Calzaghe says he would've beaten Ward

[Boxingguru75]

I never seen anyone say Hopkins won that fight before. Not much of a knock down. Great fighters should say they think they would win. Ward is an incredibly difficult out. Tough tough fight. Ask Froch.

[margaret thatcher]

I'd give ward the edge, but not Froch.

Calzaghe was incredibly tough, and his workrate was phenomenal, he could be outboxed, but only by slick operators, and that's not Carl at all. I think it would be similar to the Calzaghe v Kessler fight, with Calzaghe winning relatively comfortably.

Well, I'd say, Froch was better than Kessler. Even his loss to Kessler was debatable.

Debatable but I had him losing, surely not a bogus decision. I think Froch and Kessler were very close in their level

[margaret thatcher]

Ward would outsmart Calzaghe. He would spoil the fight enough to neutralize Joe. And I also pick Froch over Calzaghe.

What would Froch do to beat Cal? I think Froch is made for Cal, Froch's biggest strengths are in areas Cal had plenty himself, like stamina and recovery. Cal is also much faster and a better boxer, better movement etc, which allowed him to comfortably neutralize a Kessler who then beat Froch 2.5 years after

When people say fROCh wins, like EO, they just list resume stats, but fights aren't won by bringing your resume to the ring and sitting to compare it. Besides , did Froch really beat anyone definitely better than prime Kess or Hopkins? He did beat end of the line, f@cked up retina Kess, that's true...

[brilo33]

Ward would outsmart Calzaghe. He would spoil the fight enough to neutralize Joe. And I also pick Froch over Calzaghe.

What would Froch do to beat Cal? I think Froch is made for Cal, Froch's biggest strengths are in areas Cal had plenty himself, like stamina and recovery. Cal is also much faster and a better boxer, better movement etc, which allowed him to comfortably neutralize a Kessler who then beat Froch 2.5 years after

When people say fROCh wins, like EO, they just list resume stats, but fights aren't won by bringing your resume to the ring and sitting to compare it. Besides , did Froch really beat anyone definitely better than prime Kess or Hopkins?

draw him in to a centre of the ring to fight, joe had a big ego,could of a traded but that isnt is no guarantee joe is tough man too

[margaret thatcher]

Ya, Joe had great recovery and engine himself, he's not the type to get ground down and exhausted by Froch

[brilo33]

Ya, Joe had great recovery and engine himself, he's not the type to get ground down and exhausted by Froch

exactly i mean top joe v carl going joe every day

[DrDuke]

Ward would outsmart Calzaghe. He would spoil the fight enough to neutralize Joe. And I also pick Froch over Calzaghe.

What would Froch do to beat Cal? I think Froch is made for Cal, Froch's biggest strengths are in areas Cal had plenty himself, like stamina and recovery. Cal is also much faster and a better boxer, better movement etc, which allowed him to comfortably neutralize a Kessler who then beat Froch 2.5 years after

When people say fROCh wins, like EO, they just list resume stats, but fights aren't won by bringing your resume to the ring and sitting to compare it. Besides , did Froch really beat anyone definitely better than prime Kess or Hopkins? He did beat end of the line, f@cked up retina Kess, that's true...

I just think, that Froch was a too good fighter. He truly was durable and had an ability to fight relentlessly, to cover his disadvantages by imposing a fight, in what he was better than his opponents. Froch-like competitors are made for the likes of Ward, who could be slick. Calzaghe wasn't that slick. Yes, he was polished, as well as he was faster and more agile than Froch, but he had no tools to avoid the fight imposed by Froch, while Froch was better in that. That's why Froch's resume is so good. That's not just a resume, Froch was able to handle the guys, who seemed to be more polished and methodical than him.

[margaret thatcher]

Part of that imposing himself is being to outlast guys, don't see Joe being wilted down, as said he had great recovery and stamina himself. He'd have the ability to outbox and outspeed and move the much slower Froch and keep it up with his known good workrate. Landing would be easy and Joe could box or fight.

Froch loses at least as widely as Kess did vs Joe.

[lazboy]

Ward would outsmart Calzaghe. He would spoil the fight enough to neutralize Joe. And I also pick Froch over Calzaghe.

What would Froch do to beat Cal? I think Froch is made for Cal, Froch's biggest strengths are in areas Cal had plenty himself, like stamina and recovery. Cal is also much faster and a better boxer, better movement etc, which allowed him to comfortably neutralize a Kessler who then beat Froch 2.5 years after

When people say fROCh wins, like EO, they just list resume stats, but fights aren't won by bringing your resume to the ring and sitting to compare it. Besides , did Froch really beat anyone definitely better than prime Kess or Hopkins? He did beat end of the line, f@cked up retina Kess, that's true...

[jamesmcdonnell]

What would Froch do to beat Cal? I think Froch is made for Cal, Froch's biggest strengths are in areas Cal had plenty himself, like stamina and recovery. Cal is also much faster and a better boxer, better movement etc, which allowed him to comfortably neutralize a Kessler who then beat Froch 2.5 years after

When people say fROCh wins, like EO, they just list resume stats, but fights aren't won by bringing your resume to the ring and sitting to compare it. Besides , did Froch really beat anyone definitely better than prime Kess or Hopkins? He did beat end of the line, f@cked up retina Kess, that's true...

I just think, that Froch was a too good fighter. He truly was durable and had an ability to fight relentlessly, to cover his disadvantages by imposing a fight, in what he was better than his opponents. Froch-like competitors are made for the likes of Ward, who could be slick. Calzaghe wasn't that slick. Yes, he was polished, as well as he was faster and more agile than Froch, but he had no tools to avoid the fight imposed by Froch, while Froch was better in that. That's why Froch's resume is so good. That's not just a resume, Froch was able to handle the guys, who seemed to be more polished and methodical than him.

Calzaghe was as good in every strong area of frochs, and was also faster, had better footwork, was more fluid, and had a better boxing brain.

[brilo33]

Part of that imposing himself is being to outlast guys, don't see Joe being wilted down, as said he had great recovery and stamina himself. He'd have the ability to outbox and outspeed and move the much slower Froch and keep it up with his known good workrate. Landing would be easy and Joe could box or fight.

Froch loses at least as widely as Kess did vs Joe.

i agree maggie, cant belive iam agreing so much with you, joe was very quick he was also man no bullying would be happening he would control the fight , i actualy think joe would of beat carl in better style than ward,

[Lenny Cravats]

Ward would outsmart Calzaghe. He would spoil the fight enough to neutralize Joe. And I also pick Froch over Calzaghe.

What would Froch do to beat Cal? I think Froch is made for Cal, Froch's biggest strengths are in areas Cal had plenty himself, like stamina and recovery. Cal is also much faster and a better boxer, better movement etc, which allowed him to comfortably neutralize a Kessler who then beat Froch 2.5 years after

When people say fROCh wins, like EO, they just list resume stats, but fights aren't won by bringing your resume to the ring and sitting to compare it. Besides , did Froch really beat anyone definitely better than prime Kess or Hopkins? He did beat end of the line, f@cked up retina Kess, that's true...

That's how I see it. Froch had a great engine and kept fighting until the final bell - Calzaghe was pretty much the same. Froch, with his low hands and slow feet would take a lot of those fast shots coming in.
I don't think it'd be a classic, and Froch would give it a hell of a go, but I can't see Froch taking 6 rounds, and even less stop him.

[lazboy]

As to the topic. I'm thinking it's a seriously tough fight for both. It would likely be difficult to score also. The volume of Calzaghe v the clean and effective punches of Ward. Now we don't always say that Ward is a clean and powerful puncher but in this fight I see him in counter mode, throwing less than Cal but with more power.

The inside stuff is more difficult to imagine. Cal can keep rattling them off and fighting on the inside, finding angles, his stamina holding true, whilst Ward was so effective at grappling, essentially holding and hitting, which fatigued and frustrated his opponents. I don't think Cal would be fatigued or frustrated to the extent that Ward's other opponents were. It's already been commented that he had strong stamina, and also he has strong mental fortitude, he was bullied as a youth, etc.

It might come down to the ref. A assertive ref, that admonishes the holding and hitting of Ward (as he should), likely changes the flow of this fight. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ward has never fought out of his backyard, most likely with a ref in his pocket, outside of Jack Reiss.

Even without a Ward friendly ref it's still a pick-em fight in my eyes.

And also. I think Cal beats Froch. I think it would be a interesting fight, I believe it could be competitive but I feel Froch is too upright and stiff. The speed would get to him in the end. I do however appreciate Froch's boxing ability, not often on display but he had a very good jab and could manage distance very well but he liked to rumble and his defense was too slow and stiff. Disclaimer: Just my opinion.

[gilgamesh]

It'd probably be better when you're retired to take the high road when asked how you'd do against other great fighters from before or after your era. It just makes you look like a guy that can't let it go.

I'd pick Ward to win the bout personally, but I'm not a fan of either of them so I don't particularly care either way.

[lazboy]

It'd probably be better when you're retired to take the high road when asked how you'd do against other great fighters from before or after your era. It just makes you look like a guy that can't let it go.

I'd pick Ward to win the bout personally, but I'm not a fan of either of them so I don't particularly care either way.

May I ask, is the reason you pick Ward because he has the more defined body?

[gilgamesh]

It'd probably be better when you're retired to take the high road when asked how you'd do against other great fighters from before or after your era. It just makes you look like a guy that can't let it go.

I'd pick Ward to win the bout personally, but I'm not a fan of either of them so I don't particularly care either way.

May I ask, is the reason you pick Ward because he has the more defined body?

The reason I pick Ward is because he beat better fighters in their primes, and is a more versatile fighter I think.

[jamesmcdonnell]

It'd probably be better when you're retired to take the high road when asked how you'd do against other great fighters from before or after your era. It just makes you look like a guy that can't let it go.

I'd pick Ward to win the bout personally, but I'm not a fan of either of them so I don't particularly care either way.

May I ask, is the reason you pick Ward because he has the more defined body?

What a frigging weird question

[Loki]

Calzaghe doesn’t beat Ward (at 168lbs nor 175lbs). And I don’t think the Welshman beats Froch either.

I appreciate that my opinion will be in the minority, but I just can’t help thinking that Calzaghe’s era at 168lbs was pretty weak and some of the biggest name’s on Joe’s resume were either already past-their-prime, weight drained or categorically proven hype jobs.

Calzaghe was fortunate to beat Robin Reid and he also failed to grant him an immediate rematch. And I’m led to believe that Joe also rejected multiple seven figure payday opportunities to face Carl Froch, though admittedly the Welshman might have had bigger fish to fry when those offers were made.

Ward and Froch faced tougher opposition more frequently than Calzaghe did, so this likely explains the reason why they may have appeared less dominant than the Welshman was.

It’s just a shame that Calzaghe wasn’t born five years later, when the 168lbs division was much better.

Quite honestly the most idiotic post I’ve seen in ages. Calazaghe boxes Froch’s ears off. Go to sleep.

[world ranked]

I dont really care who would win because they didn't fight all I know Ward resume at 168 is greater. Ward fought everyone from his era Calzaghe did beat Kessler but Lacy and faded Eubank no thank you.

[lazboy]

May I ask, is the reason you pick Ward because he has the more defined body?

What a frigging weird question

Not sure what's "weird" about it. I was merely asking Gilgameth whether he preferred the half naked body of Ward compared to Calzaghe. I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way and I hope you have a good day, remember to exercise hand hygiene in these unprecedented times. After washing your hands, it puts the lotion on its skin (to prevent drying of the skin) or else it gets the hose again.

[margaret thatcher]

May I ask, is the reason you pick Ward because he has the more defined body?

What a frigging weird question

lol, but gilly really did say in another thread if he had nothing else to split two fighters, he would give the round to the guy whose body looked more conditioned

[jamesmcdonnell]

What a frigging weird question

lol, but gilly really did say in another thread if he had nothing else to split two fighters, he would give the round to the guy whose body looked more conditioned

Really?

[Ruthless-RKO]

[gp.]

I'd see Calzaghe winning over a frustrated Froch who finished the fight pretty much unhurt (due to to Joe's terrible fragile hands) but just never landed enough to make a difference

If its 19th century keep fighting until the last man is standing rules, Froch wins in the 61st round.

[igor.korolev]

On his home turf he would.