In 1967, a Miami promoter, Murray Woroner wanted to simulate a tournament (by means of a supercomputer). This tournment would have the greatest boxers in history, fighting for the All-Time World Heavyweight Championship.
He reasoned that it would be a straight knock-out tournament and that it would contain 16 of the greatest boxers throughout time. Worner called upon the services of 2 boxing experts to assidt him,
Nat Fleischer (Editor of The Ring Magazine) +
Hank Kaplan (President of the World Boxing Historian's Organisation).
After a week's worth of discussions, they narrowed the field down to the last 16 great boxers.
The Supercomputer took 18 months to build and develop and it was fed with extensive video footage, records and information of the 16 boxers. Once it was developed it choose the First Round of Fights At Random...
NOW.
I'm going to ask you, my esteemed friends (BOXREC MEMBERS) to re-play the tournment and see who wins.
The rules are:
1. NO mocking other peoples opinions, (opinions can't be wrong).
2. You may only cast your prediction once, (there will be no changing minds).
3. You'll have 10 days to post your opinions.
4. The boxer with the most votes will progress.
5. When you post, you must post your opinions on EVERY FIGHT.
6. Fights consist of 15 ROUNDS, (3 minutes long).
7. The rounds are as follow: 1st Round, Quarter Finals, Semi Finals, 3rd Place Showdown, THE FINAL.
The exact first round of fights will be posted shortly, (and these are the fights that the original computer decided upon).
Please post your views and good luck to all the Fighters!!!
Murry Woroner's All Time Heavyweight Championship!!!
Murry Woroner's All Time Heavyweight Championship!!!
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1st ROUND FIGHTS:
1ST ROUND FIGHTS:
1. Jack Dempsey v. Jim Corbett.
2. John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock.
3. Joe Louis v. Jess Willard.
4. Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey.
5. Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney.
6. Max Baer v. Jack Johnson.
7. Jim Jeffries v. Jersey Joe Walcott.
8. Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling.
1. Jack Dempsey v. Jim Corbett.
2. John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock.
3. Joe Louis v. Jess Willard.
4. Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey.
5. Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney.
6. Max Baer v. Jack Johnson.
7. Jim Jeffries v. Jersey Joe Walcott.
8. Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling.
Re: 1st ROUND FIGHTS:
The Original results were:
1. Jack Dempsey v. Jim Corbett. Dempsey wins by KO round 7.
2. John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock. Sullivan wins on points descision.
3. Joe Louis v. Jess Willard. Louis wins by KO round 15.
4. Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey. Fitzsimmons wins on points descision.
5. Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney. Marciano wins on points descision.
6. Max Baer v. Jack Johnson. Baer wins on points descision.
7. Jim Jeffries v. Joe Walcott. Jeffries wins on points points descision.
8. Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling. Ali wins on points decision.
1. Jack Dempsey v. Jim Corbett. Dempsey wins by KO round 7.
2. John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock. Sullivan wins on points descision.
3. Joe Louis v. Jess Willard. Louis wins by KO round 15.
4. Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey. Fitzsimmons wins on points descision.
5. Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney. Marciano wins on points descision.
6. Max Baer v. Jack Johnson. Baer wins on points descision.
7. Jim Jeffries v. Joe Walcott. Jeffries wins on points points descision.
8. Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling. Ali wins on points decision.
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The Great John L
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Re: 1st ROUND FIGHTS:
Jack Dempsey v. Jim Corbett.
Dempsey KO3 as he catches a fleeing Corbett with a sharp left hook. A boring fight with a lot back pedaling and clinching by Corbett.
John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock.
Sullivan TKO7 as a bloody and tiring Sullivan catches an emboldened Braddock with a counter right. A second KD causes the ref to stop it. Sullivan looked sloppy and ill prepared but somehow pulled it out through sheer will power.
Joe Louis v. Jess Willard.
Louis, TKO3. After a slow and deliberate first round, Louis begins to catch the slower Willard with sharp combinations in the 2nd and scores a KD late in the round. After several more KDs the ref stops the fight midway in the 3rd.
Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey.
Fitz, KO 8. A closely contested fight until Fitz catches Sharkey with a crushing hook in the 8th.
Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney.
Marciano SD15. A well prepared Tunney gives Rocky a boxing lesson early, but the relentless Rocky closes the distance and takes over midway. His late rally is just enough to earn a close SD.
Max Baer v. Jack Johnson.
Johnson UD15. Johnson’s wins every round except the 5th, when a Baer right drops him for a 3 count. Other than the 5th, it’s pretty much a beat down.
Jim Jeffries v. Jersey Joe Walcott.
Walcott UD15. Walcott at his best has too many tricks for the powerful Jeffries. A few shaky moments late in the fight as Jeff presses hard, but in general a good boxing lesson by Walcott.
Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling
Ali UD15. A competitive but lopsided decision as Ali is just too big and fast for the more aggressive Schmeling.
Dempsey KO3 as he catches a fleeing Corbett with a sharp left hook. A boring fight with a lot back pedaling and clinching by Corbett.
John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock.
Sullivan TKO7 as a bloody and tiring Sullivan catches an emboldened Braddock with a counter right. A second KD causes the ref to stop it. Sullivan looked sloppy and ill prepared but somehow pulled it out through sheer will power.
Joe Louis v. Jess Willard.
Louis, TKO3. After a slow and deliberate first round, Louis begins to catch the slower Willard with sharp combinations in the 2nd and scores a KD late in the round. After several more KDs the ref stops the fight midway in the 3rd.
Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey.
Fitz, KO 8. A closely contested fight until Fitz catches Sharkey with a crushing hook in the 8th.
Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney.
Marciano SD15. A well prepared Tunney gives Rocky a boxing lesson early, but the relentless Rocky closes the distance and takes over midway. His late rally is just enough to earn a close SD.
Max Baer v. Jack Johnson.
Johnson UD15. Johnson’s wins every round except the 5th, when a Baer right drops him for a 3 count. Other than the 5th, it’s pretty much a beat down.
Jim Jeffries v. Jersey Joe Walcott.
Walcott UD15. Walcott at his best has too many tricks for the powerful Jeffries. A few shaky moments late in the fight as Jeff presses hard, but in general a good boxing lesson by Walcott.
Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling
Ali UD15. A competitive but lopsided decision as Ali is just too big and fast for the more aggressive Schmeling.
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HomicideHenry
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All my winners are in the bold.
Jim Corbett vs Jack Dempsey
Jim Corbett beat John L. Sullivan, a man whose style was similar to Dempsey's, who had a phenomenal KO streak considering KO's were rare in his time. Corbett also was in a time where 20 round fights were the norm, and Dempsey always had trouble with movers. In my opinion it would have went the distance, with Corbett winning on points.
John L. Sullivan vs Jim Braddock
Unlike clowning Max Baer in Braddock's title match, Sullivan would have been unmerciful, and would have cut the Cinderella Man to shreds. Braddock still had skills at Heavyweight, but he was too old in his comeback and lacked a punch. I see Sullivan tearing down Braddock inside of five rounds.
Joe Louis vs Jess Willard
I would see it being as comparable, if not even more brutal, than Joe Louis's match up with Primo Carnera, when Louis was an up and coming contender. He would sincerly fawk Willard up and would do it inside of three rounds.
Bob Fitzsimmons vs Jack Sharkey
Ruby Red hit harder, was tougher, had better wins over better competition at three different weight classes---while the Boston Gob was a good tactician, but he was alot like modern day Golota, having break downs and constantly bitching. He was too inconsitant. KO in the mid to late rounds.
Rocky Marciano vs Gene Tunney
Would be a very tough match, as Marciano always had problems with movers and tacticians. Tunney was tough as well, but in my personal opinion Marciano hit harder than Dempsey and was tougher. It would be a war from round one onwards---but I see Marciano managing to tire down Tunney and make him slower. It would go the distance and be really close, with Marciano winning narrowly on points.
Max Baer vs Jack Johnson
I think Baer was a helluva lot more capable than Willard, Flynn, Moran, Ketchel and most of the other white fighters Johnson faced. Baer had a harder punch than any of those men did. But I don't think that would have really bothered Johnson, and he and Baer would have both clowned around, brawled and danced---myself I give Johnson the edge, but knowing that Johnson was a clowning man himself, that the bout would probably go the full 15 rounds. Johnson in the end scoring a little bit more than Max.
Jim Jefferies vs Joe Walcott
Jefferies is in my opinion unfairly judged on his match with Johnson, and deemed the "slowest heavyweight in history" but this was far from the case. He chased down movers like Jim Corbett for well over 20 rounds, could brawl with the dirtiest fighters, had awesome power and was very tough. Walcott was a superb tactician, his "walcott waltz" puzzled many a fighter, and he had a pop to his punch as well and was tough in his own right. Call me crazy though, but I don't think Walcott could really put away or make Jefferies too confused with his style---it would go the distance. I see Walcott winning on points though.
Muhammad Ali vs Max Schmeling
A one-sided affair, with Ali stopping Schmeling inside of 8 rounds, by TKO.
Jim Corbett vs Jack Dempsey
Jim Corbett beat John L. Sullivan, a man whose style was similar to Dempsey's, who had a phenomenal KO streak considering KO's were rare in his time. Corbett also was in a time where 20 round fights were the norm, and Dempsey always had trouble with movers. In my opinion it would have went the distance, with Corbett winning on points.
John L. Sullivan vs Jim Braddock
Unlike clowning Max Baer in Braddock's title match, Sullivan would have been unmerciful, and would have cut the Cinderella Man to shreds. Braddock still had skills at Heavyweight, but he was too old in his comeback and lacked a punch. I see Sullivan tearing down Braddock inside of five rounds.
Joe Louis vs Jess Willard
I would see it being as comparable, if not even more brutal, than Joe Louis's match up with Primo Carnera, when Louis was an up and coming contender. He would sincerly fawk Willard up and would do it inside of three rounds.
Bob Fitzsimmons vs Jack Sharkey
Ruby Red hit harder, was tougher, had better wins over better competition at three different weight classes---while the Boston Gob was a good tactician, but he was alot like modern day Golota, having break downs and constantly bitching. He was too inconsitant. KO in the mid to late rounds.
Rocky Marciano vs Gene Tunney
Would be a very tough match, as Marciano always had problems with movers and tacticians. Tunney was tough as well, but in my personal opinion Marciano hit harder than Dempsey and was tougher. It would be a war from round one onwards---but I see Marciano managing to tire down Tunney and make him slower. It would go the distance and be really close, with Marciano winning narrowly on points.
Max Baer vs Jack Johnson
I think Baer was a helluva lot more capable than Willard, Flynn, Moran, Ketchel and most of the other white fighters Johnson faced. Baer had a harder punch than any of those men did. But I don't think that would have really bothered Johnson, and he and Baer would have both clowned around, brawled and danced---myself I give Johnson the edge, but knowing that Johnson was a clowning man himself, that the bout would probably go the full 15 rounds. Johnson in the end scoring a little bit more than Max.
Jim Jefferies vs Joe Walcott
Jefferies is in my opinion unfairly judged on his match with Johnson, and deemed the "slowest heavyweight in history" but this was far from the case. He chased down movers like Jim Corbett for well over 20 rounds, could brawl with the dirtiest fighters, had awesome power and was very tough. Walcott was a superb tactician, his "walcott waltz" puzzled many a fighter, and he had a pop to his punch as well and was tough in his own right. Call me crazy though, but I don't think Walcott could really put away or make Jefferies too confused with his style---it would go the distance. I see Walcott winning on points though.
Muhammad Ali vs Max Schmeling
A one-sided affair, with Ali stopping Schmeling inside of 8 rounds, by TKO.
Yep Jaclem, these simulated fights were aired on the radio. (The results are in my third post).
You may indeed think that the choice of boxers was "flawed", however they were picked by boxing experts (see my first post).
If it were up to me, I would surely have "Smokin" Joe Frazier + "Big" George Foreman in my tournament, (I rate both of them in my top 10 greatest Heavyweights).
HOWEVER, this is not about myor your choices, to stop people from the arguments of "their top 16 heavyweights", I decided to just stick with the original roster...
Now, please post your predications for the 1st round of fights, thanks man!!
You may indeed think that the choice of boxers was "flawed", however they were picked by boxing experts (see my first post).
If it were up to me, I would surely have "Smokin" Joe Frazier + "Big" George Foreman in my tournament, (I rate both of them in my top 10 greatest Heavyweights).
HOWEVER, this is not about myor your choices, to stop people from the arguments of "their top 16 heavyweights", I decided to just stick with the original roster...
Now, please post your predications for the 1st round of fights, thanks man!!
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Ambling Alp
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The 16 fighters selected does leave a lot to be desired.
To be fair, it should be pointed out that since this took place in 1967 that Frazier wouldn't have been considered an all time great and Foreman wasn't even a professional.
Obviously Charles should have been in before Willard and Braddock, and possibly a few others.
It's also silly that neither Liston or Patterson made it.
Anyway, here are my picks:
Dempsey knocks out Corbett in 7.
Sullivan knocksout out Braddock in 11.
Louis knocks out Willard in 6.
Fitzsimmons knocks out Sharkey in 8.
Marciano wins a close decison over Tunney. (by far the best matchup in the first round)
Johnson wins an easy decision over Baer
Jeffries comes from behind and knocks out walcott in 13.
Ali stop Schmeling in 12.
To be fair, it should be pointed out that since this took place in 1967 that Frazier wouldn't have been considered an all time great and Foreman wasn't even a professional.
Obviously Charles should have been in before Willard and Braddock, and possibly a few others.
It's also silly that neither Liston or Patterson made it.
Anyway, here are my picks:
Dempsey knocks out Corbett in 7.
Sullivan knocksout out Braddock in 11.
Louis knocks out Willard in 6.
Fitzsimmons knocks out Sharkey in 8.
Marciano wins a close decison over Tunney. (by far the best matchup in the first round)
Johnson wins an easy decision over Baer
Jeffries comes from behind and knocks out walcott in 13.
Ali stop Schmeling in 12.
Corbett in his prime lost to Fitzsimmons. Dempsey had trouble with Bill Brennan, but knocked him out. I see Dempsey pressing the attack from the opening bell and finally stopping Corbett somewhere after 10.
Sullivan was a brawler. He was also only about 5'10". Fighting under Marquis of Queensberry Rules, I see him being picked apart by the larger Braddock (6' 2 1/2" and 195), easily outboxed, and put on the canvas three or four times before the ref stops it. Braddock loved fighting big punchers with no defence.
Louis does to Willard what he did to Abe Simon and Buddy Baer, but Willard was tough and hangs around to the later rounds when he is saved by the referee.
Fitzsimmons weighed less than 170 most days. Sharkey was almost as big as Jeffries and he could box and hit hard. On a good day Jack kayos Fitzsimmons. On a bad day he just decisions him.
Tunney was fast and a brilliant ring tactician. He fought Dempsey when the latter was past his best years. Marciano applies continuous pressure to Tunney and wears him down slowly. In the 14th or 15th round, he stops Tunney with a barrage of punches in the corner.
Max Baer is a clown. He tries everything and can't touch Jack Johnson, but Johnson hurts him with his jab and with terrific uppercuts. After 3 rounds Baer starts looking for a way to quit. In the 4th Johnson smacks him upside his head and he goes down and stays down.
Walcott outboxes Jeffries, but the Boilermaker keeps coming, stalking Walcott, looking for an opening. In the 8th round, an overconfident Walcott stops to admire his work and BOOM! Jeff lands his left hook on Jersey Joe's chin. Walcott struggles to his feet at seven and Jeff tears into him. A left to the liver and a right to the neck and Walcott is out!
Ali gets decked by a Schmeling right late in the third round, then gets up and beats Max all over the ring. The beating continues in the 4th and 5th rounds. In the 6th, Schmeling refuses to come out.
Cap
Sullivan was a brawler. He was also only about 5'10". Fighting under Marquis of Queensberry Rules, I see him being picked apart by the larger Braddock (6' 2 1/2" and 195), easily outboxed, and put on the canvas three or four times before the ref stops it. Braddock loved fighting big punchers with no defence.
Louis does to Willard what he did to Abe Simon and Buddy Baer, but Willard was tough and hangs around to the later rounds when he is saved by the referee.
Fitzsimmons weighed less than 170 most days. Sharkey was almost as big as Jeffries and he could box and hit hard. On a good day Jack kayos Fitzsimmons. On a bad day he just decisions him.
Tunney was fast and a brilliant ring tactician. He fought Dempsey when the latter was past his best years. Marciano applies continuous pressure to Tunney and wears him down slowly. In the 14th or 15th round, he stops Tunney with a barrage of punches in the corner.
Max Baer is a clown. He tries everything and can't touch Jack Johnson, but Johnson hurts him with his jab and with terrific uppercuts. After 3 rounds Baer starts looking for a way to quit. In the 4th Johnson smacks him upside his head and he goes down and stays down.
Walcott outboxes Jeffries, but the Boilermaker keeps coming, stalking Walcott, looking for an opening. In the 8th round, an overconfident Walcott stops to admire his work and BOOM! Jeff lands his left hook on Jersey Joe's chin. Walcott struggles to his feet at seven and Jeff tears into him. A left to the liver and a right to the neck and Walcott is out!
Ali gets decked by a Schmeling right late in the third round, then gets up and beats Max all over the ring. The beating continues in the 4th and 5th rounds. In the 6th, Schmeling refuses to come out.
Cap
Ambling Amp said,
"The 16 fighters selected does leave a lot to be desired.
To be fair, it should be pointed out that since this took place in 1967 that Frazier wouldn't have been considered an all time great and Foreman wasn't even a professional.
Obviously Charles should have been in before Willard and Braddock, and possibly a few others.
It's also silly that neither Liston or Patterson made it. "
Amplling Amp, I was saying that IF I had to chose my top 16 Heavyweights of ALL-TIME (from June 2006), I would have Foreman and Frazier in there.
I would also even look at, Lennox Lewis, The Young Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, etc...
The point I was trying to make was that since 1967 (when the tournament started) there has been many great fighters, who would have (at least) a shout at being in the tournament.
I agree that Ezzard Charles should've been put in there, because he was (at least) an equal to JJ Walcott, I don't know why they excluded him from the tournament and I'll probably never know why...
ANYWAY,
People lets please stick with the 16 boxers that Murray Worener picked, I mean like it was his tournament...
Thanks for your posts folks, keep the predictions coming...
"The 16 fighters selected does leave a lot to be desired.
To be fair, it should be pointed out that since this took place in 1967 that Frazier wouldn't have been considered an all time great and Foreman wasn't even a professional.
Obviously Charles should have been in before Willard and Braddock, and possibly a few others.
It's also silly that neither Liston or Patterson made it. "
Amplling Amp, I was saying that IF I had to chose my top 16 Heavyweights of ALL-TIME (from June 2006), I would have Foreman and Frazier in there.
I would also even look at, Lennox Lewis, The Young Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, etc...
The point I was trying to make was that since 1967 (when the tournament started) there has been many great fighters, who would have (at least) a shout at being in the tournament.
I agree that Ezzard Charles should've been put in there, because he was (at least) an equal to JJ Walcott, I don't know why they excluded him from the tournament and I'll probably never know why...
ANYWAY,
People lets please stick with the 16 boxers that Murray Worener picked, I mean like it was his tournament...
Thanks for your posts folks, keep the predictions coming...
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Jack Dempsey TKO Corbett 12th
John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock. points
Joe Louis v. Jess Willard. KO second round
Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey. Points
Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney. TKO 15th
Max Baer v. Jack Johnson. TKO 3rd
Jim Jeffries v. Jersey Joe Walcott. DRAW (danno hard to tell)
Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling. KO 5th
John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock. points
Joe Louis v. Jess Willard. KO second round
Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey. Points
Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney. TKO 15th
Max Baer v. Jack Johnson. TKO 3rd
Jim Jeffries v. Jersey Joe Walcott. DRAW (danno hard to tell)
Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling. KO 5th
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scartissue
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jezzamundo
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1. Jack Dempsey v. Jim Corbett.
2. John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock.
3. Joe Louis v. Jess Willard.
4. Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey.
5. Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney.
6. Max Baer v. Jack Johnson.
7. Jim Jeffries v. Jersey Joe Walcott.
8. Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling.
Dempsey TKO4 Corbett
Sullivan UD15 Braddock
Louis KO12 Willard
Fitzsimmons UD15 Sharkey
Marciano KO9 Tunney
Johnson UD15 Baer
Jeffries UD15 Walcott
Ali TKO13 Schmeling
2. John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock.
3. Joe Louis v. Jess Willard.
4. Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey.
5. Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney.
6. Max Baer v. Jack Johnson.
7. Jim Jeffries v. Jersey Joe Walcott.
8. Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling.
Dempsey TKO4 Corbett
Sullivan UD15 Braddock
Louis KO12 Willard
Fitzsimmons UD15 Sharkey
Marciano KO9 Tunney
Johnson UD15 Baer
Jeffries UD15 Walcott
Ali TKO13 Schmeling
Dempsey KO 3 Corbett
Sullivan TKO 14 Braddock
Louis TKO 5 Willard
Sharkey WUD 15 Fitzsimmons
Tunney WSD 15 Marciano (Rocky floors him late and has him out on his feet but loses a hotly contested decision)
Johnson WTKO 14 Baer
Walcott WSD 15 Jeffries (Jim starts to get to Joe at the end and 2 more rounds and he'd have KO'd him)
Ali WUD 15 Schmeling
Sullivan TKO 14 Braddock
Louis TKO 5 Willard
Sharkey WUD 15 Fitzsimmons
Tunney WSD 15 Marciano (Rocky floors him late and has him out on his feet but loses a hotly contested decision)
Johnson WTKO 14 Baer
Walcott WSD 15 Jeffries (Jim starts to get to Joe at the end and 2 more rounds and he'd have KO'd him)
Ali WUD 15 Schmeling
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HomicideHenry
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1. Jack Dempsey v. Jim Corbett. Dempsey wins by KO round 6. Anyone Jeffries can best Jack can "best better".
2. John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock. Braddock wins on points decision I think Braddock's more modern style would befuddle Sullivan. I happen to think boxing gets better with time.
3. Joe Louis v. Jess Willard. Louis wins by KO round 11. Louis can't understand why a guy this big is so easy for him and takes more time than he really needs to.
4. Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey. Fitzsimmons wins on points decision. But no one is quite sure if Jack was paid to take a dive...Jack says Bob just had a good day and swears everything was on the level.
5. Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney. Tunney wins on very close points descision. Marciano fans riot, tear down the stadium and petition the boxing commission to investigate the fight as the judges must be corrupt since everyone knows the Rock can not be beat.
6. Max Baer v. Jack Johnson. Jack finesses his way around some huge bombs for the most part, though Max finds Jack a seat twice in one round but Maxy lets victory slip away as he spends too much time giving Jack's girl friend the eye.
7. Jim Jeffries v. Joe Walcott. Great fight but Joe has the knowledge from a future era and befuddles Jim with a slipperyness that Corbett could only dream of and easily outpoints the big guy.
8. Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling. Ali has a particularly "on" night and turns in a combination Terrell/Williams performance taunts Max for 11 rounds and Max goes down in 12 from exhaustion from accumulated damage.
2. John L. Sullivan v. Jim Braddock. Braddock wins on points decision I think Braddock's more modern style would befuddle Sullivan. I happen to think boxing gets better with time.
3. Joe Louis v. Jess Willard. Louis wins by KO round 11. Louis can't understand why a guy this big is so easy for him and takes more time than he really needs to.
4. Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jack Sharkey. Fitzsimmons wins on points decision. But no one is quite sure if Jack was paid to take a dive...Jack says Bob just had a good day and swears everything was on the level.
5. Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney. Tunney wins on very close points descision. Marciano fans riot, tear down the stadium and petition the boxing commission to investigate the fight as the judges must be corrupt since everyone knows the Rock can not be beat.
6. Max Baer v. Jack Johnson. Jack finesses his way around some huge bombs for the most part, though Max finds Jack a seat twice in one round but Maxy lets victory slip away as he spends too much time giving Jack's girl friend the eye.
7. Jim Jeffries v. Joe Walcott. Great fight but Joe has the knowledge from a future era and befuddles Jim with a slipperyness that Corbett could only dream of and easily outpoints the big guy.
8. Muhammad Ali v. Max Schmeling. Ali has a particularly "on" night and turns in a combination Terrell/Williams performance taunts Max for 11 rounds and Max goes down in 12 from exhaustion from accumulated damage.
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Seamus wrote:Jack Dempsey WUD 15 James J Corbett
James J Braddock WUD 15 John L Sullivan
Joe Louis KO 6 Jess Willard
Bob Fitzsimmons WUD 15 Jack Sharkey
Gene Tunney WUD 15 Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson WUD 15 Max Baer
James J Jeffries KO 12 Joe Walcott
Muhammad Ali TKO 8 Max Schmeling
dempsey TKO 6 corbett
louis KO 2 willard
sullivan TKO 10 braddock
Sharkey 15 unanimous fitzimmons
marciano KO 14 gene tunney- tunney slightly ahead at time of the knockout. tunney gets worn down by marciano and cant handle rockys power in the late rounds
johnson 15 unanimous baer- wide decision, baers face a bloody mess afterward
ali TKO 12 schmeling
walcott 15 split jeffries
Puzzled how anyone could see John L Sullivan beating James J. Braddock. Sullivan in his prime was just a brawler like one of these MMAUFC punks. No boxing skills at all. None. Zero. Braddock would've had a field day with the little guy, putting his left in Sullivan's face every time the dumb Boston boyo made one of his bull-like rushes. Then crossing with his right, to put Sully down hard. Braddock loses only if he puts both hands behind his back and sticks his chin out.
Cap
Cap
In my "Joe- Jess" scenario I have Joe puzzled at the ease in which he is controlling the fight.....at first he thinks he's being set up, then as he figures out the hapless state of his opponent around the 4th round he just settles in to get some wanted excercise.
Jess Willard was the oddball champion in this scenario from my point of view...Ezzard, Liston, Johannsen, Patterson, Burns, Hart, any of them would have been a better choice......from my point of view.
Side note....Oddly enough Sharkey buys himself a brand new Packard just days after the fight with Bob.
Jess Willard was the oddball champion in this scenario from my point of view...Ezzard, Liston, Johannsen, Patterson, Burns, Hart, any of them would have been a better choice......from my point of view.
Side note....Oddly enough Sharkey buys himself a brand new Packard just days after the fight with Bob.
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Sullivan reigned for over 10 years as a bare-knuckle champion and reigned almost 8yrs under the Marquis of Queensubury. Many of his opponents said the man used many feints and had good skills, just his ferocity and power was so awesome. Besides we're talking HEAVYWEIGHT and Sullivan beat the best Heavyweights of his time, while Braddock was a washed up Light Heavyweight who jumped to Heavyweight and miracuously won a few fights at Heavyweight. His win over Baer was a joke---as Max clowned for 14 rounds and in the 15th brought on the hurt and Braddock some how managed to take his bombs.Puzzled how anyone could see John L Sullivan beating James J. Braddock. Sullivan in his prime was just a brawler like one of these MMAUFC punks. No boxing skills at all. None. Zero. Braddock would've had a field day with the little guy, putting his left in Sullivan's face every time the dumb Boston boyo made one of his bull-like rushes. Then crossing with his right, to put Sully down hard. Braddock loses only if he puts both hands behind his back and sticks his chin out.
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Believe me if Baer had fought that way from round one onwards, Braddock would have been destroyed inside of two rounds---that's why I picked John L. Sullivan in ways, because he was relentless and of course, as a Heavyweight, Braddock was over-the-hill. Better skills? Yes...but I don't think he could really handle himself a real fighter with punching prowess at Heavyweight.
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Cap wrote:Puzzled how anyone could see John L Sullivan beating James J. Braddock. Sullivan in his prime was just a brawler like one of these MMAUFC punks. No boxing skills at all. None. Zero. Braddock would've had a field day with the little guy, putting his left in Sullivan's face every time the dumb Boston boyo made one of his bull-like rushes. Then crossing with his right, to put Sully down hard. Braddock loses only if he puts both hands behind his back and sticks his chin out.
Cap
wow no respect for john L. he was a lot better than u state. he was far past his prime and way out of shape when he fought corbett. a prime sullivan was a devastating puncher and a lot better skill than u think.
go watch the old fat sullivan do a mock sparring, WHAT A FEINTER HE WAS, he did some of the best feints i have ever seen! he also got his full body into his punches