Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
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Funny how you never heard Benn, Eubank or Roy Jones ranking themselves above Hagler, Hearns or Leonard. It's disrespect to a previous generation who paved the way. Froch has some audacity alright
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Isaax wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 19:49 I don't think Carl stands a prayer with Eubank, Watson or Benn. That kind of primed power/speed/youth with better fundamentals than Dirrell IE Benn and Watson both always came back with another shot if one missed, such was their balance, Benn chin down bobbing and weaving and Watsons gloves brought up fast to cup sides of forehead. Eubank moved head deftly, punched short/compact (apart from the odd cricket throwing right!ha).etc
Froch is most like Collins from that era. Collins had the better chin of the two, I think, although Froch had the better reach and combinations. That would have been a fight for the ages.
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I still maintain that's the worst decision I have ever seen in a title fight in the UK.....- although in hindsight it still is Barnes vs Vincent, with McDermott vs Fury also up there.
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He's even more overrated at 60.Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 13:09 People get a proper hard on for Toney, but what did he do at super middle to be rated above Calzaghe or Froch.
He didn't stay there long enough to be considered a great super middle.
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He had Nunn.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 03:20Nunn doesn't belong in the top 10. I can't think of a significant win he had at 68.
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Wee Tommy wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 09:08He had Nunn.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 03:20
Nunn doesn't belong in the top 10. I can't think of a significant win he had at 68.
This is driving me nuts, it's a rare occasion I gotta look it up.
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OK, Cordoba x2, Sosa, Ashley & scully.
Lost to liles, no shame there. Really bad loss to little.
And that rates him above ward and froch. Lol, he isn't top 20.
Ahh, it's the same poster. Makes more sense. Lmao, calzaghe too.
Lost to liles, no shame there. Really bad loss to little.
And that rates him above ward and froch. Lol, he isn't top 20.
Ahh, it's the same poster. Makes more sense. Lmao, calzaghe too.
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Nunn was simply the better. Looked as good as ever against Booker. Thought he beat Liles past his best. We know how good he was.
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Froch is boxings David Brent 
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*Yonker sorry not Booker
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Tyson was commentating on Nunn-Yonker saying Nunn was still clearly one of the best boxers around
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Good for him. That doesn't change his abysmal resume in the weight class. You're trolling anyway. 
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Cordoba, Ashley and Sosa were considered far too much of livewires for Chris Eubank. Dangerous awkward lively avoided
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Nunn is top 3 for this guy. I'm actually shocked how little he did after toney. I think the toney lust is fueling the Nunn overrating.
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His record stands up much better at middle, Starling, Curry, Tate, Barkley and Kalumby
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If you are looking at talent, potential and what might have been.......... Maybe!Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 16:36Nunn is top 3 for this guy. I'm actually shocked how little he did after toney. I think the toney lust is fueling the Nunn overrating.
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He was a very good middle. Even tilting all that in his favor he's still gonna be behind Jones, calzaghe & ward.Coco wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 16:39If you are looking at talent, potential and what might have been.......... Maybe!Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Jun 2020, 16:36
Nunn is top 3 for this guy. I'm actually shocked how little he did after toney. I think the toney lust is fueling the Nunn overrating.
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Based on the fact Nunn was simply better than Calzaghe, Ward and even Roy.
(BTW Cordoba and Sosa were better than anyone Calzaghe beat between Eubank and Kessler.
better than Beyer, Andrade and Froch.
better than Byrd, lw post neck surgery Paz, post shoulder surgery Thornton, a shot Sosa himself or whoever else.)
I'd have Nunn at his v best beating anyone at the weight.
(BTW Cordoba and Sosa were better than anyone Calzaghe beat between Eubank and Kessler.
better than Beyer, Andrade and Froch.
better than Byrd, lw post neck surgery Paz, post shoulder surgery Thornton, a shot Sosa himself or whoever else.)
I'd have Nunn at his v best beating anyone at the weight.
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Re: Carl Froch's Top Five Super-Middleweights Of All Time
That's where you keeping losing your way, Nunn has no best at 68.
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He looked fabulous against Yonker, Ashley, Cordoba II
Beat Liles according to most, at his worst
Beat Liles according to most, at his worst
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And what does smw really mean anyway? It was only created in 1988 for mw's moving up. Back in the day smw and mw were the same thing, the 'resumes' combined
So shouldn't the list be purely career swm's who started there, eliminating Roy because he did nothing at the weight and did more at mw v Castro, Hopkins and Tate who were considered challenges
We all know Toney ate himself out of contention to beat Roy
So shouldn't the list be purely career swm's who started there, eliminating Roy because he did nothing at the weight and did more at mw v Castro, Hopkins and Tate who were considered challenges
We all know Toney ate himself out of contention to beat Roy
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I'm sorry, that doesnt make any sense. Sm is the division we're discussing.
Toney was never good enough to beat Roy. I knew he'd lose every Rd. Very good, but overrated, fighter.
Toney was never good enough to beat Roy. I knew he'd lose every Rd. Very good, but overrated, fighter.