Is it time for super heavyweight division?

[Paci]

So far no new ones has been added. And if it happens my money is it either gonna be the WBC with some BS.

Nothing has happend over the years other then that the CW changed. Not seen any new one since the f*cking start if the 00's at least. Or was it the 90s? Can't remember for sure or bother with checking it out for now.

The IBA or what its called started something called Supercrusier and heavy that was.... like nobody I can name on top of my head, but at least they had Butterbean as champ in superheavy fighting 4 rounders for the belt against cans and non-hopers. Do love boxing.

[Paci]

If you want to get your point across in an argument short, concise, points that make people think work. Long drawn out arguments make people suspicious, bored, and less likely to read your conclusion

In other words your long posts make you the loser in darn near everyones estimation. I think you usually do have a reasonable point but you lose it in your dreadful arguments

You’re being silly, because not only can you read, but you also know the reality of the situation.

My posts are usually lengthy, because I often cite real-world stats that support my compelling argument.

This motivates a certain set of individuals to resort to ad hominem or straw man debating tactics, because they’re usually powerless to challenge what I’ve written.

Even when some of my responses are concise, others still resort to dishonest debating tactics.

It’s because people would prefer to portray me as being “WRONG” rather than revising their own opinions in light of the real-world facts I’ve supplied.

Case in point, people believe that size is irrelevant in the heavyweight division, despite my lengthy set of stats from the last twenty years clearly proving otherwise.

Stop overwriting your posts. No wordssallads I give you that but they are long and dry as fu'ck.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I tried to help but when a halfwit is convinced hes a genius hes not going to listen

[Paci]

I tried to help but when a halfwit is convinced hes a genius hes not going to listen

Being right all the time is the worst way to learn.

[gilgamesh]

I don't want you to defend the argument that the Super Heavyweight or Super Cruiserweight division should exist.

I want to open your eyes to the fact that it's a God awful idea, and should never be spoken of or talked about again.

It would be the ruin of the sport.

Is your reluctance for introducing a new “super cruiserweight” division (i.e. 200lbs to 225lbs), based on your general frustration about boxing having far too many weight classes?

I’d personally be overjoyed if the powers that be somehow abolished many of the lighter weight classes, because divisions separated by 3lbs to 4lbs increments just seems like utter nonsense to me.

That being said, using the stats from the last decade or so, if you’re a heavyweight fighter that can’t physically make the 200lbs limit effectively, but also can’t compete against much bigger opponents weighing 245lbs or more, due to being too small, then you’d be in no mans land.

And any new “super cruiserweight” division would fill that void, whilst having very little impact on today’s big men.

I believe I've explained my opposition to it several times already.

I oppose the idea because it's a slap in the face to every great Heavyweight Champion there's ever been. It's a slap in the face to the sport itself. It's a slap in the face to the fighters that compete in it. It's a slap in the face to the fans of it.

I'd rather see Boxing completely cease to exist than to create a Super Cruiserweight division. If you're gonna piss on the sports corpse. Just bury it already.

[oogiebe]

I tried to help but when a halfwit is convinced hes a genius hes not going to listen

Being right all the time is the worst way to learn.

My dad used to say you can't teach someone who knows everything. I wish there was a limit on characters in these f'n posts. I skip the long drawn out ones most of the time. Not very difficult to be concise.

[margaret thatcher]

Wonder what dude would be like on twitter

[Enlightened-One]

Stop overwriting your posts. No wordssallads I give you that but they are long and dry as fu'ck.

You’re not going to win any debate against me, if I’ve performed a lot of research and you don’t provide any figures of your own.

Your opinion isn’t fact if it isn’t supported by real-world evidence.

And before you ask, opinions aren’t proof.

Insults are merely an admission of defeat, because all you’re doing is abandoning the debate, because you can’t even defend your own stance.

[oogiebe]

Stop overwriting your posts. No wordssallads I give you that but they are long and dry as fu'ck.

You’re not going to win any debate against me, if I’ve performed a lot of research and you don’t provide any figures of your own.

Your opinion isn’t fact if it isn’t supported by real-world evidence.

And before you ask, opinions aren’t proof.

Insults are merely an admission of defeat, because all you’re doing is abandoning the debate, because you can’t even defend your own stance.

This is an open forum. Most of us have strong opinions, including you. There is nothing in the world that can prove athletes of different eras being better or not better than others. Nothing that proves that size is always an advantage, etc. If that were the case, then no one needs to participate in any competitive endeavor. We'll just know so why bother. Paci gave you advice that you've been given before. Don't you want to be taken seriously? Don't you want your "research" to at least be appreciated? C'mon man. Deep down you know you want acceptance. I know you can do it.

[margaret thatcher]

If you type this 5 times Ginny Fuchs will come suck your d!ck :

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[lazboy]

Being right all the time is the worst way to learn.

My dad used to say you can't teach someone who knows everything. I wish there was a limit on characters in these f'n posts. I skip the long drawn out ones most of the time. Not very difficult to be concise.

I also like: "If you're not listening, you're not learning."

I've got to be honest here, I have him on ignore for now but EO's an interesting and complex case. Imagine him thrown in the big brother house, for example. Imagine the drama; I'd watch.

Here's a quick summary of his behavior. He slightly tweaks his responses as the "debate" goes on. It makes it difficult to follow what he's actually saying as he's not even sure what key point(s) he's making or he's being deceitful. I'd say it's a mix of the two. So he is somewhat listening; although he'll never admit it and claim he argued the tweak from the onset. In that way you could say EO concedes a lot of his arguments.

For example, Andy 'Fat' Ruiz beats Sonny Liston because size matters; get tweaked to: a good bigger fighter generally beats a good small fighter. Now the second sentence is what people have been saying all along. It's an old boxing saying and basically common sense among fans. Things get a bit more complicated when you are talking about great fighters and it's safe to say Liston is a heavyweight great.

Of course, given it's a fantasy match-up, there are going to be differing opinions and many variables to consider. Unfortunately EO doesn't understand the concept of an opinion and/or a hypothesis, this causes a lot of issues for him, aside from being generally narrow minded.

He's a big waste of time, just like big brother, but sometimes we need distractions from life. I hope this has given him the confidence to submit the big brother application, the world outside boxrec is ready to see EO.

[Enlightened-One]

This is an open forum. Most of us have strong opinions, including you. There is nothing in the world that can prove athletes of different eras being better or not better than others. Nothing that proves that size is always an advantage, etc. If that were the case, then no one needs to participate in any competitive endeavor. We'll just know so why bother. Paci gave you advice that you've been given before. Don't you want to be taken seriously? Don't you want your "research" to at least be appreciated? C'mon man. Deep down you know you want acceptance. I know you can do it.

I don’t resort to insults as my main debating tactic.

I provide facts, which often results in lengthy posts.

People have a right to ignore them.

The forum even provides features to prevent fellow forum members from even seeing them.

That being said, people don’t have any right to undermine the factual accuracy of my posts if they won’t perform any research of their own or if they can’t cite any real-world proof that supports their own counter argument.

If people want to “hate” me, then so be it.

If people refuse to believe reality, that is accurately reflected by my posts, then that’s perfectly fine also.

However, people can’t pretend that I’m wrong, simply because their opinion disagrees with real-world objective facts.

If someone feels compelled to “hate” me, because historical and current reality, which I have no control over, opposes their views... then they only have themselves to blame.

What is interesting is that those that complain about my posts, either because they’re too wordy or they oppose their own views, never ignore them, despite promising that they will.

Do you want to know the reason why? It’s because they have a deep-seated desire for someone else to invest time and effort to answer a question they’d like to know.

[Paci]

Stop overwriting your posts. No wordssallads I give you that but they are long and dry as fu'ck.

You’re not going to win any debate against me, if I’ve performed a lot of research and you don’t provide any figures of your own.

Your opinion isn’t fact if it isn’t supported by real-world evidence.

And before you ask, opinions aren’t proof.

Insults are merely an admission of defeat, because all you’re doing is abandoning the debate, because you can’t even defend your own stance.

We have different outlooks on things. Why should one care about winning "debates". Not why Im here anyway.

I give you kudos and Im harsh at the same time. Im not agreeing with you on the soluation on adding and creating more classes to a already flooded numbers of divisions. But one do just accept it bitterly that it is how the sport looks like for now.

And chill, dude.

[oogiebe]

My dad used to say you can't teach someone who knows everything. I wish there was a limit on characters in these f'n posts. I skip the long drawn out ones most of the time. Not very difficult to be concise.

I also like: "If you're not listening, you're not learning."

I've got to be honest here, I have him on ignore for now but EO's an interesting and complex case. Imagine him thrown in the big brother house, for example. Imagine the drama; I'd watch.

Here's a quick summary of his behavior. He slightly tweaks his responses as the "debate" goes on. It makes it difficult to follow what he's actually saying as he's not even sure what key point(s) he's making or he's being deceitful. I'd say it's a mix of the two. So he is somewhat listening; although he'll never admit it and claim he argued the tweak from the onset. In that way you could say EO concedes a lot of his arguments.

For example, Andy 'Fat' Ruiz beats Sonny Liston because size matters; get tweaked to: a good bigger fighter generally beats a good small fighter. Now the second sentence is what people have been saying all along. It's an old boxing saying and basically common sense among fans. Things get a bit more complicated when you are talking about great fighters and it's safe to say Liston is a heavyweight great.

Of course, given it's a fantasy match-up, there are going to be differing opinions and many variables to consider. Unfortunately EO doesn't understand the concept of an opinion and/or a hypothesis, this causes a lot of issues for him, aside from being generally narrow minded.

He's a big waste of time, just like big brother, but sometimes we need distractions from life. I hope this has given him the confidence to submit the big brother application, the world outside boxrec is ready to see EO.

That's what he does. I thought I was the only one that noticed that particular one. I had him on ignore, but he's like a trainwreck. You just can't turn away. "I dare you to challenge my claim!" LMFAO!

[Enlightened-One]

I also like: "If you're not listening, you're not learning."

I've got to be honest here, I have him on ignore for now but EO's an interesting and complex case. Imagine him thrown in the big brother house, for example. Imagine the drama; I'd watch.

Here's a quick summary of his behavior. He slightly tweaks his responses as the "debate" goes on. It makes it difficult to follow what he's actually saying as he's not even sure what key point(s) he's making or he's being deceitful. I'd say it's a mix of the two. So he is somewhat listening; although he'll never admit it and claim he argued the tweak from the onset. In that way you could say EO concedes a lot of his arguments.

For example, Andy 'Fat' Ruiz beats Sonny Liston because size matters; get tweaked to: a good bigger fighter generally beats a good small fighter. Now the second sentence is what people have been saying all along. It's an old boxing saying and basically common sense among fans. Things get a bit more complicated when you are talking about great fighters and it's safe to say Liston is a heavyweight great.

Of course, given it's a fantasy match-up, there are going to be differing opinions and many variables to consider. Unfortunately EO doesn't understand the concept of an opinion and/or a hypothesis, this causes a lot of issues for him, aside from being generally narrow minded.

He's a big waste of time, just like big brother, but sometimes we need distractions from life. I hope this has given him the confidence to submit the big brother application, the world outside boxrec is ready to see EO.

That's what he does. I thought I was the only one that noticed that particular one. I had him on ignore, but he's like a trainwreck. You just can't turn away. "I dare you to challenge my claim!" LMFAO!

Quote my words and I’ll defend them.

Quote something else, and everyone should consider them as lies.

[oogiebe]

That's what he does. I thought I was the only one that noticed that particular one. I had him on ignore, but he's like a trainwreck. You just can't turn away. "I dare you to challenge my claim!" LMFAO!

Quote my words and I’ll defend them.

Quote something else, and everyone should consider them as lies.

Sit back down. Adults are talking.

[Enlightened-One]

I also like: "If you're not listening, you're not learning."

I've got to be honest here, I have him on ignore for now but EO's an interesting and complex case. Imagine him thrown in the big brother house, for example. Imagine the drama; I'd watch.

Here's a quick summary of his behavior. He slightly tweaks his responses as the "debate" goes on. It makes it difficult to follow what he's actually saying as he's not even sure what key point(s) he's making or he's being deceitful. I'd say it's a mix of the two. So he is somewhat listening; although he'll never admit it and claim he argued the tweak from the onset. In that way you could say EO concedes a lot of his arguments.

For example, Andy 'Fat' Ruiz beats Sonny Liston because size matters; get tweaked to: a good bigger fighter generally beats a good small fighter. Now the second sentence is what people have been saying all along. It's an old boxing saying and basically common sense among fans. Things get a bit more complicated when you are talking about great fighters and it's safe to say Liston is a heavyweight great.

Of course, given it's a fantasy match-up, there are going to be differing opinions and many variables to consider. Unfortunately EO doesn't understand the concept of an opinion and/or a hypothesis, this causes a lot of issues for him, aside from being generally narrow minded.

He's a big waste of time, just like big brother, but sometimes we need distractions from life. I hope this has given him the confidence to submit the big brother application, the world outside boxrec is ready to see EO.

That's what he does. I thought I was the only one that noticed that particular one. I had him on ignore, but he's like a trainwreck. You just can't turn away. "I dare you to challenge my claim!" LMFAO!

If it was easy to disprove the words I actually write, then you’d do so without fear.

But you can’t even do something so simple, can you?

Is it because it’s easier to criticise than it is to prove someone wrong?

[oogiebe]

That's what he does. I thought I was the only one that noticed that particular one. I had him on ignore, but he's like a trainwreck. You just can't turn away. "I dare you to challenge my claim!" LMFAO!

If it was easy to disprove the words I actually write, then you’d do so without fear.

But you can’t even do something so simple, can you?

Is it because it’s easier to criticise than it is to prove someone wrong?

You have got to be a come on.

[margaret thatcher]

oh lawdy the fear!!!

[oogiebe]

oh lawdy the fear!!!

[margaret thatcher]

I wake up in the middle of night, heart racing and covered in sweat, from the nightmare that I have to read an entire EO post --every single word---from start to finish

[lazboy]

I wake up in the middle of night, heart racing and covered in sweat, from the nightmare that I have to read an entire EO post --every single word---from start to finish

You fear the facts! You must read the facts! If you read all the facts you cannot possibly refute EO! For example, only 33% of the media thought Canelo deserved to lose to Lara. This is a fact! There's nothing more you could possibly say! It is irrefutable, as you must quote his words and his words are facts!

[Paci]

Open weight is way cooler. Since small fries like me can have a go at the giants. Might die but I didn't dodge him in a double meaning

[oogiebe]

I wake up in the middle of night, heart racing and covered in sweat, from the nightmare that I have to read an entire EO post --every single word---from start to finish

You fear the facts! You must read the facts! If you read all the facts you cannot possibly refute EO! For example, only 33% of the media thought Canelo deserved to lose to Lara. This is a fact! There's nothing more you could possibly say! It is irrefutable, as you must quote his words and his words are facts!

Oh yeah! That was classic!

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- I vote for the creation of the super duper dumb topic forum where our notoriously pedantic infant terribles can be isolated much like the mythical fights ADD guy was.

Joe Greene vs Bennie Goodnight, who you got?

Super Weinie division vs Jr Weinie division?

Superheavy Rump vs Barracuda Biten?