You call it nostalgia. I call it better fighters in better fights.
I don’t know. In the last 2 years we’ve had Tyson fury 1 and 2 and joshua getting battered by a pizza eater. Those fights buzzed me and I’m a cynical bastard. Can’t remember when Wlad Joshua was but that was pretty good too
2016
The 90's gave us the Holyfield vs Bowe trilogy, Foreman coming back at 45 to win the title, Ibeabuchi vs Tua, Holyfield vs Tyson 1 and 2, Lewis vs Mercer, Holyfield vs Bert Cooper, The biggest upset in the history of sports with Tyson vs Douglas
And quite a few other entertaining fights, and fighters.
You call it nostalgia. I call it better fighters in better fights.
There were so many mini rivalries going on in the nineties. Holy/Bowe; Holy/Tyson; Holy/Lewis. (holy shite!). You had Golota/Bowe; Lewis/Rahman; so many better fighters (see all the mentions). THe greatest upset in HW history (Tyson/Douglas). Big George's comeback to become oldest HW champ ever. I wouldn't rank today's division as even the third best. Maybe not fourth. It is competitive but not great. The only drama today is when does AJ face Fury. Or AJ face Wilder. What else is there?
Yes on everything except Lewis/Rahman. That was 2001.
The 90's gave us the Holyfield vs Bowe trilogy, Foreman coming back at 45 to win the title, Ibeabuchi vs Tua, Holyfield vs Tyson 1 and 2, Lewis vs Mercer, Holyfield vs Bert Cooper, The biggest upset in the history of sports with Tyson vs Douglas
And quite a few other entertaining fights, and fighters.
Yeah maybe I’m just thankful that the division is interesting after the klit snore years
It's definitely the most exciting it's been SINCE the 90's I don't think anybody would disagree with that. The main problem during the Klitschko era was just that there was really nobody that posed a big threat or really caught people's imagination as a contender. He never really had a defining big challenger to go up against. Just a bunch of decent wins over a long period of time.
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Jun 2020, 19:01 There were so many mini rivalries going on in the nineties. Holy/Bowe; Holy/Tyson; Holy/Lewis. (holy shite!). You had Golota/Bowe; Lewis/Rahman; so many better fighters (see all the mentions). THe greatest upset in HW history (Tyson/Douglas). Big George's comeback to become oldest HW champ ever. I wouldn't rank today's division as even the third best. Maybe not fourth. It is competitive but not great. The only drama today is when does AJ face Fury. Or AJ face Wilder. What else is there?
Yes on everything except Lewis/Rahman. That was 2001.
The last era feelt like it started after the Holmes-years since he was hated and people still have a grudge with him. And ended for me with Lewis retirement since he beat all names sort of. No oldies thou.
As mentioned it was full of all kinds of stories and weirdness. Hard to top really, but the real era before it was the one with Ali, Frazier and Foreman among others.
This started around 2017? Last one was in 85 and ended in 03 or 04. Going by decade makes things static and stupid in my head since eras overlap decades.
Great era and crazy in many ways. The only one sort of left is McCall... wtf?
This era got something going for it. The guys needs to make statements. Who have done it? The 4 top guys have. More are coming up and it might be a wild ride since this crop grown up in 90s and knows that at steak even it comes to legacy since the money is back in the game. Fingers crossed that we will get some huge fights down the line with Fury-Wilder 3 coming, and Chisora-Usyk not leaving out that AJ always brings it more or less at least he comes to win every time. Pulev ain't easy but he will be stopped before 3 by AJ.
Wondering wtf, Ruiz next move will be. And that the Joyce-Dubois also. Whyte has fight another inbetween fight with somebody around the Top 10 again. Should get a crack at Fury but, money is money and AJ brings in loads of it.
As long as relevant fights are made and more gems pops up it gonna be a good era that has started off well. Also, that Wlad-bastard is thinking about it. But nothing has happen there.
Solid so far, it has taken its time to get going. And nostaglia makes you forget loads of details around things that happend. Like the top 10 that is the only thing that matters other then we do have a lineal champr a guy who beat the guy on top of it.
Yes it is true that eras overlap. All of the key players of 90's Heavyweight Boxing were around in the late 80's, and many of them still around in the early 2000's.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jun 2020, 19:40
Yes it is true that eras overlap. All of the key players of 90's Heavyweight Boxing were around in the late 80's, and many of them still around in the early 2000's.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Jun 2020, 19:40
Yes it is true that eras overlap. All of the key players of 90's Heavyweight Boxing were around in the late 80's, and many of them still around in the early 2000's.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Jun 2020, 18:20
The 1990’s covers an entire decade.
And if you’re referring to now, then I assume you are asking us to comment on either the situation today or since the start of the year, which includes a global pandemic that prevented the sport from taking place.
Therefore, if my interpretation of your question is correct, then you shouldn’t have even bothered to waste people’s time by creating this thread in the first place.
You’re better than this, so you must try harder.
I would say the now can include the years setting the stage for the scene we have now as well as the present day.
I'd say the modern era as we know it started in about 2015 I suppose. That's when it officially became the Post-Wlad era.
The next few years to come can still indeed yield some memorable moments. We shall see.
Thanks for the clarification, I’ll respond tomorrow.
Shhhh wrote: ↑12 Jun 2020, 19:05
Yeah maybe I’m just thankful that the division is interesting after the klit snore years
It's definitely the most exciting it's been SINCE the 90's I don't think anybody would disagree with that. The main problem during the Klitschko era was just that there was really nobody that posed a big threat or really caught people's imagination as a contender. He never really had a defining big challenger to go up against. Just a bunch of decent wins over a long period of time.
Tyson Fury entered the rankings in 2011. I think he would have posed a major threat to Wladimir had they fought earlier say 2012 or 2013. The same with Deontay Wilder.
It's definitely the most exciting it's been SINCE the 90's I don't think anybody would disagree with that. The main problem during the Klitschko era was just that there was really nobody that posed a big threat or really caught people's imagination as a contender. He never really had a defining big challenger to go up against. Just a bunch of decent wins over a long period of time.
Tyson Fury entered the rankings in 2011. I think he would have posed a major threat to Wladimir had they fought earlier say 2012 or 2013. The same with Deontay Wilder.
I think Wilder picked the right time and opponent to make his move for a Heavyweight Title. In retrospect, yes it's possible Fury could've beaten Wlad earlier than he did.
The 90s was better no doubt, but it had one huge hole in it - Mike Tyson went missing, and left a vaccum behind, and then returned a different fighter.
Things got so bad that an overweight, long retired George Foreman was able to return and bring some perspective back despite boxing in slow motion.
He wasn't too far off knocking out a peak Evander Holyfield in 1991 and then went on to stop Moorer a few years later.
The 1970s was the era for judging heavyweight boxing against, (the 60s was mainly Clay/Ali delivering a sublime boxing masterclass).
The current scene is plagued with business preventing the big fights from happening. Otherwise, it could and should be great.
Can't even blame Covid either as the next biggie wasn't happening til Oct/Nov anyway.
By the time Joshua faces Wilder, if he ever does, Ali would have had a trilogy against both Frazier and Norton.
I think all this business / politics angle actually began in the 1990s as before then there was very little trouble in getting the big fights made.
Holyfield's career of the 90s alone was more exciting, than the current era up to the date.
Joshua isnt done and hes been in some thrillers
Yeah, this era isn't over yet. There even wasn't a fight to determine its true leader, which is Fury-Joshua bout. But for the current moment the 90s are clearly filled with more exciting fights.
Still thou, this era is young and we haven't seen all of the best fighting the best as of yet. But if the money is right, this will be awesome but still depending on well... the fights that comes out of it.
Right now, by going by stats like EO in great fights, it has a tallorder to pass over the Tyson-Holyfield-Lewis era. But, it has started with some great fights. Need to check how many fights of the year and so on. Like what is it, two of them against one? But, still many classics.
Im postive and being in the minority of the rest of you cynical bastards.
There were so many mini rivalries going on in the nineties. Holy/Bowe; Holy/Tyson; Holy/Lewis. (holy shite!). You had Golota/Bowe; Lewis/Rahman; so many better fighters (see all the mentions). THe greatest upset in HW history (Tyson/Douglas). Big George's comeback to become oldest HW champ ever. I wouldn't rank today's division as even the third best. Maybe not fourth. It is competitive but not great. The only drama today is when does AJ face Fury. Or AJ face Wilder. What else is there?
