Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?

[Enlightened-One]

David Haye (won only once) and Deontay Wilder (winning three times) are the only fighters that successfully competed in world heavyweight title fights within the last decade weighing less than 225lbs.

I can also provide you with loads of stats about the limited success small heavyweights have achieved within the last twenty years if you like?

It’s very rare for small heavyweights to be successful against bigger men.

No one should dishonestly pretend that citing “needle in the haystack” type scenarios illustrates the “norm”.

No it isn't. Tyson was 5'10" 218lbs at his best and was successful against bigger men.

Tyson outweighed the mathematical average weight of his opponents from the start of his career until his prime ended.

And I previously provided stats from all the WBA, WBC, WBO & IBF title bouts that were staged during the last twenty years, which irrefutably proved the it was extremely rare for fighters weighing less than 215lbs and also less than 220lbs to achieve success at world level at heavyweight.

Do you want the numbers? I could simply resurrect some of my old posts that everyone has already seen.

No one, and that includes myself, can rewrite the course of history and disprove the real-world facts that are easily accessible.

The numbers are what they really are. And facts don’t care about feelings either.

I realise I’m making myself appear rather cocky, but I’ve done the legwork and the effort I’ve already performed to research this matter has resulted in me being supremely confident about my claims.

And to be fair, I didn’t really have an opinion or a personal preference on the matter until I saw the stats.

[gilgamesh]

Everyone acknowledges Wilder is a hell of a puncher. I've never seen anybody praise his skill or technique. He almost always is getting outboxed before KO'ing his opponent. His skills leave a lot to be desired.

Ok. I will explain how boxing works for you. Being able to land a good hard punch that potentiallt knocks your opponent out is not a talent that anyone is born with, in order to be a good "puncher" you have to practice, strategize and learn so nobody can be a good puncher unless they have the technique and skills to be one. And if we want to explore the second part of this then 212 pounds is the bodymass that Wilder had to put behind each one of his punches, 212 pounds is not a weight that should have given him any advantage over the average heavyweight as a matter of fact such a low weight should have put him at a considerable disadvantage.

The added bulk he added for the Fury rematch put him at a disadvantage actually.

Sometimes being the lighter, faster guy actually works to your benefit.

Shocking I know.

[gilgamesh]

Everyone acknowledges Wilder is a hell of a puncher. I've never seen anybody praise his skill or technique. He almost always is getting outboxed before KO'ing his opponent. His skills leave a lot to be desired.

He is skilled at one shot he throws. He sets that shot up well a lot off the break when his opponent takes a step back. It's just, once that's taken away, he has nothing.

Exactamundo

[oogiebe]

Ok. I will explain how boxing works for you. Being able to land a good hard punch that potentiallt knocks your opponent out is not a talent that anyone is born with, in order to be a good "puncher" you have to practice, strategize and learn so nobody can be a good puncher unless they have the technique and skills to be one. And if we want to explore the second part of this then 212 pounds is the bodymass that Wilder had to put behind each one of his punches, 212 pounds is not a weight that should have given him any advantage over the average heavyweight as a matter of fact such a low weight should have put him at a considerable disadvantage.

The added bulk he added for the Fury rematch put him at a disadvantage actually.

Sometimes being the lighter, faster guy actually works to your benefit.

Shocking I know.

Good thing he explains how boxing works.

[gilgamesh]

Yeah I mean, I've only been watching for 20 years. I just can't figure it out.

[oogiebe]

Yeah I mean, I've only been watching for 20 years. I just can't figure it out.

Think he's another EO alias?

[gilgamesh]

Yeah I mean, I've only been watching for 20 years. I just can't figure it out.

Think he's another EO alias?

Doubt it. His posts are too short.

[oogiebe]

Think he's another EO alias?

Doubt it. His posts are too short.

[gregregegg]

I think usyk is your best bet at that... even though he will be 6'3 215. He is the best chance at a normal sized human being heavyweight champ (I guess ruiz is normal sized in USA....).

Also wernt most the guys louis fought like 180-190lbs.... He was bigger than people in most of his fights, and only vs'd 3 or 4 big boys in his entire career....

Edit: Most of Joe's opponents were bigger than 180-190, more like 190-200. Tony Galento, Buddy Baer, and Abe Simon were big boys. Joe was bigger than probably half of the guys he fought between beating Braddock and losing to Ezzard Charles. I like the idea of Usyk clearing out the heavyweights, but can he really beat Fury? Would he survive Wilder for twelve rounds? I want to see him square off with Parker or do a rematch with Hunter first. Let's not get too excited.

Yea, ok most were bigger than 180-190, but they wernt huge, in reality his opponent by modern standards was probably, 3 middleweights, 20 super middles, 25 light heavys, 15 cruisers, 6 heavys (and thats being generous)

Usyk vs heavys is fascinating. i think he stops wilder so doesn't have to survive 12. Dont know if he could beat fury, probably not if fury turned up.. Parker is a great fight for him, but i dont know if its actually a great match up for usyk, still think he wins but think thats one of usyks harder fights at heavy. Just want to see him get big fights soon.

[H8Usernames]

Ok. I will explain how boxing works for you. Being able to land a good hard punch that potentiallt knocks your opponent out is not a talent that anyone is born with, in order to be a good "puncher" you have to practice, strategize and learn so nobody can be a good puncher unless they have the technique and skills to be one. And if we want to explore the second part of this then 212 pounds is the bodymass that Wilder had to put behind each one of his punches, 212 pounds is not a weight that should have given him any advantage over the average heavyweight as a matter of fact such a low weight should have put him at a considerable disadvantage.

The added bulk he added for the Fury rematch put him at a disadvantage actually.

Sometimes being the lighter, faster guy actually works to your benefit.

Shocking I know.

Good thing that the CW LHW and SMW divisions arent dissolved so that the big guys wont have to worry about those lightningfast dudes.

You must be joking really, you probably realize that the rematch version of Fury would have anhialated any version of Wilder.

[gilgamesh]

If you're 210 or so, you have enough oomph behind your shots to hurt somebody. Even if they're 290 or 300 pounds. I agree with you that the Fury of the rematch would've beaten Wilder because aside from being so much bigger than Wilder he's also more skilled, and just plain better than him in just about every facet of the game except for maybe right hand punching power.

It's not Fury's size alone that is beating these guys. He's also skilled.

Wilder bulking up to try to match strength with Fury, in my opinion wasn't an effective strategy because it just was never gonna work anyhow. Even at 230 or whatever, he was giving away 40 pounds. So he's never gonna be as physically strong as Fury as far as say pushing him around or what have you.

But being lighter, say 220 or 215. He may be that little bit faster with his right hand that he actually gets there with it more often, and hurts Fury.

I doubt it'd work ultimately, but I'd recommend he focus on a leaner physique for a 3rd bout to give himself his best shot.

[margaret thatcher]

lol, he was too light the first time, too heavy the second time

Maybe the difference was Fury was just plain old better and had a better approach 2nd go. It was a bit funny how the consensus was that Wilder would be the one improving, even though Fury had pretty much useless opponents in his comeback from drugs and obesity prior to the first fight. Really he had far more room to improve and it showed. career 1 trick ponies don't have as much to work with.

I always lol'd at the guys saying Wilder showed serious improvment in being pretty much shutout by Ortiz in the rematch....talk about wishful thinking

[gilgamesh]

lol, he was too light the first time, too heavy the second time

Maybe the difference was Fury was just plain old better and had a better approach. It was a bit funny how the consensus was that Wilder would be the one improving, even though Fury had pretty much useless opponents in his comeback from drugs and obesity prior to the first fight. Really he had far more room to improve and it showed. career 1 trick ponies don't have as much to work with.

He's not good enough to beat Fury. He's not skilled enough. That's the bottom line.

Nevertheless it's a fact that the lighter version of Wilder did better against Fury, and would again.

If you're fighting a guy that you know in your heart is better than you. You just gotta think of the best way to land your equalizer.

Speed would be Wilder's best asset to have to land his shot.

[margaret thatcher]

It's a fact that the lighter Wilder fought a worse prepared Fury too, one who''d only recently come back from obesity and drugs, and who had fought no one worth sh!t in 3 years. I think Fury had a better plan fight 2 as well.

Wouldn't be remotely surprised if the lighter Wilder got ragdolled even harder by the rematch Fury

[gilgamesh]

It's a fact that the lighter Wilder fought a worse prepared Fury too

Wouldn't be remotely surprised if the lighter Wilder got ragdolled even harder by the rematch Fury

It is

I wouldn't be surprised either frankly, but I still think it would be him giving himself his greatest chance. Hell for all we know his confidence might be shot to hell after an ass whipping like that, and he might never be quite the same again against anybody. That's yet to be seen. Some guys seem to crumble from a bad loss. Some guys come back. We'll see which one Wilder turns out to be.

Against Fury, I think it's fair to say we'd all be pretty damn surprised if he got Fury in the 3rd fight, but I mean...stranger things have happened.

[margaret thatcher]

Fury has been underdog 4 times and underestimated throughout his career, people thought Wilder would improve more in the rematch even though first time around Fury had been coming back from being an obese druggy and had fought no one iwith a pulse n years.

I expect a lot of people to talk themselves back into thinking Wilder will beat him if they fight again, whether that's by KO like we thought, or decision like our boi Duran thought. You can't say it's impossible , though he's failed to beat Fury twice now even with favourable circumstances

[Bujia]

Deontay Wilder is a whole lot more about skill and technique than he is about size.

[gilgamesh]

Fury has been underdog 4 times and underestimated throughout his career, people thought Wilder would improve more in the rematch even though first time around Fury had been coming back from being an obese druggy and had fought no one iwith a pulse n years.

I expect a lot of people to talk themselves back into thinking Wilder will beat him if they fight again, whether that's by KO like we thought, or decision like our boi Duran thought. You can't say it's impossible , though he's failed to beat Fury twice now even with favourable circumstances

Yes a puncher like Wilder always has that puncher's chance, but unless he commits himself to an entirely new strategy I can't see him really troubling Fury, because Fury has done seen his gameplan twice now, and in that 2nd fight he obviously figured it out like a motherf*cker

So unless Wilder tries something completely different tactically. His chances are slim and none.

[gregregegg]

i think Wilder is such a puncher because he throws those 100% wild punches, he it obviously athletic and long but IF most of the top heavies decided to just wing an outragouse full power nearly fall over if it misses right, it KOs anyone it hits too. Wilders weird ability for me isnt so much power, its how he somehow from not great positions, uncorks an absolutly wild shot, and makes it land just often enough to win his fights.
That being said its only worked so far against people that are C grade, very Old, Or both. love to see Wilder vs parker, just as a tester to see how it goes vs prime proven 2nd teir heavyweight.

[H8Usernames]

I have the uttmost respect for Wilder but who exactly did he ever beat besides roid using ancient Luis Ortiz?

The rest of his victories really dont mean that much.

[margaret thatcher]

His best wins are over Ortiz, Stiverne, and Breazeale, or something like that.

[gilgamesh]

His best wins are over Ortiz, Stiverne, and Breazeale, or something like that.

Yeah I'd say those are definitely the best 3.

If you had to pick a 4th best name after that it's...I mean I don't know. Duhaupas maybe? So the quality of wins drops off sharply after those guys, and frankly I'm not 100% that Breazeale was much better than that either.

Ortiz was head and shoulders the best guy he's beaten. Hard to imagine Ortiz losing to any of the guys Wilder has beaten, let's put it that way.

[Enlightened-One]

David Haye (won only once) and Deontay Wilder (winning three times) are the only fighters that successfully competed in world heavyweight title fights within the last decade weighing less than 220lbs.

I can also provide you with loads of stats about the limited success small heavyweights have achieved within the last twenty years if you like?

It’s very rare for small heavyweights to be successful against bigger men.

No one should dishonestly pretend that citing “needle in the haystack” type scenarios illustrates the “norm”.

No it isn't. Tyson was 5'10" 218lbs at his best and was successful against bigger men.

Within the last decade, the following world heavyweight titles were fought for:

• WBC = 19 times
• WBA Super = 16 times
• WBA Regular = 14 times
• IBF = 21 times
• WBO = 17 times

I appreciate the fact that some of these bouts were unified title fights, where the champion held multiple versions of the world title, but I've decided to list them as per the BoxRec website.

Only two men have emerged victorious in the bouts listed above weighing 220lbs or less:

• David Haye = once (against Audley Harrison for the WBA Regular title)
• Deontay Wilder = three times (in his WBC title fights against Luis Ortiz and Bermane Stiverne)

In terms of the participants of the above bouts (excl. draws & no contests), the average weights of the:

• Winners = 242½lbs
• Losers = 240lbs

And within the last decade, no man has ever successfully competed in WBA Super, WBO & IBF world title fights weighing 220lbs or less.

When ‘Iron’ Mike Tyson was at his destructive best (prior to his defeat to ‘Buster’ Douglas) for the first 37 bouts of his career, his opponents typically weighed 212lbs (excl. four anomalous fighters).

Mike Tyson’s own average ring weight during the same period was only 217¼lbs.

[gregregegg]

No it isn't. Tyson was 5'10" 218lbs at his best and was successful against bigger men.

Within the last decade, the following world heavyweight titles were fought for:

• WBC = 19 times
• WBA Super = 16 times
• WBA Regular = 14 times
• IBF = 21 times
• WBO = 17 times

I appreciate the fact that some of these bouts were unified title fights, where the champion held multiple versions of the world title.

Only two men have emerged victorious in the bouts listed above weighing 220lbs or less:

• David Haye = once (against Audley Harrison for the WBA Regular title)
• Deontay Wilder = three times (in his WBC title fights against Luis Ortiz and Bermane Stiverne)

In terms of the participants of the above bouts (excl. draws & no contests), the average weights of the:

• Winners = 242½ lbs
• Losers = 240lbs

And within the last decade, no man has ever successfully competed in WBA Super, WBO & IBF world title fights weighing 220lbs or less.

When ‘Iron’ Mike Tyson was at his destructive best (prior to his defeat to ‘Buster’ Douglas) for the first 37 bouts of his career, his opponents typically weighed 212lbs (excl. four anomalous fighters).

Mike Tyson’s own average ring weight during the same period was only 217¼lbs.

WBA reg is not a fornicating world title. if it counts so dose WBC silver or fornicate it WBA gold and all interums and IBO.... witch they do fornicating not. they are as legit as each other and that levle of legit world titleness is zero.

[Enlightened-One]

Within the last decade, the following world heavyweight titles were fought for:

• WBC = 19 times
• WBA Super = 16 times
• WBA Regular = 14 times
• IBF = 21 times
• WBO = 17 times

I appreciate the fact that some of these bouts were unified title fights, where the champion held multiple versions of the world title.

Only two men have emerged victorious in the bouts listed above weighing 220lbs or less:

• David Haye = once (against Audley Harrison for the WBA Regular title)
• Deontay Wilder = three times (in his WBC title fights against Luis Ortiz and Bermane Stiverne)

In terms of the participants of the above bouts (excl. draws & no contests), the average weights of the:

• Winners = 242½ lbs
• Losers = 240lbs

And within the last decade, no man has ever successfully competed in WBA Super, WBO & IBF world title fights weighing 220lbs or less.

When ‘Iron’ Mike Tyson was at his destructive best (prior to his defeat to ‘Buster’ Douglas) for the first 37 bouts of his career, his opponents typically weighed 212lbs (excl. four anomalous fighters).

Mike Tyson’s own average ring weight during the same period was only 217¼lbs.

WBA reg is not a fornicating world title. if it counts so dose WBC silver or fornicate it WBA gold and all interums and IBO.... witch they do fornicating not. they are as legit as each other and that levle of legit world titleness is zero.

What you’ve just written is utterly irrelevant!

The WBA Super world heavyweight title has only been around since July 2011. And my stats were intended to list world heavyweight title fights from the last decade.

And I didn’t even mention the IBO or the WBC silver titles.

Even if we excluded all the WBA Regular world title fights from my stats (barring David Haye’s bout against Audley Harrison, which was before the Super version of the WBA championship existed), it doesn’t undermine my argument in any way.

And do you want to know the reason why, it’s because anyone possessing a mere modicum of intellect will surely realise that it’s extremely rare for small heavyweights weighing 220lbs or less winning world heavyweight title fights within the last decade!

Seriously dude, did you not even look at the numbers and consider what the stats would look like even if we ignored the WBA regular title from consideration! Do you not feel thoroughly embarrassed?

In fact, in a separate post, I also provided stats for the last twenty years, and the very same rule applies in that scenario too.

I really can’t wait to read your comeback!!! Come on kid, I always enjoy a good laugh!!!