Manny Pacquiao vs. Terence Crawford - Who wins?

[gregregegg]

Bouncing from 147-135-160 is foolish, in your 40s it's dangerous.

Its not realy bouncing. He is currently a tiny 147, i think he could easily make 140. i actually suggested not 135 but somewhere between that and 147. and then he isnt actualy going to be 160, he just be what he is now, he can afford to give u some weight to mcgregor to give the illusion that that fight will be compeditive.

So what im actually saying is, loose a tiny bit of weight well, and then gain a tiny bit of weight well. but its only a few pounds of actual weight loss and gain.

It's definitely bouncing.

No its basicaly fighting 1 fight with a weight cut. most boxers fight every fight with a weight cut.

[gregregegg]

Another possibility for Pac's next fight is Mikey Garcia it has been reported.

Yea to be fair, this is a great fight to make. bigger numbers than craw, and much more winnable for manny.

[Onetimeonly]

Its not realy bouncing. He is currently a tiny 147, i think he could easily make 140. i actually suggested not 135 but somewhere between that and 147. and then he isnt actualy going to be 160, he just be what he is now, he can afford to give u some weight to mcgregor to give the illusion that that fight will be compeditive.

So what im actually saying is, loose a tiny bit of weight well, and then gain a tiny bit of weight well. but its only a few pounds of actual weight loss and gain.

It's definitely bouncing.

No its basicaly fighting 1 fight with a weight cut. most boxers fight every fight with a weight cut.

That's astonishing. Your own words. Defend it all you want. Get eo on that bitch, you've got him bouncing like a super ball.

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Arum wants Crawford-Pacquiao But Crawford-Brook is Easier

An offer has been sent to Team-Brook, the fight to take place in November.

“Terence Crawford, we’re trying to put together and fight with Manny Pacquiao, which would be out of the United States,” Arum said today.

“Now, if we’re not able to do that fight and we have to do it in the ‘bubble,’ we are looking at having Terence fight Kell Brook. I talked to the Brook people today, they know what the situation is, and they’ll get back to us.

“They assure me that Brook has lost a lot of weight and is in excellent condition. To do a Crawford-Brook fight is a lot easier (than a Crawford-Pacquiao fight) because it would be a fight that we would be in the ‘bubble’ here in Las Vegas.”

[Enlightened-One]

Arum wants Crawford-Pacquiao But Crawford-Brook is Easier

An offer has been sent to Team-Brook, the fight to take place in November.

“Terence Crawford, we’re trying to put together and fight with Manny Pacquiao, which would be out of the United States,” Arum said today.

“Now, if we’re not able to do that fight and we have to do it in the ‘bubble,’ we are looking at having Terence fight Kell Brook. I talked to the Brook people today, they know what the situation is, and they’ll get back to us.

“They assure me that Brook has lost a lot of weight and is in excellent condition. To do a Crawford-Brook fight is a lot easier (than a Crawford-Pacquiao fight) because it would be a fight that we would be in the ‘bubble’ here in Las Vegas.”

Arum continued: “I don’t know whether it [the Pacquiao fight] is gonna come to fruition or not come to fruition.

“It’s such conjecture at this point, again, I don’t even have a concrete offer. Nothing at all concrete.

So it sounds as though Bob Arum hadn't even contacted Team Pacquiao. He previously conceded this a couple of weeks ago.

There'll surely be another thread created in six months or so, quoting Bob Arum discussing the possibility of Crawford facing Pacquiao.

Bob Arum has been using Manny's name to keep Crawford in the media spotlight for far more than four years and I think we should assume this bout is never going to happen.

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Arum wants Crawford-Pacquiao But Crawford-Brook is Easier

An offer has been sent to Team-Brook, the fight to take place in November.

“Terence Crawford, we’re trying to put together and fight with Manny Pacquiao, which would be out of the United States,” Arum said today.

“Now, if we’re not able to do that fight and we have to do it in the ‘bubble,’ we are looking at having Terence fight Kell Brook. I talked to the Brook people today, they know what the situation is, and they’ll get back to us.

“They assure me that Brook has lost a lot of weight and is in excellent condition. To do a Crawford-Brook fight is a lot easier (than a Crawford-Pacquiao fight) because it would be a fight that we would be in the ‘bubble’ here in Las Vegas.”

Bob Arum has been using Manny's name to keep Crawford in the media spotlight for far more than four years and I think we should assume this bout is never going to happen.

Anyone and everyone in boxing does..

[Enlightened-One]

It’s looking increasingly likely that Terence Crawford will be facing Kell Brook in November.

The Brit isn’t even rated by the WBO and by the time he enters the ring against Crawford, 4½ years would have transpired since Brook’s most recent victory at welterweight.

And the last time Kell defeated a top-ten world-rated opponent would have been 6½ years ago.

The WBO shouldn't sanction this fight.

[Ruthless-RKO]

It’s looking increasingly likely that Terence Crawford will be facing Kell Brook in November.

The Brit isn’t even rated by the WBO and by the time he enters the ring against Crawford, 4½ years would have transpired since Brook’s most recent victory at welterweight.

And the last time Kell defeated a top-ten world-rated opponent would have been 6½ years ago.

The WBO shouldn't sanction this fight.

Unless they have it at catchweight, then won't need to be sanctioned.. But Brook is going to want to fight for the belt and i;m hearing he is in good shape too.

[Enlightened-One]

It’s looking increasingly likely that Terence Crawford will be facing Kell Brook in November.

The Brit isn’t even rated by the WBO and by the time he enters the ring against Crawford, 4½ years would have transpired since Brook’s most recent victory at welterweight.

And the last time Kell defeated a top-ten world-rated opponent would have been 6½ years ago.

The WBO shouldn't sanction this fight.

Unless they have it at catchweight, then won't need to be sanctioned.. But Brook is going to want to fight for the belt and i;m hearing he is in good shape too.

Unless the WBO suddenly decides to rate Brook in their top-fifteen rankings, then a bout between the Brit and Crawford couldn't be sanctioned as a voluntary title defence (since Kell doesn't technically qualify as a voluntary contender). It'll be a non-title fight.

The WBO will probably perform a similar favour for Bob Arum they also did with Kathy Duva, when they deided to grant Igor Mikhalkin and Vyacheslav Shabranskyy top-fifteen rankings in order to allow Sergey Kovalev to capture and make a successful defence of their 175lbs title.

The problem the WBO has though, is that Brook hasn't won a bout at 147lbs for 4½ years and it's been 6½ years since the Brit last defeated any top-ten world-rated opponent. There has to be limits to how flexible their rules are allowed to be.

I can't see Brook lasting six rounds against Crawford, unless the Brit loses all ambition and resorts to survival mode in a desperate attempt to hear the final bell.

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Terence Crawford willing to make Manny Pacquiao fight without Top Rank

Rumblings of trouble between Terence Crawford and Top Rank are no longer a secret matter as a Manny Pacquiao clash draws closer.

Disagreements over money and promotion have raised their head, leading to Crawford openly admitting a move to Al Haymon could happen.

Speaking to Brian Custer before his win over Kell Brook, Crawford straight up answered the question.

“It’s all about business. That’s what it comes down to. As of right now, how long are you at Top Rank? Probably like a few months, a few months, it ain’t that long,” said Crawford.

“So, you are as a businessman putting the pressure on, get me the fights I want maximizing my dollar, and I stay at Top Rank.

“Otherwise, I may look to move on, correct? Correct, it’s always been that way.”

In an update, Crawford has once again been vocal on the podcast circuit. This time with Sirius XM and ‘The Ak and Barak Show.’



‘Bud’ touched on several subjects he ‘didn’t want to discuss,’ but eventually, his thoughts trickled out.

MANNY PACQUIAO

The American admitted he could attempt to negotiate with Manny Pacquiao on his own for a 2021 collision.

He told Sirius XM: “I don’t want to touch the Bob Arum situation. I am one of the most loyal and hurt at what Bob Arum is throwing at me.

“I never had the intention of leaving Top Rank. I’ve no clue where my moving to PBC (Brian Custer asked the question) came from.

“I feel like I can get the Pacquiao fight elsewhere. But I don’t need Top Rank to make that fight.

“I wished that Bob Arum came to me and talked business instead of saying all this nonsense.”

Crawford continued: “When Bob said for me to promote myself, I believe that’s not my job. Bob Arum is a promoter. He should be doing his job as I do mine- which is fighting and winning.

“I never cared about the money. I took pay cuts and trash fights in the past. My goal is to move on up, and even the worst pay was a step forward for me.

“I took pay cuts for the Victor Postol fight. Arum and Top Rank said that they didn’t have what it takes for PPV, and even said that they didn’t have the budget for PPV.”

Pacquiao vs. Crawford could be one of the highlights of 2021 if the Filipino Senator delays his scheduled battle with Conor McGregor.

[Enlightened-One]

“I never had the intention of leaving Top Rank. I’ve no clue where my moving to PBC (Brian Custer asked the question) came from.

It's a rather obvious assumption to make, considering the fact that Errol Spence Jr., Danny Garcia, Manny Pacquiao, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Yordenis Ugas, Sergey Lipinets, Mikey Garcia and Jamal James are all Al Haymon/PBC fighters.

I feel like I can get the Pacquiao fight elsewhere. But I don’t need Top Rank to make that fight.

Matchroom and DAZN could "potentially" afford to tempt the PBC guys to cross the proverbial street, by offering them sizable paydays.

However, Eddie Hearn has already admitted that he might not be able to make the fights Crawford wants. He also said that he probably wouldn't consider signing Bud, due to him not generating the numbers.

If Crawford wants the big fights and not align himself with the PBC, then he may need to realign his purse expectations, because promoters won't touch him with a barge pole if he doesn't earn them money.

Even if Bud became a free agent, he can't expect to face the likes of Spence Jr. and Pacquiao without speaking to the PBC (in a self-promotional capacity).

“I wished that Bob Arum came to me and talked business instead of saying all this nonsense.”

The media reported on the 12th November that Crawford's attorney, Todd Kinney, had sent a letter to Top Rank president Todd duBoef, expressing Bud's displeasure about the lack of “quality opponents” he's facing.

Bob Arum didn't express his criticism of Terence Crawford until after Bud's complaints were made public.

“When Bob said for me to promote myself, I believe that’s not my job. Bob Arum is a promoter. He should be doing his job as I do mine- which is fighting and winning.”

Fighters have a responsibility to promote themselves. They should work with promoters, the networks and the media to build a fan-base and also generate interest in their own bouts.

Crawford, by his own admission, only agrees to interviews with "a select few journalists" (his words). He's on video admitting this point. His conduct only serves to hinder Top Rank's ability to promote him.

And from my perspective, with the same criticism applying to Spence Jr. also, is that Crawford lacks charisma.

“I never cared about the money.”

If he didn't care about money and was primarily concerned about his legacy, then two years ago he should have rejected Top Rank's $3m minimum purse guarantee per bout, to sign with the PBC, but he didn't.

If he didn't care about money and was primarily concerned about his legacy, then he would have admitted his priority to face a near 42 year old man in preference to the best welterweight on the planet, Errol Spence Jr.

If he didn't care about money, he wouldn't have recently claimed he was unwilling to engage in a behind-closed-doors fight if it meant he had to take a pay cut.

If he didn't care about money, he wouldn't have admitted to being adamant about receiving a 60% purse pot split to take the Errol Spence Jr. bout. He said that the fight won't happen "PERIOD" if his purse split demands weren't met (his words).

Pacquiao vs. Crawford could be one of the highlights of 2021 if the Filipino Senator delays his scheduled battle with Conor McGregor.

Pacquiao has one fight remaining of his deal with the PBC. And it’ll very likely (to the point of being almost 100% certain) be against Mikey Garcia.

And I'm assuming Pacquiao won't be facing Mikey Garcia until July 2021 (to ensure it doesn't interfere with his senator duties).

Even if Manny chooses to face McGregor over Garcia, Crawford would still have to wait his turn, because both of those guys are capable of generating more PPV revenue than Bud can.

The Filipino usually competes once per year and Bud usually engages in a couple of fights every year.

So it’s reasonable to assume the Crawford-Pacquiao bout isn’t going to happen until Bud’s contract with Top Rank has expired (October 2021 - assuming both parties don't mutually agree to ignore the terms of the contract and part ways sooner).

[AngryGoon38]

In an ideal world of boxing,the most sensible thing on Crawford's behalf,as well as Boxing Fans,would be to have him go against the winner of Spence-Garcia,and then if he wins,Crawford should just then move up to 154,and go right for the title at that weight,and then 160,and then 168,and then retire as a 6 divisional title-holder. I would have Crawford a 2 or 3 to 1 favorite against Spence,all depending on if and how Spence beats Garcia,and if "The Very Capable" Garcia pulled off the "Minor" Upset win,well then,i'd probably have Crawford as at least a 3-1 favorite against Garcia.

Either which way,i Really Do expect Crawford to win in either case-scenario,and at 154,i would definately have Crawford as a 5-1 favorite,160,about the same,4-1 or 5-1 all depending,but yeah,basically The Strong Favorite to win in those divisions.
Now,at 168,is where things would get genuinely interesting and challenging for Crawford. I would have him favoured a good 2-1 if he took on Saunders for the WBO 168 Belt,while if he decided to go for a Higher Tier Belt and take on Canelo,well then,i think we'd genuinely have a Very-Legit 50-50 type of bout. This may seem a bit radical that i suggest these things,but why not ? It's not like Crawford is likely going to be fighting much more than another 5 bouts. May as well go for broke and gun for being a 6 weight division Champion Legend of Boxing before he rides off into the sunset.

[siablo14]

In an ideal world of boxing,the most sensible thing on Crawford's behalf,as well as Boxing Fans,would be to have him go against the winner of Spence-Garcia,and then if he wins,Crawford should just then move up to 154,and go right for the title at that weight,and then 160,and then 168,and then retire as a 6 divisional title-holder. I would have Crawford a 2 or 3 to 1 favorite against Spence,all depending on if and how Spence beats Garcia,and if "The Very Capable" Garcia pulled off the "Minor" Upset win,well then,i'd probably have Crawford as at least a 3-1 favorite against Garcia.

Either which way,i Really Do expect Crawford to win in either case-scenario,and at 154,i would definately have Crawford as a 5-1 favorite,160,about the same,4-1 or 5-1 all depending,but yeah,basically The Strong Favorite to win in those divisions.
Now,at 168,is where things would get genuinely interesting and challenging for Crawford. I would have him favoured a good 2-1 if he took on Saunders for the WBO 168 Belt,while if he decided to go for a Higher Tier Belt and take on Canelo,well then,i think we'd genuinely have a Very-Legit 50-50 type of bout. This may seem a bit radical that i suggest these things,but why not ? It's not like Crawford is likely going to be fighting much more than another 5 bouts. May as well go for broke and gun for being a 6 weight division Champion Legend of Boxing before he rides off into the sunset.

[margaret thatcher]

Pacs better than kweef thurman, though Craw should pound him anyway

[siablo14]

Pacs better than kweef thurman, though Craw should pound him anyway

Stop dreaming. Crawford won't be fighting anyone decent until he leaves Top Rank.

[margaret thatcher]

im not really dreaming at all bruh, jsut saying crawdaddy would pound the packster

[gilgamesh]

Pacs better than kweef thurman, though Craw should pound him anyway

I think a match between Crawford vs Thurman or Crawford vs Pacquiao would play out basically the same to be honest. Different styles, but I think Crawford wins either way.

By KO for that matter.

Pacquiao might give him a few more fits first, but then again he might not. Crawford is all wrong for him style wise.

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From The Athletic

The Athletic's Mike Coppinger reported that there has been behind-the-scenes tension between the two sides over TR inability to secure a big money, meaningful matchup. Crawford’s attorney claimed that his client was as frustrated now as I have ever seen him. It s apparently not for a lack of trying on Top Rank s part, as they sought a Manny Pacquiao PPV main event in the Middle East, but there was already a reported issue over how much he d be paid.

Pacquiao, one of the sport s marquee attractions, closed his side of the deal at 23.5 million guaranteed. Crawford was offered 6.5 million guaranteed, per sources, along with upside of the pay-per-view at 5 for every buy over 300,000. Talks went dead when he refused the initial offer and countered at 9.5 million with upside at 500,000.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He's pricing himself out.

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I've read comments saying it's not unreasonable..

[DrDuke]

Crawford should leave TR and fight the best of this weight, any of the Pac-Porter-Thurman-Ugas crew, if not Spence. It's horrible to observe all those monotonous negotiations.

[gregregegg]

Crawford refusing a carrer high payday, for a fight he should win comfortably , that would get him an extra belt, massive profile boost, and set him up well for spence undisputed negotiations (might even get near his 50-50) which would be mental cash.... If craw misses this opportunity ill nearly give up on him. Great fighter, but terrible attitude for making fights.

[margaret thatcher]

he should take it, it would help get his name out there a lot , plus it's hardly like 6.5m plus upside is sheet. it would be his biggest win even vs todays pac

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Pacquiao: I Told Crawford's Promoter - I Want $40 Million For The Fight

According to eight division world champion Manny Pacquiao, he's ready to fight anyone with a world title.

Pacquiao, nearly 43-years-old, was recently stripped away of his WBA welterweight title due to inactivity.

The Filipino superstar has been out of the ring since July of 2019, when he won a twelve round split decision over Keith Thurman to capture the WBA title at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

The WBA made Pacquiao the "champion in recess" while elevating Yordenis Ugas to the position of full champion.

And he's not running away from any potential fight.

Pacquiao claims that he spoke with Top Rank's CEO, Bob Arum, about the possibility of fighting World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight Terence Crawford.

However, Pacquiao wants a hefty sum of money for such a fight.

“I like to fight somebody who has a title,” Pacquiao told Daily Tribune .

“We told Bob I get $40 million and Crawford gets $10 million.

“I will fight anybody. You know me, I don’t back away from any challenge. Bring ‘em on!”

Pacquiao says he is also willing to face WBC, IBF welterweight champion Errol Spence. And four division champion Mikey Garcia was another name mentioned as a possible opponent.

The veteran boxer revealed to the paper that he currently weighs "about 152-pounds" - which is only five pounds away from the welterweight limit of 147.

Pacquiao's career is now guided by Paradigm Sports, a management outfit owned and operated by Audie Attar. The company recently issued a notice saying a development is forthcoming.

Pacquiao (67-7-2, 39 KOs) has backed their statements, making reporters aware that something big is in the works.

At the start of the year, Pacquiao was negotiating a cross-sports boxing match with UFC superstar Conor McGregor, who is also represented by Paradigm. That scenario went up in smoke last month, when McGregor was knocked out at UFC 257 in Abu Dhabi.

[caldo2025]

Manny isn’t and hasn’t been a slave to his unblemished record like SO many fighters today who would prefer to stay undefeated than to sign an ultra competitive bout that may jeopardize that 0 in the loss column.

I love this fight for Manny because he literally has NOTHING to lose. No matter what happens, he’s going to be a top 5 all time great in the majority of the honest and worthy historians covering the sport.

But what if he wins? To take down Thurman and Crawford in their primes while being on his last legs means he’s a 1 or 2 fighter in the history of boxing. To take out the arguable #1 P4P right now would be absolutely incredible and unmatched in history. And if he loses and providing he leaves the ring on his own accord escaping any injuries that gradually would heal naturally, he will be lauded for having the nuggets to take on the best when no one else would. That’s the definition of a win-win.