I think Canelo is gonna have first a tune-up fight before he gets a top opponent

[lazboy]

He would make a mockery of Eubank Jr and most likely stop him. It might also improve Canelo's image....I'm pretty sure Eubank Jr is not well liked. Canelo gets to display his far superior skills, he most likely looks good while beating a generally obnoxious boxing personality. That's a win, win and build's hype for a more meaningful fight.

Actualy, Eubank brings some serious threats on the table, mostly his volume punching, excellent stamina and exceptional toughness. This would be very interesting fight

Personally I don’t see him as a threat But I’ve been wrong before. I feel like fitness and toughness are not enough at that level. Not only that but Canelo himself has excellent conditioning and toughness.

[margaret thatcher]

Eubank didn;t show some great workrate vs Saunders or Groves, he only does it when in control

[jamesmcdonnell]

Eubank Jr doesn't have the footwork to punch with a slicker opponent.

Canelo would embarrass him big time and probably stop him late doors.

[The Asleep Lamps]

Everybody start praying to the boxing gods. https://www.ringtv.com/603580-callum-sm ... elo-fight/

According to the Journal Quebec, promoter Camille Estephan and Golden Boy Promotions president Eric Gomez are having discussions about Canelo facing David Lemieux on the 12th September.

“David is indeed in the discussions,” said Lemieux’s promoter Camille Estephan to the Journal de Montréal. I spoke to Eric Gomez (one of the bosses of Golden Boy) on Thursday about this.

“We are still at the early stage in this file. It will depend on the offers made to us. One thing’s for sure, David is not going to fight for a bargain.”

For the record, Canelo and David Lemieux are fellow GBP stablemates, so the bout should be easy to make.

Welp It's not terrible but I'm not signing up to DAZN for that fight. I already paid $ for GGG vs Lemieux. PS I know I'm difficult for wanting career-defining fights still during the pandemic.

[Thomastearns]

Well it looks as if Billy Joe Saunders doesn't want it. Not for September at any rate.

Says he's not ready! Ready for what -
the multi-million dollar career high purse, or the VADA testing?

Maybe he needs a more knowledgeable 'nutritionist' to help him properly prepare.

You won't catch Saul with his pants down so amateurishly again. He'll be prepared fit and flushed, count on it. Can't have Mauricio grovelling so abjectly again, can we.

Anyway, Chris Eubank Jr seems very much game for it. Just as well as he remains one of the few top British boxers who hasn't failed a drug test.

A Eubank v Alvarez matchup would be interesting, but can Eddie deliver now he's failed to persuade BJS?

Here's Eubank stepping up the trash talking!


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailym ... -rant.html

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Eubank is mildly interesting given the circumstances. Canelo wins every round though

[Enlightened-One]

Well it looks as if Billy Joe Saunders doesn't want it. Not for September at any rate.

Says he's not ready! Ready for what -
the multi-million dollar career high purse, or the VADA testing?

Maybe he needs a more knowledgeable 'nutritionist' to help him properly prepare.

It’s a once in a lifetime opportunity to fight Canelo.

And if Billy Joe Saunders has been unable to keep himself in shape during the lockdown, then he’s perhaps right to reject an opportunity he’s physically ill-prepared for.

If he accepted the fight and gave a feeble account of himself, then it may end his career.

And for the record, I don’t consider him as being a drug cheat.

He apparently consumed a common decongestant nasal spray, which contained substances that didn’t breach any of the rules of USADA, WADA, UKAD nor the BBBofC.

Billy didn’t have his license withdrawn by UKAD or by the BBBofC.

[margaret thatcher]

Maybe he shoulda tried the unprotected sex argument

[Enlightened-One]

Billy Joe insists that GBP is intentionally trying to arrange opponents’ for Canelo at short-notice, giving them as little time as possible to prepare (similar to the Sergey Kovalev situation).

And he’s been unable to train due to the lockdown restrictions. So he couldn’t achieve 100% peak fitness by the revised September 12th fight-date, which is only sixty-six days away, with the Brit arguing that two-weeks' of the remaining timescale would be consumed travelling to promote the event.

He also claims they were asking him to take a significant pay cut from the terms he’d previously agreed for their cancelled May bout. Billy Joe says he could earn more fighting the likes of Andrade and Smith.

Saunders suspects that fellow Matchroom stablemate, Callum Smith, will also reject the opportunity to face Canelo, based on the small sums being offered.

Billy Joe believes that Sergiy Derevyanchenko has been offered the Canelo bout as well, but the purse is less than half the amount the Ukrainian received for the controversial GGG fight.

And for the record, Derevyanchenko has received offers from fellow Al Haymon stablemate, Jermall Charlo, with a decision expected to be made this week.

So assuming GBP really are lowballing Canelo’s peers for the September 12th fight-date, then we should expect the Mexican to face an unheralded and anonymous opponent, someone willing to accept a small purse.

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if my prediction is eventually proven to be incorrect.

[Thomastearns]

We understand that Canelo/GBP are just basically looking for a body to turn up, fall down and leave with a maximally squeezed paycheck.

Nothing new there.

The 'big one' will be with GGG next year, if anyone still cares by then.

Still, this short notice stuff is suspicious. The dangers of 'letting yourself go' between fights have long been known and are not to be recommended - short notice or not.

In Andy Ruiz's case last year, the short notice quickly became Joshua's problem, not Ruiz's.

I still think it will be Eubank Jr ahead of Derevyanchenko, but yeah, it would be a nice surprise if it wasn't. I think Eubank will take it if offered.

We shall all soon find out.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Derevyanchenko v charlo is a very good fight

[Enlightened-One]

We understand that Canelo/GBP are just basically looking for a body to turn up, fall down and leave with a maximally squeezed paycheck.

Nothing new there.

The 'big one' will be with GGG next year, if anyone still cares by then.

Still, this short notice stuff is suspicious.

Canelo's contract with DAZN apparently includes a guarantee that he'll earn a minimum of $365m to engage in eleven bouts over five years.

So he's basically earning a guaranteed minimum of $33.2m per bout. And DAZN is attempting to use his September 12th fight-date to launch the streaming service globally, which includes the UK.

I'm guessing that it's in everyone's best interests, at such short notice, to allow Canelo to engage in a tune-up, because they can pay an unheralded name a much smaller purse than Alvarez's high-profile rivals.

Canelo is going to earn a rough minimum of $33.2m regardless as to whomever he faces. All he'll care about is facing a sanctioned opponent that allows him to retain ownership of his titles, because he surely can't have lofty expectations, considering his next fight is only sixty-five days away.

I suspect that most of us will inevitably be disappointed about Canelo's choice of opponent for his September 12th fight-date. However, we have to remember that DAZN has lost an awful lot of money due to the COVID-19 lockdowns. They might not be able to afford to fund a marquee calibre bout.

DAZN is probably hoping that Canelo’s name alone is big enough to ensure a successful global launch, which will allow them to recoup some of their massive losses.

I also feel that Canelo is entitled to a free pass on this occasion. We shouldn't forget that four of last five fights have been against GGG (twice), Daniel Jacobs and also Sergey Kovalev. No other fighter in our beloved sport has mixed with better opposition over the last three years.

[Enlightened-One]

"Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez: 'Very good chance he fights British opponent' with Callum Smith and John Ryder in the running"

"Some really good fighters are available to fight Canelo in September and that's what we are working on now"

Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez "wants to fight the best" and British pair Callum Smith and John Ryder each have a "very good chance" of getting the opportunity to face him, says Golden Boy president Eric Gomez.

The Mexican superstar is considering opponents for September 14 in Las Vegas at a behind-closed-doors venue and "wants the top guys that are available".

Billy Joe Saunders, who holds the WBO super-middleweight title, withdrew from the running citing a lack of preparation time and Gomez reacted: "Some champions are not available."

But asked about whether Canelo could face a Brit in Smith or Ryder, promoter Gomez exclusively told Sky Sports: "There is a very good chance. There are a couple of guys we are looking at as a possibility."

Smith is the unbeaten WBA super-middleweight champion who narrowly beat Ryder last year.

But Gomez acknowledged that a US-based opponent would be "easier", adding: "We don't have to deal with any visa restrictions that have been imposed by the government. If there is someone already here in the US? That helps.

"It is more difficult now because of the restrictions. The borders are not all open so it isn't easy to bring some fighters to the US.

"It all depends on the negotiations. We are not living in the world that we lived in last year. Canelo will be taking a significant pay-cut.

"It depends on the negotiations.

"Anybody willing to come to the table and be reasonable, he will fight.

"We are not discarding any of the top guys."

Sergiy Derevyanchenko and David Lemieux, both ex-opponents of Gennadiy Golovkin, are also options for Canelo's next fight.

"The top-ranked guys and a few champions that are out there," is how Gomez described the short-list of possibilities.

He added: "If you look at Canelo's career, he has always wanted to fight the best and it's no different here, he still wants to fight the best.

"But some really good fighters are available to fight Canelo in September and that's what we are working on now.

"We're talking to him and presenting different ideas for him to be able to fight in September.

"The big concern that he has is the protocols. If he fights in September, there will be no fans. We are in communication with him and soon he will make a decision - does he want to fight without fans or wait until there is some sort of normalcy again?

"Canelo is a young man in his prime years and he wants to take advantage of the fact that he can still fight at a high level. To take a year off would be very damaging in his prime. That is the motivation.

"He wants to keep proving that he is the best fighter in the world."

After Saunders withdrew himself, Smith's trainer Joe Gallagher told Sky Sports: "It's supposed to have been a two-horse race, wasn't it? Now he's pulling himself out of it, Canelo has got no excuse now, but to fight Callum Smith.

"If that date and opportunity is put to Callum Smith, he's ready to go."

Ryder told Sky Sports: "There's a few names in the hat. Hopefully my name is at the top and it gets picked out.

"Listen, he's looking for an opponent, and I know the money is not there for these big shows. It's a chance in a lifetime, I'm up for it."

Ryder's trainer Tony Sims told Sky Sports: "I know that Canelo and Eddy Reynoso, his trainer, watched the Callum Smith-John Ryder fight and Eddy Reynoso tweeted straight afterwards that he had John winning the fight by a few rounds.

"He actually put out there that John should be the world champion, so they know all about John Ryder anyway.

"Canelo is obviously the world's best. I believe he's the world's best pound-for-pound, especially at the minute. He's a great fighter."

Canelo has held major belts in four divisions, most recently knocking out WBO light-heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev.

[Evander]

Canelo has no one to fight.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Canelo Taking "Significant Paycut" in Next Fight, Says Golden Boy Prez

Golden Boy Promotions President Eric Gomez, who promotes Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, confirms that John Ryder and WBA super middleweight champion Callum Smith are potential opponents for the Mexican superstar.

Although Gomez cautions that Ryder and Smith are not the only possibilities in the running - and he admits that it would be easier to finalize a deal with an opponent from the United States - due to the restrictions pertaining to the coronavirus pandemic.

Canelo is slated to return on a tentative date of September 14 in Las Vegas.

The opponent will ultimately depend on the finances, since Canelo will not get paid his usual guarantee for the next fight.

Canelo signed an 11 fight deal, worth $365 million, with streaming service DAZN in 2018.

Because his next fight will likely take place behind closed doors, there won't any revenue generated from a live crowd.

Fighters like David Lemieux and Sergiy Derevyanchenko have already made it clear that they are not going to fight someone like Canelo for a low sum.

"There is a very good chance [Canelo could face Smith or Ryder]. There are a couple of guys we are looking at as a possibility," Gomez said to Sky Sports.

"[If we get an opponent in the United States] we don't have to deal with any visa restrictions that have been imposed by the government. If there is someone already here in the US? That helps. It is more difficult now because of the restrictions. The borders are not all open so it isn't easy to bring some fighters to the US.

"It all depends on the negotiations. We are not living in the world that we lived in last year. Canelo will be taking a significant paycut. It depends on the negotiations. Anybody willing to come to the table and be reasonable, he will fight. We are not discarding any of the top guys."

[Cent0089]

Canelo Taking "Significant Paycut" in Next Fight, Says Golden Boy Prez

Golden Boy Promotions President Eric Gomez, who promotes Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, confirms that John Ryder and WBA super middleweight champion Callum Smith are potential opponents for the Mexican superstar.

Although Gomez cautions that Ryder and Smith are not the only possibilities in the running - and he admits that it would be easier to finalize a deal with an opponent from the United States - due to the restrictions pertaining to the coronavirus pandemic.

Canelo is slated to return on a tentative date of September 14 in Las Vegas.

The opponent will ultimately depend on the finances, since Canelo will not get paid his usual guarantee for the next fight.

Canelo signed an 11 fight deal, worth $365 million, with streaming service DAZN in 2018.

Because his next fight will likely take place behind closed doors, there won't any revenue generated from a live crowd.

Fighters like David Lemieux and Sergiy Derevyanchenko have already made it clear that they are not going to fight someone like Canelo for a low sum.

"There is a very good chance [Canelo could face Smith or Ryder]. There are a couple of guys we are looking at as a possibility," Gomez said to Sky Sports.

"[If we get an opponent in the United States] we don't have to deal with any visa restrictions that have been imposed by the government. If there is someone already here in the US? That helps. It is more difficult now because of the restrictions. The borders are not all open so it isn't easy to bring some fighters to the US.

"It all depends on the negotiations. We are not living in the world that we lived in last year. Canelo will be taking a significant paycut. It depends on the negotiations. Anybody willing to come to the table and be reasonable, he will fight. We are not discarding any of the top guys."

Just re watched Smith - Ryder fight. IMO Ryder won that. Smith, as a tall fighter did everything wrong in that fight. Okay, if jabbing and long distance fighting not working, tall man has other tricks he can use. Effective clinching, uppercuts in close distance, he did not use that. Ryder was literraly asking for that richt uppercuts being short southpaw. When he got close, Smith just stayed defensive on with guard and no clinching. You can take a lot of steam from short oponent is you hang on him sometimes. Instead of all these tactics, Smith did worst thing you can do. Exchanging hooks with short oponent. Plus all that missed hooks looked very bad and amateurish. On the other side, Ryder looked good, he made his short height and reach an advantage in that fight.

[Enlightened-One]

Canelo Taking "Significant Paycut" in Next Fight, Says Golden Boy Prez

Golden Boy Promotions President Eric Gomez, who promotes Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, confirms that John Ryder and WBA super middleweight champion Callum Smith are potential opponents for the Mexican superstar.

Although Gomez cautions that Ryder and Smith are not the only possibilities in the running - and he admits that it would be easier to finalize a deal with an opponent from the United States - due to the restrictions pertaining to the coronavirus pandemic.

Canelo is slated to return on a tentative date of September 14 in Las Vegas.

The opponent will ultimately depend on the finances, since Canelo will not get paid his usual guarantee for the next fight.

Canelo signed an 11 fight deal, worth $365 million, with streaming service DAZN in 2018.

Because his next fight will likely take place behind closed doors, there won't any revenue generated from a live crowd.

Fighters like David Lemieux and Sergiy Derevyanchenko have already made it clear that they are not going to fight someone like Canelo for a low sum.

"There is a very good chance [Canelo could face Smith or Ryder]. There are a couple of guys we are looking at as a possibility," Gomez said to Sky Sports.

"[If we get an opponent in the United States] we don't have to deal with any visa restrictions that have been imposed by the government. If there is someone already here in the US? That helps. It is more difficult now because of the restrictions. The borders are not all open so it isn't easy to bring some fighters to the US.

"It all depends on the negotiations. We are not living in the world that we lived in last year. Canelo will be taking a significant paycut. It depends on the negotiations. Anybody willing to come to the table and be reasonable, he will fight. We are not discarding any of the top guys."

The Canelo-Golovkin rematch generated $23.5m in gate receipts, with their first bout achieving $27m.

So yes, Canelo will be taking a pay cut for his September 12th fight. However, he’ll still receive $32m+ from DAZN, which is a pretty massive payday considering both the environment and opponent will likely be subpar.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The Canelo-Golovkin rematch generated $23.5m in gate receipts, with their first bout achieving $27m.

So yes, Canelo will be taking a pay cut for his September 12th fight. However, he’ll still receive $32m+ from DAZN, which is a pretty massive payday considering both the environment and opponent will likely be subpar.

They have to find someone who is also willing to take a 'challenger' paycut.

The question is, how much of a pay cut is Canelo taking and what's their budget for the opponent?

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Fighters like David Lemieux and Sergiy Derevyanchenko have already made it clear that they are not going to fight someone like Canelo for a low sum.

Clearly, this is their biggest pay day. They know they can't win and will not fight for anything less they may have gotten pre-covid..

Well I hope they both get blacklisted.. If this is an opportunity, to still make a career-high payday for both.

If they're gonna turn it down now, or anyone else for that matter (uless you're a NAME and will actually help with subs and attendance figures), then you shouldn't be complaining.

[brilo33]

Canelo Taking "Significant Paycut" in Next Fight, Says Golden Boy Prez

Golden Boy Promotions President Eric Gomez, who promotes Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, confirms that John Ryder and WBA super middleweight champion Callum Smith are potential opponents for the Mexican superstar.

Although Gomez cautions that Ryder and Smith are not the only possibilities in the running - and he admits that it would be easier to finalize a deal with an opponent from the United States - due to the restrictions pertaining to the coronavirus pandemic.

Canelo is slated to return on a tentative date of September 14 in Las Vegas.

The opponent will ultimately depend on the finances, since Canelo will not get paid his usual guarantee for the next fight.

Canelo signed an 11 fight deal, worth $365 million, with streaming service DAZN in 2018.

Because his next fight will likely take place behind closed doors, there won't any revenue generated from a live crowd.

Fighters like David Lemieux and Sergiy Derevyanchenko have already made it clear that they are not going to fight someone like Canelo for a low sum.

"There is a very good chance [Canelo could face Smith or Ryder]. There are a couple of guys we are looking at as a possibility," Gomez said to Sky Sports.

"[If we get an opponent in the United States] we don't have to deal with any visa restrictions that have been imposed by the government. If there is someone already here in the US? That helps. It is more difficult now because of the restrictions. The borders are not all open so it isn't easy to bring some fighters to the US.

"It all depends on the negotiations. We are not living in the world that we lived in last year. Canelo will be taking a significant paycut. It depends on the negotiations. Anybody willing to come to the table and be reasonable, he will fight. We are not discarding any of the top guys."

Just re watched Smith - Ryder fight. IMO Ryder won that. Smith, as a tall fighter did everything wrong in that fight. Okay, if jabbing and long distance fighting not working, tall man has other tricks he can use. Effective clinching, uppercuts in close distance, he did not use that. Ryder was literraly asking for that richt uppercuts being short southpaw. When he got close, Smith just stayed defensive on with guard and no clinching. You can take a lot of steam from short oponent is you hang on him sometimes. Instead of all these tactics, Smith did worst thing you can do. Exchanging hooks with short oponent. Plus all that missed hooks looked very bad and amateurish. On the other side, Ryder looked good, he made his short height and reach an advantage in that fight.

i agree i big fan of both fighters, iam a londoner have known about john since he started , the boy has had so close decision go the other way , he fought a good game plan on smith that night, smith was even turning his back on him, john has been on a good roll even though he lost that fight on the cards, he will give canelo a fight , john is a strong lad likes the inside fight be interesting to see him at saul at close quaters same size aswell , moves well john aint no stiff love to see are boy bring the belt back

[Enlightened-One]

Billy Joe believes that Sergiy Derevyanchenko has been offered the Canelo bout as well, but the purse is less than half the amount the Ukrainian received for the controversial GGG fight.

And for the record, Derevyanchenko has received offers from fellow Al Haymon stablemate, Jermall Charlo, with a decision expected to be made this week.

It looks likely that Sergiy Derevyanchenko will be facing Jermall Charlo in September or October, with the deal apparently being finalised.

The PBC bout will be televised by Fox or Showtime, with both guys competing for the WBC world middleweight title.

So I think it's safe to assume the Ukranian won't be Canelo's next opponent.

Could the Mexican be facing Callum Smith or John Ryder next, with the latter being the cheaper option?

[Bandog]

Canelo has no one to fight.

Why not use Andrade for a tune up? He is willing to move up and fight Canelo. I think the contrast in styles would make for a great fight. Easy to make as well.

[Enlightened-One]

Canelo has no one to fight.

Why not use Andrade for a tune up? He is willing to move up and fight Canelo. I think the contrast in styles would make for a great fight. Easy to make as well.

"The truth is he hasn't fought with anyone, hasn't fought against anyone, and he's also boring, very boring," Canelo said.

"Maybe he's a good fighter, but he's a boring fighter, and at the end of the day, when there's a boring fight, people are going to blame me. I like fights where there's action, where people can enjoy a good show. That's very important for me. But also he doesn't represent a challenge for me, as well, because he hasn't fought against anybody."

And to be fair, Canelo has a point, because it's hard to support someone like Demetrius Andrade, whose career-best victory came against Vanes Martirosyan. The American fighter isn't good to watch.

And the reason for this situation seems to be a classic case of Andrade making a series of poor career decisions, because:

• There was a point in time, fairly recently, when he openly admitted to not being ready to face Billy Joe Saunders, even though the Brit had previously said he was willing to fight him (and even Andrade acknowledged this)
• He’s been very inactive throughout his career
• Allowed his WBO 154lbs title to be stripped due to inactivity (without providing any reason for his inability to fight)
• Vacated his 154lbs WBA belt without making a meaningful defence
• Rejected fights against Matt Korobov, Erislandy Lara and one of the Charlo brothers, despite one or two of them accompanied with career-high payday offers
• Turned down a three-fight deal with Showtime

There is no big payday opportunity currently on the horizon for Andrade to consider. All of his big-name rivals have far bigger fish to fry.

[Thomastearns]

"Maybe he's a good fighter, but he's a boring fighter, and at the end of the day, when there's a boring fight, people are going to blame me. I like fights where there's action, where people can enjoy a good show. That's very important for me. But also he doesn't represent a challenge for me, as well, because he hasn't fought against anybody."


That's real lame, even for a drug cheating, Las Vegas A sider, judges in his pocket, charisma bypass bum like him.

The old Mayweather scam tactics are wearing pretty thin now Saul. Did it hurt to miss cinquo de Mayo? Grito de Dolores too soon?

[Evander]

Canelo has no one to fight.

Why not use Andrade for a tune up? He is willing to move up and fight Canelo. I think the contrast in styles would make for a great fight. Easy to make as well.

Canelo is an elite level boxer, only big names or established fighters will come his way I would think.

[Enlightened-One]

"Maybe he's a good fighter, but he's a boring fighter, and at the end of the day, when there's a boring fight, people are going to blame me. I like fights where there's action, where people can enjoy a good show. That's very important for me. But also he doesn't represent a challenge for me, as well, because he hasn't fought against anybody."


That's real lame, even for a drug cheating, Las Vegas A sider, judges in his pocket, charisma bypass bum like him.

The old Mayweather scam tactics are wearing pretty thin now Saul. Did it hurt to miss cinquo de Mayo? Grito de Dolores too soon?

To be fair, and I’m only providing a counterargument for the sake of balance, but Andrade is a deeply unimpressive fighter to watch, with a pretty poor resume. He has got a lot of talent though, as unpleasant as it is to watch.

If you’re a promoter, a network or an A-side fighter seeking opportunities to maximise revenue and audience figures, would you rather face a big-name opponent with a crowd-pleasing fighting style or a talented fighter like Andrade that is fairly anonymous and is also capable of making a glass eye go to sleep?

It goes well beyond the risk-versus-reward ratio, because I'm not even sure the networks would willingly sanction Andrade as a suitable candidate to face Canelo.

Even GGG wasn't interested in facing Andrade, because he chose to fight Steve Rolls rather than exploit his mandatory challenger position to challenge for the WBO world middleweight title held by Demetrius.

And let's face it, Andrade has caused his own predicament by making so many poor career choices, which I listed previously.