Floyd Mayweather lashes out after being ranked behind Sugar Ray Leonard in list of best welterweights

[Enlightened-One]

Manny Pacquiao ducked Floyd Mayweather Jr. when he refused to take the fight scheduled for March 2010.

[oogiebe]

Manny Pacquiao ducked Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 2010.

the dirty drug cheat!

[lazboy]

Narcissism or Asperger’s? How to Tell the Difference

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/narcis ... ce-1114174

After a quick read as a layman and looking at the table, I'm more siding toward some type of personality disorder (narcissism).

If I write something that is factually correct about a fan favourite, such as GGG or Manny Pacquiao, but portrays them in an unfavourable light, their die-hard fans always resort to personal insults or employ red herring debating tactics, to divert attention away from the facts they can’t refute.

If I provide a set of statistics that are similarly impossible for many people to refute, which don’t fit their preferred narrative, then they try to prevent others from seeing them, by burying them beneath a barrage of irrelevant posts.

Another dishonest debating tactic is to employ strawman fallacies, whereby people intentionally misrepresent my stance in order to pretend they’re successfully refuting a claim I never made, simply because it’s far easier to undermine something that is utterly ridiculous than any inconventient real-world easily-verifiable objective truths.

So how would you describe the personality of someone that resorts to lies in the manner described above?

I'm not trying to convince you or debate you. From what I gathered from various posts is that you present the simple argument...Manny ducked Floyd, as Manny refused to undergo drug testing.

Other posters have added further context. From the top of my head I have read...Manny had agreed to the fight and some type of drug testing but team Mayweather had requested (demanded?) a different type of drug testing, unusual to boxing at the time, put on Manny in the latter stages of negotiation(? perhaps). Obviously the contract hadn't been concluded. This seems to be some type of power play mixed with a genuine concern for a even playing field. Did team Mayweather know that Manny wouldn't accept this and what's next? Another clause/demand? I appreciate back in 2009/2010 team Manny could have thought that they would overcome Mayweather's popularity and become the A side. As I'm a fight fan, I'm not really concerned with this unless it's outrageously unjust, I just want the best to fight the best.

Manny claims he had a bad experience with testing of a similar nature and blamed this on his loss to Morales. How much weight does one give this? He's religious and may be superstitious....and a boxer's mental state is clearly important. But as a fight fan...again, we just want to see the best fight and I'm not as concerned with how Manny is feeling.

From my perspective, not being involved in this argument on boxrec, I think your simple argument is enough but other people are entitled to their views. It's disappointing that you were unable to consider other perspectives and were aggressive in your opinion.

On balance, it does looks like Manny would have fought Mayweather but for the drug testing clause and maybe some power play rationale. I think that's pretty disappointing on Manny's behalf and of course it creates suspicion that he was taking Peds. I'm sure there are other factors that haven't been revealed, but, as I see it, it's not a good look for Manny.

[Enlightened-One]

From my perspective, not being involved in this argument on boxrec, I think your simple argument is enough but other people are entitled to their views. It's disappointing that you were unable to consider other perspectives and were aggressive in your opinion.

On balance, it does looks like Manny would have fought Mayweather but for the drug testing clause and maybe some power play rationale. I think that's pretty disappointing on Manny's behalf and of course it creates suspicion that he was taking Peds. I'm sure there are other factors that haven't been revealed, but, as I see it, it's not a good look for Manny.

I was aggressive because other people fired shots, by resorting to personal insults. Read my comments in this thread and you'll appreciate this. I reacted rather than attacked.

I'm happy with people having different opinions. It's just that none of their theories are backed up by evidence, whereas I've provided proof that Pacquiao ducked Mayweather in 2010.

I've provided a lot of evidence, videos and interview transcripts. They all undermine these Pacquiao-biased theories. Review it and judge for yourself. You'll find that my words about Manny ducking Floyd are accurate.

It just looks like these Pactards are making up excuses for one of their favourite fighters, despite the obvious absence of proof (or whatever information is available, actually contradicts their beliefs).

People pretend that Mayweather's had requested non-standard tests, but he was simply requesting Olympic style testing that was commonplace in a whole host of sports.

Surely there has to be a valid reason why it was known as Olympic style testing since it was intended to be random unannounced blood-based testing administered by USADA that adhered to the WADA code. Mayweather Jr. even compromised by allowing a fourteen day cut-off for the testing, but Manny refused, the Filipino wanted far more time.

Floyd being the A-side, believed that Manny was a dirty fighter. And as the A-side, he wanted the Filipino to take the test. He also made his other opponents take the USADA test when they didn’t need to (before VADA became a thing). Team Pacquiao knew about the testing requirements from day one of the negotiations.

If you’re clean, what have you got to hide? I’ve taken blood tests and they don’t affect my athleticism. Pacquiao’s excuses just seem like nonsense to me, especially since blood-based PED testing has now become commonplace. As far as I’m concerned, no other fighter has made the same excuses have they?

And Manny's reluctance to undergo proper testing for most of his bouts, coupled with him refusing to provide his medical records to prove he was a clean athlete during his own defamation lawsuit he filed against Mayweather, as well as walking away from a career-high legacy-defining fight against Floyd in 2010, doesn't look good.

Did you follow the Pacquiao-Ariza-Rios debacle? And what about the VADA-Bradley situation? Or VADA-Thurman? I think there are valid reasons for people to speculate about Pacquiao's reasoning to reject the Mayweather fight in 2010.

Even Freddie Roach blames Pacquiao for the 2010 situation. His explanation concurred with evrything I've written.

[lazboy]

I don’t find anything particularly disagreeable about what you’ve said above, although I don’t have a grasp of all the facts and in the past you’ve provided skewed information, so I take it all pretty lightly.

[Enlightened-One]

I don’t find anything particularly disagreeable about what you’ve said above, although I don’t have a grasp of all the facts and in the past you’ve provided skewed information, so I take it all pretty lightly.

To be fair, how many times have you seen me engage in a debate with someone and they had the confidence or made the effort to provide evidence that justified their counter-argument? It almost never happens.

So it's your prerogative to ignore the evidence I nearly always provide and believe other people's unfounded theories.

Have you ever heard of the phrase "common misconception"?

[lazboy]

I don’t find anything particularly disagreeable about what you’ve said above, although I don’t have a grasp of all the facts and in the past you’ve provided skewed information, so I take it all pretty lightly.

To be fair, how many times have you seen me engage in a debate with someone and they had the confidence or made the effort to provide evidence that justified their counter-argument? It almost never happens.

So it's your prerogative to ignore the evidence I nearly always provide and believe other people's unfounded theories.

Have you ever heard of the phrase "common misconception"?

No, I’ve never heard that phrase, in fact I don’t think those are real words. All I know is, only some such percentage of the media had Canelo beating Lara.

[The Gratest]

So....after all that still no concrete evidence that Manny Pac is a dirty drug cheat? It would appear that your whole conclusion on this matter is based on a lie.

Oh dear. Ah well, better luck next time kid!

[oogiebe]

I don’t find anything particularly disagreeable about what you’ve said above, although I don’t have a grasp of all the facts and in the past you’ve provided skewed information, so I take it all pretty lightly.

To be fair, how many times have you seen me engage in a debate with someone and they had the confidence or made the effort to provide evidence that justified their counter-argument? It almost never happens.

So it's your prerogative to ignore the evidence I nearly always provide and believe other people's unfounded theories.

Have you ever heard of the phrase "common misconception"?

No, I’ve never heard that phrase, in fact I don’t think those are real words. All I know is, only some such percentage of the media had Canelo beating Lara.

LOL!!! The Canelo/Lara 'debate' was one for the books.

One who has to use an over abundance of verbiage has little to say.

[jamesmcdonnell]

From my perspective, not being involved in this argument on boxrec, I think your simple argument is enough but other people are entitled to their views. It's disappointing that you were unable to consider other perspectives and were aggressive in your opinion.

On balance, it does looks like Manny would have fought Mayweather but for the drug testing clause and maybe some power play rationale. I think that's pretty disappointing on Manny's behalf and of course it creates suspicion that he was taking Peds. I'm sure there are other factors that haven't been revealed, but, as I see it, it's not a good look for Manny.

I was aggressive because other people fired shots, by resorting to personal insults. Read my comments in this thread and you'll appreciate this. I reacted rather than attacked.

I'm happy with people having different opinions. It's just that none of their theories are backed up by evidence, whereas I've provided proof that Pacquiao ducked Mayweather in 2010.

I've provided a lot of evidence, videos and interview transcripts. They all undermine these Pacquiao-biased theories. Review it and judge for yourself. You'll find that my words about Manny ducking Floyd are accurate.

It just looks like these Pactards are making up excuses for one of their favourite fighters, despite the obvious absence of proof (or whatever information is available, actually contradicts their beliefs).

People pretend that Mayweather's had requested non-standard tests, but he was simply requesting Olympic style testing that was commonplace in a whole host of sports.

Surely there has to be a valid reason why it was known as Olympic style testing since it was intended to be random unannounced blood-based testing administered by USADA that adhered to the WADA code. Mayweather Jr. even compromised by allowing a fourteen day cut-off for the testing, but Manny refused, the Filipino wanted far more time.

Floyd being the A-side, believed that Manny was a dirty fighter. And as the A-side, he wanted the Filipino to take the test. He also made his other opponents take the USADA test when they didn’t need to (before VADA became a thing). Team Pacquiao knew about the testing requirements from day one of the negotiations.

If you’re clean, what have you got to hide? I’ve taken blood tests and they don’t affect my athleticism. Pacquiao’s excuses just seem like nonsense to me, especially since blood-based PED testing has now become commonplace. As far as I’m concerned, no other fighter has made the same excuses have they?

And Manny's reluctance to undergo proper testing for most of his bouts, coupled with him refusing to provide his medical records to prove he was a clean athlete during his own defamation lawsuit he filed against Mayweather, as well as walking away from a career-high legacy-defining fight against Floyd in 2010, doesn't look good.

Did you follow the Pacquiao-Ariza-Rios debacle? And what about the VADA-Bradley situation? Or VADA-Thurman? I think there are valid reasons for people to speculate about Pacquiao's reasoning to reject the Mayweather fight in 2010.

Even Freddie Roach blames Pacquiao for the 2010 situation. His explanation concurred with evrything I've written.

Brevity really isn't your strong suit is it?

[Enlightened-One]

From my perspective, not being involved in this argument on boxrec, I think your simple argument is enough but other people are entitled to their views. It's disappointing that you were unable to consider other perspectives and were aggressive in your opinion.

On balance, it does looks like Manny would have fought Mayweather but for the drug testing clause and maybe some power play rationale. I think that's pretty disappointing on Manny's behalf and of course it creates suspicion that he was taking Peds. I'm sure there are other factors that haven't been revealed, but, as I see it, it's not a good look for Manny.

I was aggressive because other people fired shots, by resorting to personal insults. Read my comments in this thread and you'll appreciate this. I reacted rather than attacked.

I'm happy with people having different opinions. It's just that none of their theories are backed up by evidence, whereas I've provided proof that Pacquiao ducked Mayweather in 2010.

I've provided a lot of evidence, videos and interview transcripts. They all undermine these Pacquiao-biased theories. Review it and judge for yourself. You'll find that my words about Manny ducking Floyd are accurate.

It just looks like these Pactards are making up excuses for one of their favourite fighters, despite the obvious absence of proof (or whatever information is available, actually contradicts their beliefs).

People pretend that Mayweather's had requested non-standard tests, but he was simply requesting Olympic style testing that was commonplace in a whole host of sports.

Surely there has to be a valid reason why it was known as Olympic style testing since it was intended to be random unannounced blood-based testing administered by USADA that adhered to the WADA code. Mayweather Jr. even compromised by allowing a fourteen-day cut-off for the testing, but Manny refused, the Filipino wanted far more time.

Floyd being the A-side, believed that Manny was a dirty fighter. And as the A-side, he wanted the Filipino to take the test. He also made his other opponents take the USADA test when they didn’t need to (before VADA became a thing). Team Pacquiao knew about the testing requirements from day one of the negotiations.

If you’re clean, what have you got to hide? I’ve taken blood tests and they don’t affect my athleticism. Pacquiao’s excuses just seem like nonsense to me, especially since blood-based PED testing has now become commonplace. As far as I’m concerned, no other fighter has made the same excuses have they?

And Manny's reluctance to undergo proper testing for most of his bouts, coupled with him refusing to provide his medical records to prove he was a clean athlete during his own defamation lawsuit he filed against Mayweather, as well as walking away from a career-high legacy-defining fight against Floyd in 2010, doesn't look good.

Did you follow the Pacquiao-Ariza-Rios debacle? And what about the VADA-Bradley situation? Or VADA-Thurman? I think there are valid reasons for people to speculate about Pacquiao's reasoning to reject the Mayweather fight in 2010.

Even Freddie Roach blames Pacquiao for the 2010 situation. His explanation concurred with everything I've written.

Brevity really isn't your strong suit is it?

Nearly every single sentence raises its own unique point. And if there are a lot of facts or issues to raise, then this will obviously result in a lot of things being said.

If you don't believe me, check for yourself.

And if you don't like it, ignore my posts.

[Enlightened-One]

All I know is, only some such percentage of the media had Canelo beating Lara.

LOL!!! The Canelo/Lara 'debate' was one for the books.

One who has to use an over abundance of verbiage has little to say.

What's the topic of this thread?

[jamesmcdonnell]

I was aggressive because other people fired shots, by resorting to personal insults. Read my comments in this thread and you'll appreciate this. I reacted rather than attacked.

I'm happy with people having different opinions. It's just that none of their theories are backed up by evidence, whereas I've provided proof that Pacquiao ducked Mayweather in 2010.

I've provided a lot of evidence, videos and interview transcripts. They all undermine these Pacquiao-biased theories. Review it and judge for yourself. You'll find that my words about Manny ducking Floyd are accurate.

It just looks like these Pactards are making up excuses for one of their favourite fighters, despite the obvious absence of proof (or whatever information is available, actually contradicts their beliefs).

People pretend that Mayweather's had requested non-standard tests, but he was simply requesting Olympic style testing that was commonplace in a whole host of sports.

Surely there has to be a valid reason why it was known as Olympic style testing since it was intended to be random unannounced blood-based testing administered by USADA that adhered to the WADA code. Mayweather Jr. even compromised by allowing a fourteen-day cut-off for the testing, but Manny refused, the Filipino wanted far more time.

Floyd being the A-side, believed that Manny was a dirty fighter. And as the A-side, he wanted the Filipino to take the test. He also made his other opponents take the USADA test when they didn’t need to (before VADA became a thing). Team Pacquiao knew about the testing requirements from day one of the negotiations.

If you’re clean, what have you got to hide? I’ve taken blood tests and they don’t affect my athleticism. Pacquiao’s excuses just seem like nonsense to me, especially since blood-based PED testing has now become commonplace. As far as I’m concerned, no other fighter has made the same excuses have they?

And Manny's reluctance to undergo proper testing for most of his bouts, coupled with him refusing to provide his medical records to prove he was a clean athlete during his own defamation lawsuit he filed against Mayweather, as well as walking away from a career-high legacy-defining fight against Floyd in 2010, doesn't look good.

Did you follow the Pacquiao-Ariza-Rios debacle? And what about the VADA-Bradley situation? Or VADA-Thurman? I think there are valid reasons for people to speculate about Pacquiao's reasoning to reject the Mayweather fight in 2010.

Even Freddie Roach blames Pacquiao for the 2010 situation. His explanation concurred with everything I've written.

Brevity really isn't your strong suit is it?

Nearly every single sentence raises its own unique point. And if there are a lot of facts or issues to raise, then this will obviously result in a lot of things being said.

If you don't believe me, check for yourself.

And if you don't like it, ignore my posts.

I usually do, life's far too short.

[Onetimeonly]

Eo is the guy that make meetings extend a hh because they ask questions that were already answered when nobody else asks anything.

[lazboy]

lol. I can’t remember if it was nightmare on elm street or a Simpson parody of it, but if we all band together and ignore him, Krueger/EO loses his power.

[Onetimeonly]

Yeah, the only real Problem I have is when I have a conversation going on in the same thread and have to scroll past his quoted novels.

[The Gratest]

All I know is, only some such percentage of the media had Canelo beating Lara.

LOL!!! The Canelo/Lara 'debate' was one for the books.

One who has to use an over abundance of verbiage has little to say.

What's the topic of this thread?

Floyd Mayweather not being happy about being ranked below Sugar Ray Leonard.
To turn it into a completely biased, aggressive, one-sided, factually incorrect tirade full of conjecture about Manny Pac being a "dirty drug cheat" is quite shameful and shows that you cannot show any impartiality in your views.