Roy Jones Jr v Mike Tyson Sep 12th

[Onetimeonly]

Roy's chin was very bad at the end of his career. I see him getting dropped with a jab.

The end of his career was recent, Mike's was over a decade. Roy ever lose to someone like McBride? Admittedly size and power is an issue, but I think it will be shocking how bad Mike will look.

[Enlightened-One]

I am probably the biggest Roy Jones fan on this site. Lets say I recieved a call from him tomorrow and he would ask me to give him a thousand bucks, I would do so hesitantly since I am a cheap bastard but id do it.

This being said I think that this fight is all wrong for Roy Jones, Mike Tyson isnt out for an exhibition, he is trying to make a mini comeback, next up will be a ranked contender. Mike is going to knock Roy Jones out.

Mike Tyson is 54 years of age.

He was stopped in his last two outings by journeymen more than 15 years ago.

This is only an exhibition for Mike.

[gregregegg]

Nobody ever accused either of these guys of being shrewd businessmen. Going to run this farce up against a canelo fight. Lol

Though canelo was aiming october this year?

[Onetimeonly]

Nobody ever accused either of these guys of being shrewd businessmen. Going to run this farce up against a canelo fight. Lol

Though canelo was aiming october this year?

Nothing concrete but there was an article today targeting that date on ESPN. Probably hopeful for crowds.

[lazboy]

Roy's chin was very bad at the end of his career. I see him getting dropped with a jab.

The end of his career was recent, Mike's was over a decade. Roy ever lose to someone like McBride? Admittedly size and power is an issue, but I think it will be shocking how bad Mike will look.

Mike will look ok for 20 seconds, 30 max. If Roy weathers that 20-30 second storm, which he will, he’ll be fine. I’m predicting quite a boring fight.

[Enlightened-One]

Anyone that saw Mike’s last two pro fights against journeymen like Williams and McBride, as well as his 2006 exhibition bout against Sanders, will surely appreciate the fact that Tyson is utterly shot.

Looking great during a ten second or so video, as well as shifting a bit of excess timber, is utterly meaningless, because they’re not barometers anyone should use to determine whether or not he’s in fighting shape.

Tyson has spent a great deal of time over the last fifteen years yo-yoing in weight and also being a couch potato because he simply didn’t want to train or watch his diet (his words). And there’s nothing wrong with that, due to the fact he was a wealthy middle-aged man.

All we know from watching those social media videos is that Tyson knows how to execute some of the athletic moves he learned when he was 12 years of age. Still, it’s important to note that no one was punching back.

Tyson has always been a “rose”, because they look beautiful to the naked eye, but they’re cosmetic and can wilt under intense heat and pressure.

He’s never been able to overcome “a thorn”, which is less impressive to look at but remains sharp and on point under practically any harsh conditions.

And Mike’s mental fragility isn’t going to change with age, because it’s part of his personality.

Any fighter that punches him back and isn’t scared of him, will always do well… even the glass-jawed Jones Jr. (who’s always kept himself in shape).

I would have favoured the 2003 version of Roy Jones Jr. to dominate the equivalent 2003 iteration of Mike Tyson. And I see no reason at this point in time to change that opinion, though I don’t expect the exhibition to be one-sided since both men will treat it as a light-hearted money grab.

The exhibition between Jones Jr. and Tyson will be an intriguing yet unimpressive, circus-style spectacle that will only serve to satisfy curiosity rather than being a legitimate exciting sporting event between two prime conditioned athletes.

[bigjack]

Anyone that saw Mike’s last two pro fights against journeymen like Williams and McBride, as well as his 2006 exhibition bout against Sanders, will surely appreciate the fact that Tyson is utterly shot.

Looking great during a ten second or so video, as well as shifting a bit of excess timber, is utterly meaningless, because they’re not barometers anyone should use to determine whether or not he’s in fighting shape.

Tyson has spent a great deal of time over the last fifteen years yo-yoing in weight and also being a couch potato because he simply didn’t want to train or watch his diet (his words). And there’s nothing wrong with that, due to the fact he was a wealthy middle-aged man.

All we know from watching those social media videos is that Tyson knows how to execute some of the athletic moves he learned when he was 12 years of age. Still, it’s important to note that no one was punching back.

Tyson has always been a “rose”, because they look beautiful to the naked eye, but they’re cosmetic and can wilt under intense heat and pressure.

He’s never been able to overcome “a thorn”, which is less impressive to look at but remains sharp and on point under practically any harsh conditions.

And Mike’s mental fragility isn’t going to change with age, because it’s part of his personality.

Any fighter that punches him back and isn’t scared of him, will always do well… even the glass-jawed Jones Jr. (who’s always kept himself in shape), will have no problem dealing with the 54-year-old “fearsome” version of Tyson.

The exhibition between Jones Jr. and Tyson will be an intriguing yet unimpressive, circus-style spectacle that will only serve to satisfy curiosity rather than being a legitimate exciting sporting event between two prime conditioned athletes.

Danny Williams was not a journeyman when he fought Tyson.

[Enlightened-One]

Danny Williams was not a journeyman when he fought Tyson.

Danny Williams was merely a British domestic level fighter that had tasted defeat in two of his previous six bouts immediately preceding the Tyson upset.

And let’s face it, he wasn’t even considered the best fighter in England, let alone the UK, when he fought Mike.

He’d already tasted defeat to unheralded fighters, such as Sinan Samil Sam, Julius Francis and Michael Sprott.

And Julius Francis was subsequently stopped inside two rounds by Mike Tyson, only eight months after he’d beaten Danny Williams.

To give my comments even more justification, Danny Williams tasted defeat in 25 of the 48 bouts he participated in after the Tyson upset.

At some point in time during their careers, all journeymen have very few losses on their records. It doesn’t mean they were anything but journeymen calibre fighters when they only had a few defeats on their resume.

[bigjack]

Danny Williams was not a journeyman when he fought Tyson.

Danny Williams was merely a British domestic level fighter that had tasted defeat in two of his previous six bouts immediately preceding the Tyson upset.

And let’s face it, he wasn’t even considered the best fighter in England, let alone the UK, when he fought Mike.

He’d already tasted defeat to unheralded fighters, such as Sinan Samil Sam, Julius Francis and Michael Sprott.

And Julius Francis was subsequently stopped inside two rounds by Mike Tyson, only eight months after he’d beaten Danny Williams.

To give my comments even more justification, Danny Williams tasted defeat in 25 of the 48 bouts he participated in after the Tyson upset.

At some point in time during their careers, all journeymen have very few losses on their records. It doesn’t mean they were anything but journeymen calibre fighters when they only had a few defeats on their resume.

'Merely a british domestic level fighter' how disrespectful that comment is,losing 2 british title and 1 european title fights does not make Williams a journeyman

[Enlightened-One]

Danny Williams was not a journeyman when he fought Tyson.

Danny Williams was merely a British domestic level fighter that had tasted defeat in two of his previous six bouts immediately preceding the Tyson upset.

And let’s face it, he wasn’t even considered the best fighter in England, let alone the UK, when he fought Mike.

He’d already tasted defeat to unheralded fighters, such as Sinan Samil Sam, Julius Francis and Michael Sprott.

And Julius Francis was subsequently stopped inside two rounds by Mike Tyson, only eight months after he’d beaten Danny Williams.

To give my comments even more justification, Danny Williams tasted defeat in 25 of the 48 bouts he participated in after the Tyson upset.

At some point in time during their careers, all journeymen have very few losses on their records. It doesn’t mean they were anything but journeymen calibre fighters when they only had a few defeats on their resume.

'Merely a british domestic level fighter' how disrespectful that comment is,losing 2 british title and 1 european title fights does not make Williams a journeyman

From 2004 until 2009, there wasn’t a single British heavyweight fighter ranked amongst the top-ten world-rated heavyweights.

Stating a fact is not disrespectful. There has occasionally been droughts in regards to genuine world-rated British heavyweight fighters.

And none of the guys Williams lost to were world-rated. In fact, one of them had already been KO'd by Tyson within two one-sided rounds.

[Ruthless-RKO]

They both need the money so why not

They’re not making money.. it’s for numerous charities.

[bigjack]

Danny Williams was merely a British domestic level fighter that had tasted defeat in two of his previous six bouts immediately preceding the Tyson upset.

And let’s face it, he wasn’t even considered the best fighter in England, let alone the UK, when he fought Mike.

He’d already tasted defeat to unheralded fighters, such as Sinan Samil Sam, Julius Francis and Michael Sprott.

And Julius Francis was subsequently stopped inside two rounds by Mike Tyson, only eight months after he’d beaten Danny Williams.

To give my comments even more justification, Danny Williams tasted defeat in 25 of the 48 bouts he participated in after the Tyson upset.

At some point in time during their careers, all journeymen have very few losses on their records. It doesn’t mean they were anything but journeymen calibre fighters when they only had a few defeats on their resume.

'Merely a british domestic level fighter' how disrespectful that comment is,losing 2 british title and 1 european title fights does not make Williams a journeyman

From 2004 until 2009, there wasn’t a single British heavyweight fighter ranked amongst the top-ten world-rated heavyweights.

Stating a fact is not disrespectful. There has occasionally been droughts in regards to genuine world-rated British heavyweight fighters.

Journeymen don't win fights with one arm.We must have a difference of opinion on what a boxing journeyman is,he is now in my eyes,but wasn't when he ko'd Tyson

[Enlightened-One]

Journeymen don't win fights with one arm.We must have a difference of opinion on what a boxing journeyman is,he is now in my eyes,but wasn't when he ko'd Tyson

Danny Williams’ effort against Mark Potter was admittedly admirable, but let’s not pretend he beat someone that was considered a decent fighter.

Beating a fighter whose career highlight was capturing a BBBofC southern area title does not necessarily mean you can’t be considered journeyman calibre.

Even the American commentators referred to Williams as merely being a journeyman calibre fighter when he faced Tyson.

[bigjack]

Journeymen don't win fights with one arm.We must have a difference of opinion on what a boxing journeyman is,he is now in my eyes,but wasn't when he ko'd Tyson

Danny Williams’ effort against Mark Potter was admittedly admirable, but let’s not pretend he beat someone that was considered a decent fighter.

Beating a fighter whose career highlight was capturing a BBBofC southern area title does not necessarily mean you can’t be considered journeyman calibre.

Even the American commentators referred to Williams as merely being a journeyman calibre fighter when he faced Tyson.

Williams fights were shown live on national tv as the headline fight,not something you'd expect to see for a journeyman

[bigjack]

Journeymen don't win fights with one arm.We must have a difference of opinion on what a boxing journeyman is,he is now in my eyes,but wasn't when he ko'd Tyson

Danny Williams’ effort against Mark Potter was admittedly admirable, but let’s not pretend he beat someone that was considered a decent fighter.

Beating a fighter whose career highlight was capturing a BBBofC southern area title does not necessarily mean you can’t be considered journeyman calibre.

Even the American commentators referred to Williams as merely being a journeyman calibre fighter when he faced Tyson.

That's because Americans showed Brtitish heavies very little respect,they thought he was just another british knock over job,proved at that stage he was more than a journeyman,forget the tyson was shot story,williams took some massive shots in that fight,could have easily lay down and took the cash,but showed true journeyman mentality and stood up to the first round hammering.

[Enlightened-One]

Journeymen don't win fights with one arm.We must have a difference of opinion on what a boxing journeyman is,he is now in my eyes,but wasn't when he ko'd Tyson

Danny Williams’ effort against Mark Potter was admittedly admirable, but let’s not pretend he beat someone that was considered a decent fighter.

Beating a fighter whose career highlight was capturing a BBBofC southern area title does not necessarily mean you can’t be considered journeyman calibre.

Even the American commentators referred to Williams as merely being a journeyman calibre fighter when he faced Tyson.

Williams fights were shown live on national tv as the headline fight,not something you'd expect to see for a journeyman

Danny Williams fights were always entertaining. Apart from Tyson, he kept losing against fighters that were above British domestic level. And for the vast majority of his career, he wasn't even the best fighter in England, let alone the UK.

This isn't coming from a person basing their stance purely on hindisght alone.

[bigjack]

Danny Williams’ effort against Mark Potter was admittedly admirable, but let’s not pretend he beat someone that was considered a decent fighter.

Beating a fighter whose career highlight was capturing a BBBofC southern area title does not necessarily mean you can’t be considered journeyman calibre.

Even the American commentators referred to Williams as merely being a journeyman calibre fighter when he faced Tyson.

Williams fights were shown live on national tv as the headline fight,not something you'd expect to see for a journeyman

Danny Williams fights were always entertaining. Apart from Tyson, he kept losing against fighters that were above British domestic level. And for the vast majority of his career, he wasn't even the best fighter in England, let alone the UK.

This isn't coming from a person basing their stance purely on hindisght alone.

He had 1 european title loss prior to the tyson fight,wouldn't describe that as often losing would you ?

[Enlightened-One]

Journeymen don't win fights with one arm.We must have a difference of opinion on what a boxing journeyman is,he is now in my eyes,but wasn't when he ko'd Tyson

Danny Williams’ effort against Mark Potter was admittedly admirable, but let’s not pretend he beat someone that was considered a decent fighter.

Beating a fighter whose career highlight was capturing a BBBofC southern area title does not necessarily mean you can’t be considered journeyman calibre.

Even the American commentators referred to Williams as merely being a journeyman calibre fighter when he faced Tyson.

That's because Americans showed Brtitish heavies very little respect,they thought he was just another british knock over job...

There wasn't a single British fighter ranked amongst the top-ten on the world scene from 2004 until 2009.

British heavyweights weren't any good during that timeframe.

And Danny Williams victory over Tyson was simply a flash in the pan. He never achieved anything of note after scoring that shock upset.

The reason for that is obvious, it was because he was never above British domestic level.

[Enlightened-One]

He had 1 european title loss prior to the tyson fight,wouldn't describe that as often losing would you ?

We're going around in circles, I've already commented on Sinan Samil Sam.

I keep telling you the same things, but you won't read my responses.

And that's the reason why you're asking me questions or making claims about things I've already addressed.

[bigjack]

Danny Williams’ effort against Mark Potter was admittedly admirable, but let’s not pretend he beat someone that was considered a decent fighter.

Beating a fighter whose career highlight was capturing a BBBofC southern area title does not necessarily mean you can’t be considered journeyman calibre.

Even the American commentators referred to Williams as merely being a journeyman calibre fighter when he faced Tyson.

That's because Americans showed Brtitish heavies very little respect,they thought he was just another british knock over job...

There wasn't a single British fighter ranked amongst the top-ten on the world scene from 2004 until 2009.

British heavyweights weren't any good during that timeframe.

And Danny Williams victory over Tyson was simply a flash in the pan. He never achieved anything of note after scoring that shock upset.

The reason for that is obvious, it was because he was never above British domestic level.

clearly you have no clue what you are talking about,lets leave it shall we

[DrDuke]

Tyson is in a worse position. He's older, he's out of the ring for much longer period of time, so he'll be totally rusty. Also, his last performances were worse than Jones' ones. His size advantage isn't that important in this case. Jones chin is worse for sure, but, as it's planned to be an exhibition bout, they both wouldn't try to hurt each other. They won't go for it much out of the respect towards each other. So, nothing really interesting in this bout. If it really happens, of course.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The only confirmed fight on the undercard is between social media influencer and YouTube sensation Jake Paul and former NBA star Nate Robinson.

[Enlightened-One]

There won't be a knockout in this exhibition. This isn't opinion on my part, but it's part of the CSAC licensing rules.

The California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) has confirmed that Tyson and Jones Jr's exhibition is scheduled for eight rounds, with both men wearing 12oz gloves rather than the customary 10oz gloves.

The referee will also have the right to stop the bout as soon as either competitor appears to try to stop their opponents, which is part of the licensing terms.

Simply put, intentional KO's are prohibited, which is understandable considering the total combined age of both men is going to be almost 106 years on the 12th September.

Both men have to undergo strict CSAC medical tests, due to their age, before the exhibition is even allowed to take place.

So if knockouts aren’t allowed, then Jones Jr’s glass jaw shouldn’t be an issue that anyone should even bother to discuss.

[ILikeBeer]

Nobody ever accused either of these guys of being shrewd businessmen. Going to run this farce up against a canelo fight. Lol

Well, what do you expect from Roy? He turned down a huge paycheck to fight Tyson years ago, believe he'd get a higher offer later on.

That worked well.

[Ricky]

Roy's chin was very bad at the end of his career. I see him getting dropped with a jab.

The end of his career was recent, Mike's was over a decade. Roy ever lose to someone like McBride? Admittedly size and power is an issue, but I think it will be shocking how bad Mike will look.

I agree. The recent videos of tyson on the pads are sped up too to hide how brutally slow he is. He's going to look like a pensioner.