Classic fights I've watched recently
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Buster Douglas vs Greg Page
In the version of the fight available on youtube rounds 1, 10 and a part of the 9th are missing, but the overall picture of the bout was quite clear. It was a pretty intense battle from the outside. Both tried to outjab an opponent and Page's jab was more frequent, while Douglas was picking power punches better. From the 4th until the 7th Douglas was landing very good shots. So, it was a competetive bout, but Buster was majorly winning it, because his punches looked noticeably more damaging.
In the version of the fight available on youtube rounds 1, 10 and a part of the 9th are missing, but the overall picture of the bout was quite clear. It was a pretty intense battle from the outside. Both tried to outjab an opponent and Page's jab was more frequent, while Douglas was picking power punches better. From the 4th until the 7th Douglas was landing very good shots. So, it was a competetive bout, but Buster was majorly winning it, because his punches looked noticeably more damaging.
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Evander Holyfield vs Bobby Czyz
Holyfield stops Czyz after 5 rounds of a non title Heavyweight fight, Czyz pulled from his corner after he'd been complaining of burning eyes and couldn't see, shades of Clay/Liston 1, you heard him mention it after thr 3rd, Holyfield had started off fast and was loading up bombs on Czyz in the 1st, Czyz was giving a standing 8 count in the 3rd after Holyfield was landing lefts and rights on the ropes, looked harsh
Czyz actually had his best spells in rounds 4 and 5 but Holyfield did rock him end of the 5th and after that the Czyz corner pulled their man, strange ending
Holyfield stops Czyz after 5 rounds of a non title Heavyweight fight, Czyz pulled from his corner after he'd been complaining of burning eyes and couldn't see, shades of Clay/Liston 1, you heard him mention it after thr 3rd, Holyfield had started off fast and was loading up bombs on Czyz in the 1st, Czyz was giving a standing 8 count in the 3rd after Holyfield was landing lefts and rights on the ropes, looked harsh
Czyz actually had his best spells in rounds 4 and 5 but Holyfield did rock him end of the 5th and after that the Czyz corner pulled their man, strange ending
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This fight has always been bizarre to me for a couple reasons. First and foremost was that Holyfield beat the hell out of Czyz but after the fight everyone acted like Holyfield struggled and looked bad. I felt like I had watched a different fight than the critics. Second Czyz clearly quit then his corner and he can be heard going through snd changing a series of excuses before finally settling on the idea that Holyfield had a foreign substance on his gloves. You can clearly hear Czyz quit and referencing his back before that. They clearly concocted the story of the burning eyes right on the spot. The whole thing was bizarre.handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 03:30 Evander Holyfield vs Bobby Czyz
Holyfield stops Czyz after 5 rounds of a non title Heavyweight fight, Czyz pulled from his corner after he'd been complaining of burning eyes and couldn't see, shades of Clay/Liston 1, you heard him mention it after thr 3rd, Holyfield had started off fast and was loading up bombs on Czyz in the 1st, Czyz says giving a standing 8 count in the 3rd after Holyfield was landing lefts and rights on the ropes, looked harsh
Czyz actually had his best spells in rounds 4 and 5 but Holyfield did rock him end of the 5th and after that the Czyz corner pulled their man, strange ending
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The first mention of Czyz's eyes stinging was after round 3, Czyz probably had his best spell in 4 and 5 but Holyfield was unloading shots on him end of the 5th, still I agree it was bizarreklompton wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 08:59This fight has always been bizarre to me for a couple reasons. First and foremost was that Holyfield beat the hell out of Czyz but after the fight everyone acted like Holyfield struggled and looked bad. I felt like I had watched a different fight than the critics. Second Czyz clearly quit then his corner and he can be heard going through snd changing a series of excuses before finally settling on the idea that Holyfield had a foreign substance on his gloves. You can clearly hear Czyz quit and referencing his back before that. They clearly concocted the story of the burning eyes right on the spot. The whole thing was bizarre.handsofstone wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 03:30 Evander Holyfield vs Bobby Czyz
Holyfield stops Czyz after 5 rounds of a non title Heavyweight fight, Czyz pulled from his corner after he'd been complaining of burning eyes and couldn't see, shades of Clay/Liston 1, you heard him mention it after thr 3rd, Holyfield had started off fast and was loading up bombs on Czyz in the 1st, Czyz says giving a standing 8 count in the 3rd after Holyfield was landing lefts and rights on the ropes, looked harsh
Czyz actually had his best spells in rounds 4 and 5 but Holyfield did rock him end of the 5th and after that the Czyz corner pulled their man, strange ending
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Riddick Bowe Ko3 Art Tucker
Very good fight but Bowe more powerful and a better chin than the tough as nails Tucker.
Very good fight but Bowe more powerful and a better chin than the tough as nails Tucker.
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John Ruiz vs Evander Holyfield 1, 2+3
Holyfield beats Ruiz by close UD to win vacant World Heavyweight title and become boxings first 4 time HW champ, never scored it but it looked a clear robbery from what I seen, Holyfield just wasn't at the races and Ruiz was much quicker out the blocks, from the first bell he was all over Holyfield like a rash, getting up close and letting his hands go making it uncomfortable for him, Holyfield did wobble Ruiz at the end of the 3rd with a right hand but Ruiz made it out the round and after that it was a case of Ruiz outboxing Holyfield and outworking him, Ruiz jab was class, really sticking it down Holyfield's throat and nailing him with clean right hands, Holyfield just never got going really and looked as shocked as anyone when he got the decision
Ruiz beats Holyfield by UD in the rematch to become World Heavyweight champ, closer fight, Ruiz started off on the jab boxing Holyfield coming over with the right hand and picking up first couple rounds but Holyfield came into things, got up close and worked Ruiz over, things got a bit messy and there wasnt many clean punches landing from either man, both blocked a lot but it was competitive, then in the 10th Holyfield lost a point for repeated low blows then in th 11th Ruiz had him down from a big right cross early in the round, Holyfield took a battering rest of round but incredibly wasnt put down again although he was bundled over a couple times as his legs were gone, Ruiz shot a bolt and probably lost last round but no matter as he got the decision
Rubber match ends in a draw, Ruiz retains his title, looked a fair result, not a great fight, competitive again but both men cancelling each other out, no lack of effort both guys happy to try fight it out on inside, still messy with plenty holding, no drama, some nice exchanges but nothing more to report really, just a close fight
Holyfield beats Ruiz by close UD to win vacant World Heavyweight title and become boxings first 4 time HW champ, never scored it but it looked a clear robbery from what I seen, Holyfield just wasn't at the races and Ruiz was much quicker out the blocks, from the first bell he was all over Holyfield like a rash, getting up close and letting his hands go making it uncomfortable for him, Holyfield did wobble Ruiz at the end of the 3rd with a right hand but Ruiz made it out the round and after that it was a case of Ruiz outboxing Holyfield and outworking him, Ruiz jab was class, really sticking it down Holyfield's throat and nailing him with clean right hands, Holyfield just never got going really and looked as shocked as anyone when he got the decision
Ruiz beats Holyfield by UD in the rematch to become World Heavyweight champ, closer fight, Ruiz started off on the jab boxing Holyfield coming over with the right hand and picking up first couple rounds but Holyfield came into things, got up close and worked Ruiz over, things got a bit messy and there wasnt many clean punches landing from either man, both blocked a lot but it was competitive, then in the 10th Holyfield lost a point for repeated low blows then in th 11th Ruiz had him down from a big right cross early in the round, Holyfield took a battering rest of round but incredibly wasnt put down again although he was bundled over a couple times as his legs were gone, Ruiz shot a bolt and probably lost last round but no matter as he got the decision
Rubber match ends in a draw, Ruiz retains his title, looked a fair result, not a great fight, competitive again but both men cancelling each other out, no lack of effort both guys happy to try fight it out on inside, still messy with plenty holding, no drama, some nice exchanges but nothing more to report really, just a close fight
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There was a certain point in the match where Buster caught Greg, and it was downhill from there. Luckily that gun he brought in to kill Don King wasn't discovered.DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 07:55 Buster Douglas vs Greg Page
In the version of the fight available on youtube rounds 1, 10 and a part of the 9th are missing, but the overall picture of the bout was quite clear. It was a pretty intense battle from the outside. Both tried to outjab an opponent and Page's jab was more frequent, while Douglas was picking power punches better. From the 4th until the 7th Douglas was landing very good shots. So, it was a competetive bout, but Buster was majorly winning it, because his punches looked noticeably more damaging.
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Evander Holyfield vs Hasim Rahman
Holyfield beats Rahman by 8 round tech split decision, fight stopped due to grotesque swelling to Rahman's head caused by head clashes, it was hideous, he looked like a hammer head shark, it was a decent fight as well, Holyfield showing glimpses of his old self, getting up close and pressuring Rahman with success, nailing him with some big straight rights
The swelling was beginning to show after the 4th, Rahman had his best spell in the 5th and 6th as Holyfield looked like he was gassing but Holyfield was opening Rahman up in the 7th and 8th before the ref called the doc in when it was stopped
Holyfield beats Rahman by 8 round tech split decision, fight stopped due to grotesque swelling to Rahman's head caused by head clashes, it was hideous, he looked like a hammer head shark, it was a decent fight as well, Holyfield showing glimpses of his old self, getting up close and pressuring Rahman with success, nailing him with some big straight rights
The swelling was beginning to show after the 4th, Rahman had his best spell in the 5th and 6th as Holyfield looked like he was gassing but Holyfield was opening Rahman up in the 7th and 8th before the ref called the doc in when it was stopped
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Chris Byrd vs Evander Holyfield
Byrd dominates Holyfield over 12 rounds to win vacant World Heavyweight title, comfortable UD for Byrd who's southpaw style and movement troubled Holyfield all night, Byrd was able to out jab him, working the left hand up and down, constantly moving and never allowing Holyfield to close the gap
Holyfield pressed all night but was ineffective, he looked slow and lacked his usual bustling style, only a handful of times was he able to close the gap and get his punches off, he finished the last 3 rounds in his best form but by then Byrd had built up a handy lead, good showing from Byrd he boxed a great fight
Byrd dominates Holyfield over 12 rounds to win vacant World Heavyweight title, comfortable UD for Byrd who's southpaw style and movement troubled Holyfield all night, Byrd was able to out jab him, working the left hand up and down, constantly moving and never allowing Holyfield to close the gap
Holyfield pressed all night but was ineffective, he looked slow and lacked his usual bustling style, only a handful of times was he able to close the gap and get his punches off, he finished the last 3 rounds in his best form but by then Byrd had built up a handy lead, good showing from Byrd he boxed a great fight
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This fight is sad to watch as well as Holyfield-Toney. Cause Evander was obviously shot there, while in his prime he would have battered and stopped both Byrd and Toney. Neither Byrd's elusiveness nor Toney's shell could save from a type of boxer Holyfield had been at his best.
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Yeah, definition of a fighter unable to pull the trigger anymoreDrDuke wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 09:51This fight is sad to watch as well as Holyfield-Toney. Cause Evander was obviously shot there, while in his prime he would have battered and stopped both Byrd and Toney. Neither Byrd's elusiveness nor Toney's shell could save from a type of boxer Holyfield had been at his best.
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James Toney vs Evander Holyfield
Toney stops Holyfield in the 9th of a non title Heavyweight fight, towel coming in after a slow systematic beatdown from Toney, first few rounds were give and take, Holyfield landing some nice left hooks and Toney getting off a few of his own, by the 4th round though Toney was beginning to get in full flow, landing hooks of his own, drilling Holyfield with straight rights but it was the left hook to the body that was thr shot that really broke Holyfield down
By mid round Toney was slipping, rolling the punches, shoulder roll and countering Holyfield with ease, looking the bollocks, Holyfield was looking ragged, in the 9th after Toney doubled up thr left hook to head and body, Holyfield collapsed to the canvas, more accumitave than one shot but fair play to his corner, even though Holyfield was up quick enough, they waved the towel, great call, Toney was at his near best form by this point
Toney stops Holyfield in the 9th of a non title Heavyweight fight, towel coming in after a slow systematic beatdown from Toney, first few rounds were give and take, Holyfield landing some nice left hooks and Toney getting off a few of his own, by the 4th round though Toney was beginning to get in full flow, landing hooks of his own, drilling Holyfield with straight rights but it was the left hook to the body that was thr shot that really broke Holyfield down
By mid round Toney was slipping, rolling the punches, shoulder roll and countering Holyfield with ease, looking the bollocks, Holyfield was looking ragged, in the 9th after Toney doubled up thr left hook to head and body, Holyfield collapsed to the canvas, more accumitave than one shot but fair play to his corner, even though Holyfield was up quick enough, they waved the towel, great call, Toney was at his near best form by this point
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I'd say, those were the last moments of Toney's prime. Toney had a specific prime. He obviously reached prime by the Barkley fight, but after that his physical potential to be at the best conditions was frequently suppressed by the battles against the refrigerator. Yet this potential still existed. And when Toney entered the CW limit no more he had to give his energy for weight-cutting, that's why he performed so great against Jirov. During his early period at the HW he was still using the remains of that potential, but after the Ruiz fight and the following PED scandal he wasn't the same anymore.
Anyway, as I said before, prime Holyfield would have destroyed even that version of Toney.
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James Scott vs Eddie "The Flame" Gregory AKA E. Mustafa Muhammad
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golden boy v fernando vargas , probaly the most entertaing oscar fight for me
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Carmen Basilio vs Tony Demarco II
Really exciting fight, Basilio looked like he was going to be knocked out before coming back to stop Demarco in the 12th.
Really exciting fight, Basilio looked like he was going to be knocked out before coming back to stop Demarco in the 12th.
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Evander Holyfield vs Fres Oquendo
Holyfield beats Oquendo by close UD in a non title Heavyweight fight, close fight, I wouldnt have argued with a draw or even Oquendo nicking it, Holyfield put Oquendo down in the 1st, first punch of the fight, overhand right had Oquendo down , after that Oquendo began to box and move, nothing fancy but making Holyfield miss
Holyfield looked slow and plodded for the majority of the fight, especially first half, Oquendo kept him on the end of the jab and Holyfield couldn't pull the trigger
In the second half Oquendo slowed and Holyfield began to get closer and rough him up to take the closing rounds, not a robbery by any stretch but maybe Oquendo hard done by
Holyfield beats Oquendo by close UD in a non title Heavyweight fight, close fight, I wouldnt have argued with a draw or even Oquendo nicking it, Holyfield put Oquendo down in the 1st, first punch of the fight, overhand right had Oquendo down , after that Oquendo began to box and move, nothing fancy but making Holyfield miss
Holyfield looked slow and plodded for the majority of the fight, especially first half, Oquendo kept him on the end of the jab and Holyfield couldn't pull the trigger
In the second half Oquendo slowed and Holyfield began to get closer and rough him up to take the closing rounds, not a robbery by any stretch but maybe Oquendo hard done by
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Evander Holyfield vs Vinny Maddalone
Holyfield stops Maddalone in the 3rd of a non title Heavyweight fight, Maddalone's corner waving the towel in after a brief but brave showing from their man, he never stopped coming forward, cut in the 1st to the right eye from a Holyfield left hook as well as a few butts, Maddalone was crude and just followed Holyfield while being picked off, docs had a good look at Maddalone's eye in rounds 1 and 2
Holyfield for his part looked good in all fairness, chose to box on the backfoot and picked the rushing Maddalone off with the jab, Maddalone looked mess coming out for thr 3rd and Holyfield just tore into him drilling him with uppercuts and hooks, Maddalone was holding for dear life when his corner signalled to the ref, Maddalone not great but Holyfield did still look pretty good
Holyfield stops Maddalone in the 3rd of a non title Heavyweight fight, Maddalone's corner waving the towel in after a brief but brave showing from their man, he never stopped coming forward, cut in the 1st to the right eye from a Holyfield left hook as well as a few butts, Maddalone was crude and just followed Holyfield while being picked off, docs had a good look at Maddalone's eye in rounds 1 and 2
Holyfield for his part looked good in all fairness, chose to box on the backfoot and picked the rushing Maddalone off with the jab, Maddalone looked mess coming out for thr 3rd and Holyfield just tore into him drilling him with uppercuts and hooks, Maddalone was holding for dear life when his corner signalled to the ref, Maddalone not great but Holyfield did still look pretty good
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Evander Holyfield vs Lou Savarese
Holyfield drops Savarese twice en route to a 10 round UD, Savarese was down in the 4th after Holyfield rocked him with a massive right hand, Savarese done well to stay on his feet after the Holyfield follow up but as he was backed on the ropes Holyfield folded him with a left to the body, Savarese recovered well enough and picked up a couple of the middle rounds but really he was too tall and upright for Holyfield
Right at the end of the 9th Holyfield flattened him with a monster left hook, Savarese was flat in his back and if no for the bell you'd have fancied Holyfield to finish him, no matter Holyfield comfortably outpointed him over the distance
Holyfield drops Savarese twice en route to a 10 round UD, Savarese was down in the 4th after Holyfield rocked him with a massive right hand, Savarese done well to stay on his feet after the Holyfield follow up but as he was backed on the ropes Holyfield folded him with a left to the body, Savarese recovered well enough and picked up a couple of the middle rounds but really he was too tall and upright for Holyfield
Right at the end of the 9th Holyfield flattened him with a monster left hook, Savarese was flat in his back and if no for the bell you'd have fancied Holyfield to finish him, no matter Holyfield comfortably outpointed him over the distance
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Sultan Ibragimov vs Evander Holyfield
Ibragimov outboxes Holyfield by UD to retain his World Heavyweight title, not a great watch but a comfortable night for Ibragimov, he was the smaller guy in there, Holyfield was bigger, stronger and probably controlled ring centre but he was ineffective and never got his punches off apart from the occasional single right hand late on, Ibragimov's southpaw style and movement troubled him, right jabs, straight lefts and some quick bursts ending with the right hook picked up the rounds
It wasn't a great spectacle and there wasnt night and day between the rounds but it was clear Ibragimov was outboxing Holyfield overall
Ibragimov outboxes Holyfield by UD to retain his World Heavyweight title, not a great watch but a comfortable night for Ibragimov, he was the smaller guy in there, Holyfield was bigger, stronger and probably controlled ring centre but he was ineffective and never got his punches off apart from the occasional single right hand late on, Ibragimov's southpaw style and movement troubled him, right jabs, straight lefts and some quick bursts ending with the right hook picked up the rounds
It wasn't a great spectacle and there wasnt night and day between the rounds but it was clear Ibragimov was outboxing Holyfield overall
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That was one of the old classics. Those guys really went at it. It did look like Basilo was going to be stopped, bit he managed to survive and come back.
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ronald winky wright v shane mosley. i like winky wright been in some good fights
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Ambling Alp II
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Did you watch the first or the 2nd one?
I liked Wright too and think he is underrated.
I liked Wright too and think he is underrated.