searching for the answers in all the wrong places.

Nah, your mom's great in the sack. I don't care how much they make fun of me. I LIKE boneing the fat girl.

Pure adrenalin, right?! The ultimate rush. Other guys snort for it, jab a vein for it, all you gotta do is jump.

[SwayzeWithNoShirtOn]

Hahahaha! I'd love to see you tell that to his Doctors! Or the nurses who had to wipe his ass.

I think it's time for you to go away.

The facts hurt that much?

[oogiebe]

I think it's time for you to go away.

The facts hurt that much?

The fact that you're an arse does.

[SwayzeWithNoShirtOn]

Nah, your mom's great in the sack. I don't care how much they make fun of me. I LIKE boneing the fat girl.

Pure adrenalin, right?! The ultimate rush. Other guys snort for it, jab a vein for it, all you gotta do is jump.

Her bones?

That's right. Till her box falls out.

And I'm OK with you calling me "Dad".

I even look forward to being your date to the Father-Daughter Dance. You can stand on my feet and we'll dance to Ricky Inglesias' "Hero". And I'll kiss you on the forehead and xall you "princess". And we'll both pretend for a moment that you dont share your mother's fate.

[SwayzeWithNoShirtOn]

The facts hurt that much?

The fact that you're an arse does.

Did you really just say "arse"!?!?!?

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.


Stick to watching Masterpiece Theatre on PBS, grandmom. Leave Boxing to the men.

[oogiebe]

The fact that you're an arse does.

Did you really just say "arse"!?!?!?

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.


Stick to watching Masterpiece Theatre on PBS, grandmom. Leave Boxing to the men.

No worries. You'll be gone soon enough.

[banjo]

Jack Johnson looks dreadful on film, his stance is proper camp as well but you can't say it didn't work for him.

Yes you can.

He won his title off Tommy Burns.

He wanted no part of a fully matured Langford.

He had his hands full with a young and limited Middleweight.

Luck McCarty died before taking the belt off him.

Jess Willard clowned him.

Johnson is one of history's worst champions. Even Braddock and Neon Leon were better.

I'm not denying that but what he did worked, even if he did spend the fight grinning and waving his hands about like a mechanical cat.

[SwayzeWithNoShirtOn]

I'm not denying that but what he did worked, even if he did spend the fight grinning and waving his hands about like a mechanical cat.

Hahahaha! That was awesome. My hat's off to you, sir.

My point isn't that it was ineffectual, though. I'm just arguing that he wasn't particularly good. I doubt he would have become champion in almost any other era.

[Jaywheel]

Pure adrenalin, right?! The ultimate rush. Other guys snort for it, jab a vein for it, all you gotta do is jump.

Her bones?

That's right. Till her box falls out.

And I'm OK with you calling me "Dad".

I even look forward to being your date to the Father-Daughter Dance. You can stand on my feet and we'll dance to Ricky Inglesias' "Hero". And I'll kiss you on the forehead and xall you "princess". And we'll both pretend for a moment that you dont share your mother's fate.

But are you crazy enough?