Mike Tyson: Rounds Lost During "Prime"

[Ghost Town Ghost]

I was looking through the records here on BoxRec and noticed Tyson seems to have lost relatively few rounds during what I consider his peak years ('85 - '89). Any Tyson fans out there that know roughly the % of rounds he lost during this time? I started thinking I was looking at Pernell Whitaker's record for a sec lol.

Does Tyson get enough credit for rounds he OFFICIALLY won? This seems to get overlooked often, especially if someone gave a "brave" performance, which always seems to be pointed out to his detriment, instead of being used to show how great he was.

[Onetimeonly]

I'm going to steer clear of the when his prime ended argument.

Tillis won 4 rounds

I don't think anything is overlooked about his dominant stretch. Then comes the excuses.

[Ghost Town Ghost]

I think Holyfield beat the last of the prime outta Tyson. But I don't hear the amount of rounds won during the years I mentioned to his credit. in the same way as say Whitaker or Jones Jr get recognized for it.

[gilgamesh]

Well he lost a f*ck ton of rounds to Buster Douglas. I thought he lost about 3 or 4 to Tillis like Saad said. I'm sure Ruddock took at least a handful of rounds against him over 2 fights, though I've honestly never watched those particular Tyson fights, but I imagine there had to be something about 'em that made 'em do 2 of 'em.

Bonecrusher Smith pretty much just held on and survived, but Tony Tucker might've taken a few rounds in there.

Between these, and maybe a few other rounds I'm forgetting.

Maybe 25, 30. Somewhere in there.

[Ghost Town Ghost]

I was just wondering on the % during those years I mentioned. It seems Tyson fans never mention how few rounds he lost in that time period, but seem to know every detail about is power, speed, KO's, etc.

I don't usually do lists of ranking ATG boxers, but I think Tyson would come in somewhere around 12th in the HW division, off the top of my head.

[DrDuke]

Pinklon Thomas was looking good enough to give him a round or two, as far as I remember. I also remember Frank Bruno rocking Tyson a bit in the first, but I don't remember, if his overall performance in that round was better than Tyson's.

[Ghost Town Ghost]

Pinklon Thomas was looking good enough to give him a round or two, as far as I remember. I also remember Frank Bruno rocking Tyson a bit in the first, but I don't remember, if his overall performance in that round was better than Tyson's.

This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about, the Bruno shot that 'rocked' Tyson - that is bullcrap to me, it just stopped him for a millisecond. These things get so overblown just because it was Tyson, if it were another fighter it would just be a decent shot that landed, nothing more.

[Onetimeonly]

I think Holyfield beat the last of the prime outta Tyson. But I don't hear the amount of rounds won during the years I mentioned to his credit. in the same way as say Whitaker or Jones Jr get recognized for it.

His prime ended when he went to jail. Those guys, especially Whitaker, were beating better fighters and Mike got tons of credit. Most people don't even know he was an average infighter who held bone crusher almost as much as bone crusher held him.

[Onetimeonly]

Well he lost a f*ck ton of rounds to Buster Douglas. I thought he lost about 3 or 4 to Tillis like Saad said. I'm sure Ruddock took at least a handful of rounds against him over 2 fights, though I've honestly never watched those particular Tyson fights, but I imagine there had to be something about 'em that made 'em do 2 of 'em.

Bonecrusher Smith pretty much just held on and survived, but Tony Tucker might've taken a few rounds in there.

Between these, and maybe a few other rounds I'm forgetting.

Maybe 25, 30. Somewhere in there.

Really? The Ruddock fights are his two best bouts. Razor won a good 6 rds, but that was outside the time frame.

[gilgamesh]

Well he lost a f*ck ton of rounds to Buster Douglas. I thought he lost about 3 or 4 to Tillis like Saad said. I'm sure Ruddock took at least a handful of rounds against him over 2 fights, though I've honestly never watched those particular Tyson fights, but I imagine there had to be something about 'em that made 'em do 2 of 'em.

Bonecrusher Smith pretty much just held on and survived, but Tony Tucker might've taken a few rounds in there.

Between these, and maybe a few other rounds I'm forgetting.

Maybe 25, 30. Somewhere in there.

Really? The Ruddock fights are his two best bouts. Razor won a good 6 rds, but that was outside the time frame.

Not to me it wasn't. He'd never been to Prison yet, and he was still in his early 20's. If he was past his prime for Ruddock, then everybody that's currently a name in the sport is past their prime apparently.

[Onetimeonly]

Really? The Ruddock fights are his two best bouts. Razor won a good 6 rds, but that was outside the time frame.

Not to me it wasn't. He'd never been to Prison yet, and he was still in his early 20's. If he was past his prime for Ruddock, then everybody that's currently a name in the sport is past their prime apparently.

As I said. I'm not having that argument again. Doesn't mean I won't answer a question.

[Ghost Town Ghost]

I think Holyfield beat the last of the prime outta Tyson. But I don't hear the amount of rounds won during the years I mentioned to his credit. in the same way as say Whitaker or Jones Jr get recognized for it.

His prime ended when he went to jail. Those guys, especially Whitaker, were beating better fighters and Mike got tons of credit. Most people don't even know he was an average infighter who held bone crusher almost as much as bone crusher held him.

I could care less about Tyson holding other fighters. He does not get enough recognition for what I started the thread about.

[Onetimeonly]

His prime ended when he went to jail. Those guys, especially Whitaker, were beating better fighters and Mike got tons of credit. Most people don't even know he was an average infighter who held bone crusher almost as much as bone crusher held him.

I could care less about Tyson holding other fighters. He does not get enough recognition for what I started the thread about.

Couldn't, you couldn't care less. You didn't start the thread about how it drives you crazy when people say stuff like Bruno 'rocked' him either. Sometimes other points come out.

[bwu]

All this is based on my feeble memory from decades ago, but here goes. Bear in mind, I think his prime was 1986-1989.

Thomas did seem to win a few. Tucker took some and the first round was particularly good for him. Holmes might’ve won one. Tubbs probably won the first round against Tyson. I think those assessments are generous.

[gilgamesh]

All this is based on my feeble memory from decades ago, but here goes. Bear in mind, I think his prime was 1986-1989.

Thomas did seem to win a few. Tucker took some and the first round was particularly good for him. Holmes might’ve won one. Tubbs probably won the first round against Tyson. I think those assessments are generous.

This premise of "His prime ended when he wasn't good enough to win a fight" is bullsh*t.

He was in his prime years when Douglas whipped that ass.

[Onetimeonly]

Need another Tyson prime thread? Why? What's wrong with talking about the timeframe he wants?

[Ghost Town Ghost]

I could care less about Tyson holding other fighters. He does not get enough recognition for what I started the thread about.

Couldn't, you couldn't care less. You didn't start the thread about how it drives you crazy when people say stuff like Bruno 'rocked' him either. Sometimes other points come out.

lol ok, couldn't then.

It doesn't drive me crazy when people say that stuff, do you think he was rocked or just stopped for a second? Oh and BTW ty for pointing out Tyson's prime ended when he went to jail, I made a mistake there, and agree with you.

[Onetimeonly]

Couldn't, you couldn't care less. You didn't start the thread about how it drives you crazy when people say stuff like Bruno 'rocked' him either. Sometimes other points come out.

lol ok, couldn't then.

It doesn't drive me crazy when people say that stuff, do you think he was rocked or just stopped for a second?

He just caught a flush shot. He was fine.

[bwu]

All this is based on my feeble memory from decades ago, but here goes. Bear in mind, I think his prime was 1986-1989.

Thomas did seem to win a few. Tucker took some and the first round was particularly good for him. Holmes might’ve won one. Tubbs probably won the first round against Tyson. I think those assessments are generous.

This premise of "His prime ended when he wasn't good enough to win a fight" is bullsh*t.

He was in his prime years when Douglas whipped that ass.

Calm down. I certainly didn't say he wasn't good enough to win a fight. After '89, he beat Tillman, Stewart, Ruddock, Bruno, Mathis, Seldon, Golota Nielsen and Botha, among others. He picked up a couple of titles along the way.

However, in my view, after '89 there was significant decline in his head movement, body attack, defense and overall intensity. He seemed to move more toward the strategy of trying to finish fights with one shot.

I stand by my statements. Now lighten up.

[Ghost Town Ghost]

He just caught a flush shot. He was fine.
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Exactly. But if it was Holyfield that got hit by that shot, and went on to win the round, people would talk about how great his chin was and how much of a warrior he was.

[Onetimeonly]

Boo-hoo

I thought it was at the end of the round. Don't remember much about it. No interest in watching it, but you just have to deal with the fact is the real deal is Mike's daddy.

Nobody would have made a big deal out of anyone doing that
You yourself said he wasn't hurt. No big deal.

[Ghost Town Ghost]

Boo-hoo

I thought it was at the end of the round. Don't remember much about it. No interest in watching it, but you just have to deal with the fact is the real deal is Mike's daddy.

Nobody would have made a big deal out of anyone doing that
You yourself said he wasn't hurt. No big deal.

You are reading things into what I'm saying OTO. I am an Evander fan much more so that Tyson, and feel he is easily the greater fighter and would have whipped Mike in his prime.

What I am getting at is that Tyson supporters seem to never mention the amount of rounds he won between 85 - 89, and was wondering if anyone had done the homework on the percentages.

[Onetimeonly]

Boo-hoo

I thought it was at the end of the round. Don't remember much about it. No interest in watching it, but you just have to deal with the fact is the real deal is Mike's daddy.

Nobody would have made a big deal out of anyone doing that
You yourself said he wasn't hurt. No big deal.

You are reading things into what I'm saying OTO. I am an Evander fan much more so that Tyson, and feel he is easily the greater fighter and would have whipped Mike in his prime.

What I am getting at is that Tyson supporters seem to never mention the amount of rounds he won between 85 - 89, and was wondering if anyone had done the homework on the percentages.

I read it the first time and fully understood it. I've never done my homework on any fighters round winning percentage and I've written hundreds of blogs/articles.

[Onetimeonly]

I'll take a look. At least it's a new thread.

[Onetimeonly]

From 86-89 he lost 29 official rounds.,(all 3 judges)