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Watched this for the first time last month. This is how I had it and what I wrote:

Lennox Lewis v Evander Holyfield II

Funny how I never bothered to watch this one before. Much better performance from Holyfield than that sleep-walking performance in the first fight. I was actually rooting for Vander from a fight that took place years ago, which is how much I got into it.

Round 1: 10-9 Lewis
Round 2: 10-9 Lewis
Round 3: 10-9 Lewis
Round 4: 10-9 Lewis
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 7: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Lewis
Round 10: 10-9 Lewis
Round 11: 10-9 Lewis
Round 12: 10-9 Holyfield

Total: 117-113 Lewis

[Woldemar]

Eddie Mustafa Muhammad vs Michael Spinks

1.Eddie 10-9
2.Eddie 10-9
3.Eddie 10-9
4. Spinks 10-9
5. Eddie 10-9
6.Eddie 10-9
7.Eddie 10-9
8.Spinks 10-9
9.Spinks 10-9
10.Spinks 10-9
11.Eddie 10-9
12. Spinks 10-8 (scores a KD)
13.Spinks 10-9
14.Spinks 10-9
15. Spinks 10-9

Winner : Michael Spinks 143-141

Official scorecards : Spinks by UD (146-138,144-140,145-139)

[Seamus]

Going from memory, I think I had it 145-140 for Spinks

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In light of the passing of Hector Thompson I had checked out one of the few fights on him on youtube. I was a big fan of the exploits of Australia's Hector Thompson back in the day. Man, everytime I picked up a mag he had beaten another world class fighter. So unfortunate to come along at a time when his two title shots were against guys with the names Duran and Cervantes. Also unfortunate to have to live with the fact that two fighters passed away from injuries sustained in bouts with him. Anyways, he was beginning to slip around early '77 and this fight took place in late '78 and at welterweight where he didn't belong. But I still enjoyed seeing him in action.

Hector Thompson v Greg Stephens

Round 1: 10-9 Stephens
Round 2: 10-9 Stephens
Round 3: 10-9 Thompson
Round 4: 10-9 Stephens
Round 5: 10-9 Thompson
Round 6: 10-9 Stephens
Round 7: 10-7 Stephens (scores a knockdown and also the ref gives Thompson a standing eight count)
Round 8: 10-9 Thompson
Round 9: 10-9 Thompson
Round 10: 10-9 Thompson

Total: 95-93 Stephens (I'm fairly certain by the announcers that it was a 10 point must system in effect, but the ref immediately declared Stephens the winner as was also done in Britain, so he was obviously the sole judge and no score was announced)

I was yelling at the monitor for Thompson to 'get in there', as he seemed to waste a lot of time - at this stage of his game - that he could have been pounding the body. Still, I enjoyed the fight and the film was good quality.

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This fight is a must to see. Fighting Harada v Lionel Rose. 5 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 5-4 Rose
Round 2: 5-4 Rose
Round 3: 5-4 Harada
Round 4: 5-4 Harada
Round 5: 5-4 Rose
Round 6: 5-3 Harada (I felt Harada had won the round plus the referee penalized Rose a point for what appeared to be hitting with an open glove)
Round 7: 5-5 Even
Round 8: 5-4 Rose
Round 9: 5-3 Rose (scores a knockdown)
Round 10: 5-4 Rose
Round 11: 5-4 Rose
Round 12: 5-4 Rose
Round 13: 5-5 Even
Round 14: 5-4 Rose
Round 15: 5-4 Rose

Total: 71-64 Rose (official scores by 3 Japanese officials: 72-71, 72-70 and 72-69 all for Rose)

So we had the swarmer (Harada), who was slathering Rose with anything he could muster and whether it landed or not that was his game. However, this fight should be a template in catching that aggressor coming in. Wow! Rose was conservative with his punches for most of the fight but was so precise and pin-point that it was unbelievable for a fighter so young. Just a wonderful performance and an excellent gameplan. Kudos to Rose and his corner for devising and enacting an outstanding strategy against an all-time great bantamweight

[Seamus]

It was an outstanding fight. Here's my card from 2013


Lionel Rose vs Fighting Harada

R1.5-4 LR
R2.5-4 LR
R3.5-4 FH
R4.5-4 FH
R5.5-4 FH
R6.5-3 FH (1pt deducted from Rose for a rabbit punch)
R7.5-4 FH
R8.5-4 LR
R9.5-3 LR (Harada down)
R10.5-4 LR
R11.5-4 LR
R12.5-4 FH
R13.5-4 LR
R14.5-4 LR
R15.5-4 LR

Lionel Rose 68-65

Outstanding performance from Lionel Rose, to come from behind on the road after Harada looked to have taken control after the first seven rounds. Rose employed excellent footwork and a strong jab, and consistently caught the always aggressive Harada coming in, with hard counters. The performance of a lifetime for Rose.

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[Counter-puncher]

This fight is a must to see. Fighting Harada v Lionel Rose. 5 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 5-4 Rose
Round 2: 5-4 Rose
Round 3: 5-4 Harada
Round 4: 5-4 Harada
Round 5: 5-4 Rose
Round 6: 5-3 Harada (I felt Harada had won the round plus the referee penalized Rose a point for what appeared to be hitting with an open glove)
Round 7: 5-5 Even
Round 8: 5-4 Rose
Round 9: 5-3 Rose (scores a knockdown)
Round 10: 5-4 Rose
Round 11: 5-4 Rose
Round 12: 5-4 Rose
Round 13: 5-5 Even
Round 14: 5-4 Rose
Round 15: 5-4 Rose

Total: 71-64 Rose (official scores by 3 Japanese officials: 72-71, 72-70 and 72-69 all for Rose)

So we had the swarmer (Harada), who was slathering Rose with anything he could muster and whether it landed or not that was his game. However, this fight should be a template in catching that aggressor coming in. Wow! Rose was conservative with his punches for most of the fight but was so precise and pin-point that it was unbelievable for a fighter so young. Just a wonderful performance and an excellent gameplan. Kudos to Rose and his corner for devising and enacting an outstanding strategy against an all-time great bantamweight

When I see Rose I can’t help wondering where the heck his style came from. An aboriginal Aussie from presumably the back end of nowhere, and he boxes like one of those classic fifties guys like Charley Burley or something, the low left hand and high left shoulder, weight slightly back head off line, and the rolls and slips he pulls from there, the check hooks and uppercuts to the body on the inside, it’s like he’s a black guy straight out of some fifties gym in like Philly or wherever. That same super-relaxed style loose at the hips and shoulders, a beautiful boxer to watch, truly.

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Greg Richardson v Joichiro Tatsuyoshi


Round 1: 10-9 JT
Round 2: 10-9 JT
Round 3: 10-9 Richardson
Round 4: 10-9 JT
Round 5: 10-9 JT
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Richardson
Round 8: 10-8 JT (gave this a 10-8 because I felt JT battered Richardson well)
Round 9: 10-9 JT
Round 10: 10-9 JT
Round 11: Richardson is retired in his corner

Total (through 10 completed rounds): 98-92 Tatsuyoshi (actual scores: 97-92, 98-91 and 97-93 all for JT)

Taking nothing from Tatsuyoshi, but if Richardson fought Gaby Canizales this way rather than how he duked it out with him 2 years earlier, Gaby would have gone through him for a short cut. Actually, it does sound like I'm taking some luster from Tatsuyoshi's win, but I don't wish to be demeaning here. Tatsuyoshi fought a brilliant fight, battered Greg's body and left nothing to the judges. I came close to giving JT a 2 pointer in the 10th, but a lot of his battering was done after the bell rang where that inept Tony Perez allowed a real unnecessary beating to take place. All in all, a tremendous win for Joichiro Tatsuyoshi.

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I recently watched the Jeff Chandler v Gaby Canizales fight. Man, you never see too many fights where there is an outstanding champ against an absolutely outstanding challenger. Most challengers never get to that 'outstanding' status anymore because they're picked out of the bunch after 10 fights to fight for the title. This bout was a hard 15 rounder.

Round 1: 10-9 Chandler
Round 2: 10-9 Gaby
Round 3: 10-9 Gaby
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Gaby
Round 6: 10-9 Chandler
Round 7: 10-9 Chandler
Round 8: 10-9 Chandler
Round 9: 10-9 Chandler
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Chandler
Round 12: 10-9 Chandler
Round 13: 10-9 Gaby (best round)
Round 14: 10-9 Chandler
Round 15: 10-9 Chandler

Total: 146-141 Chandler (actual scores: 148-140, 145-141, 147-140 all for Chandler)

First of all, let me just say something about referee Tony Perez. This guy was poor. I recently watched the Greg Richardson v Joichiro Tatsuyoshi fight and there was a round there where he allowed Joichiro to batter Richardson after the bell because he didn't hear the bell. As opposed to the 2nd Ali-Frazier fight where he interrupted Ali after he hurt Frazier in the 2nd round because he thought he heard the bell. Well, in the 3rd round of this fight Gaby has Jeff against the ropes where he had really all of his success and one can see he throws 2 beautiful and accurate body shots that were legally right on the belt line and Perez pulls Gaby off to warn him for a low blow, which gave Jeff the opportunity to move to mid-ring once again. The moment lost, or should I say, the moment taken away.

OK, aside from my griping about Perez, this was a damn good fight between two outstanding fighters. Enjoy

[PredatorHayds]

Stracey-Napoles

8-10
10-9
10-8
9-10
10-9

Stracey stops him in the 6th.

Great performance from Stracey. Overcame the altitude, hatred from the Mexicans throughout the camp and a really heavy knock down in the first.
Napoles was such a good finisher but Stracey survived. He established his outstanding jab in the second and bust Napoles up.
Every time Napoles got in close Stracey manhandled him.
There’s even an Ali shuffle from Stracey in the 3rd.
One British boxing’s best ever moments.

[Seamus]

I actually watched that fight last night and saw it live on TV when it happened. Stracey looked like a goner in the 1st. I remember when I first saw it, thinking at the end "did he just stop Napoles ?".

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I was going to do a Bobby Chacon double-header here, but the video of his bout with Chucho Castillo was too murky. So here we go with Chacon v Alfredo Marcano for the vacant WBC featherweight title.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Marcano
Round 3: 10-9 Chacon
Round 4: 10-9 Chacon
Round 5: 10-9 Chacon
Round 6: 10-9 Marcano
Round 7: 10-9 Marcano
Round 8: 10-9 Chacon
Round 9: Chacon drops Marcano and the ref intervenes with Marcano in no shape to continue

Total (through 8 completed rounds): 77-76 Chacon (actual scores at TOS: 78-77, 78-75 and 78-76 all for Chacon)

I didn't think Marcano did too bad, but this was a fight of attrition and it wasn't until the 9th one could see Marcano beginning to fray at the ends. I think I heard somewhere that Marcano or his people thought Chacon was just a boy.

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Here's a great old grudge match. From the mid '80s Mark Kaylor v Errol Christie. Real bad blood between these two that boiled over at a press conference before the fight resulting in a hearing by the BBBC. Don't recall the outcome of the hearing - possibly a fine - but the end result was a great fight. I don't like scoring a fight outside the scoring process being used, so I'm going to assume 10-9 1/2 point margins for winner and loser of a round under British scoring at the time.

Round 1: Even (both fighters score knockdowns)
Round 2: Christie
Round 3: Christie (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: Kaylor
Round 5: Kaylor
Round 6: Kaylor
Round 7: Christie
Round 8: Kaylor drops Christie, who doesn't make it up in time

Total (after 7 completed rounds) 68 1/2 - 68 Christie

Despite Christie's slight lead after 7, one can see Kaylor's massive strength in clinches just taking over, although Christie's shots were still dangerous. But Kaylor wasn't fighting in spurts like Errol. He was fighting a steady war. An outstanding fight and the atmosphere had to be electric.

[Counter-puncher]

Electric is one way to put it, there were shall we say fairly clear racial undertones to the conflict between the boxers and their support. I don’t recall hearing about any major crowd trouble that night, if not it’s somewhat surprising, though IIRC the Christie support would have been outnumbered

But yeah, there was some proper Britain in the 80s racial tension bubbling away in this one

[oogiebe]

Frazier vs Foreman I

1st Round - 10-7 Foreman.

TKO 2.

There!

[Ambling Alp II]

A controversial scorecard if I ever saw one.

[tiny_acres]

Frazier vs Foreman I

1st Round - 10-7 Foreman.

TKO 2.

There!

Come on!!!!
Frazier might of been knocked down 37 times in the first round but that was a 10-10 round you asshat

[oogiebe]

Frazier vs Foreman I

1st Round - 10-7 Foreman.

TKO 2.

There!

Come on!!!!
Frazier might of been knocked down 37 times in the first round but that was a 10-10 round you asshat

[hhaehre]

Frazier vs Foreman I

1st Round - 10-7 Foreman.

TKO 2.

There!

Come on!!!!
Frazier might of been knocked down 37 times in the first round but that was a 10-10 round you asshat

Ali clearly won that round, despite being out of action for 37 years in the 60's

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Scored a real classic the other night. The 1953 Joey Giardello v Gil Turner fight. Oh, man, did they go at it. Wish the video was crisper, however. Scored on the rounds basis.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Giardello
Round 3: Turner
Round 4: Turner
Round 5: Turner
Round 6: Turner
Round 7: Giardello
Round 8: Giardello
Round 9: Giardello
Round 10: Giardello

Total: 5-4-1 Giardello (actual scores: 7-3, 5-3-2 and 7-2-1 all for Giardello)

The writeup I saw on this suggested the wheels came off Turner's chasis after a nasty right in the 7th, but I didn't agree with that. In fact, I think Turner upped his output after that, but so did Joey. Now, Joey wasn't sitting back just to counter, which made for a thrilling fight in the later rounds. Rounds 8 and 10 were exceptional.

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Every so often we come across a dud, and I did with this one. Eddie Mustafa Muhammad (still Eddie Gregory back then) against Jesse Burnett in a scheduled 10 rounder. Looked good on paper, but 9 rounds of one fighter waiting for the other fighter to do something.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Burnett
Round 3: 10-9 Gregory
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Gregory
Round 6: 10-9 Gregory
Round 7: 10-9 Burnett
Round 8: 10-9 Burnett
Round 9: 10-9 Gregory
Round 10: Gregory stops Burnett

Total (through 9 completed rounds): 87-86 Gregory

Man, what a listless fight. On top of that I'm sure I heard the announcing team of Ryan and Clancy say something to the effect that Gregory was a substitute for Victor Galindez who injured himself on a motorcycle. Burnett should have felt lucky. Showing up in the apparent poor condition he was in would have been an invite to murder against Galindez at that stage of the game. Anyways, best to avoid this fight.

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Juan Manuel Marquez v Joel Casamayor

It wasn't the slam-bang affair usually associated with JMM fights as their orthodox/southpaw styles caused a bit of clunking of heads and Casamayor liked to counter. His left was very adept. You'd rarely see an exchange that didn't end with a Casamayor left hook ending the exchange. Eventually JMM was finding the lead right getting home. But outside of the 11th round there wasn't a lot to write home about if you like pure action. But I did appreciate the skill-level of both fighters.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Casamayor
Round 3: 10-9 JMM
Round 4: 10-9 JMM
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 JMM
Round 7: 10-9 JMM
Round 8: 10-9 Casamayor
Round 9: 10-9 JMM
Round 10: 10-9 JMM
Round 11: JMM drops Casamayor twice and the ref stops the bout

Total (through 10 completed rounds): 98-94 JMM (actual scores 95-95, 95-95 and a 97-93 for JMM)

Before looking at the final scores I thought there was going to be some wildly differing scores here as most of these rounds were extremely tight and could have reasonably gone either way. Again, lacking in thrills and chills through 10 rounds but very good tactically.

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Placating my JMM fixation, I scored the Marquez - Pacquiao I fight today. This is the first time I've seen it since I saw it live back in '04 I believe. Back then I believe I had it a draw or maybe JMM by a point. Anyways, here we go.

Round 1: 10-6 Pac (scores 3 knockdowns)
Round 2: 10-9 Pac
Round 3: 10-9 JMM
Round 4: 10-9 Pac
Round 5: 10-9 JMM
Round 6: 10-9 JMM
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 JMM
Round 10: 10-9 Pac
Round 11: 10-9 JMM
Round 12: 10-9 JMM

Total: 114-113 Pac (actual scores: 115-110 Pac, 115-110 JMM and 113-113 Draw for a draw decision)

That was a mountain for JMM to climb after that first round and, although I had it for Pac by a point, I'm good with the Draw.

[Seamus]

Here's mine Scartissue

Manny Pacquiao v Juan Manuel Marquez I

R1.10-6 MP
R2.10-9 MP
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 JMM
R5.10-9 JMM
R6.10-9 JMM
R7.10-9 JMM
R8.10-9 JMM
R9.10-9 JMM
R10.10-10
R11.10-9 JMM
R12.10-9 MP

Juan Manuel Marquez 114-113

[margaret thatcher]

Round 1: 10-6 Pac
Round 2: 10-9 Pac
Round 3: 10-9 Pac
Round 4: 10-9 JMM
Round 5: 10-9 JMM
Round 6: 10-9 JMM
Round 7: 10-9 Pac
Round 8: 10-10 JMM
Round 9: 10-9 JMM
Round 10: 10-9 Pac
Round 11: 10-9 JMM
Round 12: 10-9 Pac

114-111 Pac