Superfoot Wallace versus Thomas Hearns

[goose 5]

they did an exhibition against each other in 1987 at Florida. If they fought for real, who would have won if kicking was allowed but not mandatory for Hearns ?

[margaret thatcher]

Don't know enough about Wallace, but kicks are great at throwing boxers off their game---their sense of distancing is messed up, they are kept off balance more, the traditional boxing stance is more easily punished by low kicks, and consquently are struggling to get in range , to get their work rates going, and to punch as hard

Often when boxers try mma or kickboxing the unfamiliar elements throw them off so much that they actually start to get outboxed or outpunched too. It's not that they are worse boxers, but when you focus more on dealing with kicks you start to get surprised by punches too

[Counter-puncher]

Don't know enough about Wallace, but kicks are great at throwing boxers off their game---their sense of distancing is messed up, they are kept off balance more, the traditional boxing stance is more easily punished by low kicks, and consquently are struggling to get in range , to get their work rates going, and to punch as hard
/quote]

Wallace fought in 'full contact karate' style, no leg kicks, FWIW

[goose 5]

This exhibition only allowed kicking above the waist. I agree that leg kicks are a disaster for a boxer but I was surprised to read that Emanuel Steward stopped a previous sparring session between the 2 because Hearns was having difficulty blocking Wallace's high kicks.

[margaret thatcher]

Don't know enough about Wallace, but kicks are great at throwing boxers off their game---their sense of distancing is messed up, they are kept off balance more, the traditional boxing stance is more easily punished by low kicks, and consquently are struggling to get in range , to get their work rates going, and to punch as hard
/quote]

Wallace fought in 'full contact karate' style, no leg kicks, FWIW

Dude your quote game needs some tweaking

[margaret thatcher]

This exhibition only allowed kicking above the waist. I agree that leg kicks are a disaster for a boxer but I was surprised to read that Emanuel Steward stopped a previous sparring session between the 2 because Hearns was having difficulty blocking Wallace's high kicks.

It's a totally new experience for a boxer, totally different timing and angles, and the full contact guys can throw them really quick

[Counter-puncher]

i think the problem blocking kicks is that the hip gets loaded in a similar fashion to throwing a punch but then the leg comes over later than they 'expected' the punch and obviously at a different angle too

[Steveh583]

There are regular kickers, and then there's wallace. The best to ever do it. Tough guy as well. Trained with him last year and he can still do it in his 70s. Prob the worst thing they did was ask him to keep his kicks low. If you can kick high really well, you are going to be powerful and quick lower down. He was also very elusive fighting out of that sideways half guard

[margaret thatcher]

There are regular kickers, and then there's wallace. The best to ever do it. Tough guy as well. Trained with him last year and he can still do it in his 70s. Prob the worst thing they did was ask him to keep his kicks low. If you can kick high really well, you are going to be powerful and quick lower down. He was also very elusive fighting out of that sideways half guard

how did you get to train with him

[Steveh583]

There are regular kickers, and then there's wallace. The best to ever do it. Tough guy as well. Trained with him last year and he can still do it in his 70s. Prob the worst thing they did was ask him to keep his kicks low. If you can kick high really well, you are going to be powerful and quick lower down. He was also very elusive fighting out of that sideways half guard

how did you get to train with him

I've trained with a whos who basically mate. 33 years of dedication to martial arts.

[margaret thatcher]

[Wee Tommy]

There are regular kickers, and then there's wallace. The best to ever do it. Tough guy as well. Trained with him last year and he can still do it in his 70s. Prob the worst thing they did was ask him to keep his kicks low. If you can kick high really well, you are going to be powerful and quick lower down. He was also very elusive fighting out of that sideways half guard

how did you get to train with him

I've trained with a whos who basically mate. 33 years of dedication to martial arts.

Give us a top 5 please Steve, if that’s possible

[Steveh583]

how did you get to train with him

I've trained with a whos who basically mate. 33 years of dedication to martial arts.

Give us a top 5 please Steve, if that’s possible

Paul vunak was particularly impressive. Lee morrison the most explosive. Iain Abernathy was extremely insightful.

Dan inosanto, Geoff thompson, William chen, Benny urquidez, Mick coup, joe lewis (but not loads with him), MVP (only in a point fighting capacity), herol graham, Rick faye, Mark tucker, Mick coup, gladiator winner Phil Norman, Neil adams, Tom kong watson, mo teague, Kelly mccann, Don the Dragon wilson, Alan gibson (a real gentleman very generous with his time and knowledge), pete consterdine, as mentioned Bill wallace, Dr. yang jwing ming.... There's loads more that I can't recall. A few decent bjj guys where I didn't really want to learn the art but get a feel for certain combative positions, escapes basically.

[goose 5]

Wasn't Muhammad Ali granted some type of black belt-maybe honorary-by George Dillman ?

[Wee Tommy]

I've trained with a whos who basically mate. 33 years of dedication to martial arts.

Give us a top 5 please Steve, if that’s possible

Paul vunak was particularly impressive. Lee morrison the most explosive. Iain Abernathy was extremely insightful.

Dan inosanto, Geoff thompson, William chen, Benny urquidez, Mick coup, joe lewis (but not loads with him), MVP (only in a point fighting capacity), herol graham, Rick faye, Mark tucker, Mick coup, gladiator winner Phil Norman, Neil adams, Tom kong watson, mo teague, Kelly mccann, Don the Dragon wilson, Alan gibson (a real gentleman very generous with his time and knowledge), pete consterdine, as mentioned Bill wallace, Dr. yang jwing ming.... There's loads more that I can't recall. A few decent bjj guys where I didn't really want to learn the art but get a feel for certain combative positions, escapes basically.

Good to hear Morrison is the real deal in his videos I’ve seen his ego seems huge!

Cheers for the info Steve as there’s a good few names there I’ve not even heard of, will have a check out later on

[Steveh583]

Give us a top 5 please Steve, if that’s possible

Paul vunak was particularly impressive. Lee morrison the most explosive. Iain Abernathy was extremely insightful.

Dan inosanto, Geoff thompson, William chen, Benny urquidez, Mick coup, joe lewis (but not loads with him), MVP (only in a point fighting capacity), herol graham, Rick faye, Mark tucker, Mick coup, gladiator winner Phil Norman, Neil adams, Tom kong watson, mo teague, Kelly mccann, Don the Dragon wilson, Alan gibson (a real gentleman very generous with his time and knowledge), pete consterdine, as mentioned Bill wallace, Dr. yang jwing ming.... There's loads more that I can't recall. A few decent bjj guys where I didn't really want to learn the art but get a feel for certain combative positions, escapes basically.

Good to hear Morrison is the real deal in his videos I’ve seen his ego seems huge!

Cheers for the info Steve as there’s a good few names there I’ve not even heard of, will have a check out later on

Gravitating towards a more holistic movement based training nowadays, it takes its toll. Getting tired of feeling like I've been run over.

[AngryGoon38]

I've trained with a whos who basically mate. 33 years of dedication to martial arts.

Give us a top 5 please Steve, if that’s possible

Paul vunak was particularly impressive. Lee morrison the most explosive. Iain Abernathy was extremely insightful.

Dan inosanto, Geoff thompson, William chen, Benny urquidez, Mick coup, joe lewis (but not loads with him), MVP (only in a point fighting capacity), herol graham, Rick faye, Mark tucker, Mick coup, gladiator winner Phil Norman, Neil adams, Tom kong watson, mo teague, Kelly mccann, Don the Dragon wilson, Alan gibson (a real gentleman very generous with his time and knowledge), pete consterdine, as mentioned Bill wallace, Dr. yang jwing ming.... There's loads more that I can't recall. A few decent bjj guys where I didn't really want to learn the art but get a feel for certain combative positions, escapes basically.

Nice List.

Dennis Alexio,Rick Roufas,Randy Tex Cobb,Bad Brad Hefton,Mike Zambitas.

[Steveh583]

Give us a top 5 please Steve, if that’s possible

Paul vunak was particularly impressive. Lee morrison the most explosive. Iain Abernathy was extremely insightful.

Dan inosanto, Geoff thompson, William chen, Benny urquidez, Mick coup, joe lewis (but not loads with him), MVP (only in a point fighting capacity), herol graham, Rick faye, Mark tucker, Mick coup, gladiator winner Phil Norman, Neil adams, Tom kong watson, mo teague, Kelly mccann, Don the Dragon wilson, Alan gibson (a real gentleman very generous with his time and knowledge), pete consterdine, as mentioned Bill wallace, Dr. yang jwing ming.... There's loads more that I can't recall. A few decent bjj guys where I didn't really want to learn the art but get a feel for certain combative positions, escapes basically.

Nice List.

Dennis Alexio

great fighter