Should Povetkin beat Whyte

[Contendeh]

Where would you rank him on a list of heavyweights who have fought since Lewis retired?

I think Wlad and Vitali come in one and two.

Then 3-5 I think you could argue Povetkin, Fury and AJ in any order.

Yes, I’m aware AJ beat an older Povetkin, but Povetkin’s longevity counts and the quality of opposition who he has lost to counts as well.
Whyte would be a very good win, especially considering Povetkin is over 40.

In my opinion it’d be one of the best post 40 year old heavyweight wins of all time and it would also raise up Joshua somewhat.

Thoughts?

[gilgamesh]

It'd be a solid win, and might up his resume ever so slightly, and get him one more title shot.

As of now I'd figure Povetkin is probably like the 6th best guy or so since Lewis' retirement. Something like that. I don't think beating Whyte moves him up any.

Tyson Fury is already ahead of Vitali to me, and if he beats Wilder again, and Joshua he's ahead of Wlad too.

[margaret thatcher]

Even with a win Fury and AJ are defo still ahead of him, don't see those as too arguable

It's true he's had good longevity, but his longtime top 10 place is based mostly on a lot of wins over 2nd and 3rd rate opposition, which help with current rankings but are limited value when discussing historical rating. He could certainly hold a top 10 spot since Len though.

[gilgamesh]

Even with a win Fury and AJ are defo still ahead of him, don't see those as too arguable

It's true he's had good longevity, but that is based on a lot of wins over 2nd and 3rd rate opposition, which I only give limited value to when discussing historical rating. He could certainly hold a top 10 spot though

Ahead of Povetkin right?

Oh yeah you'd definitely have to have AJ ahead of him.

Wilder too.

[Tevfik1907]

Povetkin had his chance with Wlad to win the championship, he lost that chance. Then he got another chance to win it against AJ, he lost again.

Whyte didn't get his chance to win the championship even yet. England championship against AJ doesn't really count. He shouldn't lose at all, because we know potentially Whyte is a better title contender than Povetkin right now. He already beat serious contenders as well, such as Joseph Parker, Chisora (twice) and Oscar Rivas. Not only against Wilder (now Tyson Fury), he also deserves a fight against AJ.

And in my opinion, while AJ didn't improve and especially lost his invincibility aura (and terribly with a clean TKO, not some with lucky punch) since their last meeting with Whyte, and then AJ avenged his defeat by fighting with different style, and went for points against a weaker Andy Ruiz Jr, and fought against him by being afraid of another TKO. And I think Whyte got better after his fight against AJ. He has even a decent chance to win against AJ right now. Because they both are different fighters now, both physically and mentally.

[gilgamesh]

Povetkin had his chance with Wlad to win the championship, he lost that chance. Then he got another chance to win it against AJ, he lost again.

Whyte didn't get his chance to win the championship even yet. England championship against AJ doesn't really count. He shouldn't lose at all, because we know potentially Whyte is a better title contender than Povetkin right now. He already beat serious contenders as well, such as Joseph Parker, Chisora (twice) and Oscar Rivas. Not only against Wilder (now Tyson Fury), he also deserves a fight against AJ.

And in my opinion, while AJ didn't improve and especially lost his invincibility aura (and terribly with a clean TKO, not some with lucky punch) since their last meeting with Whyte, and then AJ avenged his defeat by fighting with different style, and went for points against a weaker Andy Ruiz Jr, and fought against him by being afraid of another TKO. And I think Whyte got better after his fight against AJ. He has even a decent chance to win against AJ right now. Because they both are different fighters now, both physically and mentally.

I wouldn't mind seeing Whyte vs AJ 2.

I'd rather have seen Whyte vs Wilder for the WBC title. I'm sure Haymon can pay off one of the org's to strip somebody of a belt, and put Wilder in a fight for it.

[Tevfik1907]

Povetkin had his chance with Wlad to win the championship, he lost that chance. Then he got another chance to win it against AJ, he lost again.

Whyte didn't get his chance to win the championship even yet. England championship against AJ doesn't really count. He shouldn't lose at all, because we know potentially Whyte is a better title contender than Povetkin right now. He already beat serious contenders as well, such as Joseph Parker, Chisora (twice) and Oscar Rivas. Not only against Wilder (now Tyson Fury), he also deserves a fight against AJ.

And in my opinion, while AJ didn't improve and especially lost his invincibility aura (and terribly with a clean TKO, not some with lucky punch) since their last meeting with Whyte, and then AJ avenged his defeat by fighting with different style, and went for points against a weaker Andy Ruiz Jr, and fought against him by being afraid of another TKO. And I think Whyte got better after his fight against AJ. He has even a decent chance to win against AJ right now. Because they both are different fighters now, both physically and mentally.

I wouldn't mind seeing Whyte vs AJ 2.

I'd rather have seen Whyte vs Wilder for the WBC title. I'm sure Haymon can pay off one of the org's to strip somebody of a belt, and put Wilder in a fight for it.

Do you think the both fighters are very different right now since their first meeting? Physically and mentally?

[gilgamesh]

Povetkin had his chance with Wlad to win the championship, he lost that chance. Then he got another chance to win it against AJ, he lost again.

Whyte didn't get his chance to win the championship even yet. England championship against AJ doesn't really count. He shouldn't lose at all, because we know potentially Whyte is a better title contender than Povetkin right now. He already beat serious contenders as well, such as Joseph Parker, Chisora (twice) and Oscar Rivas. Not only against Wilder (now Tyson Fury), he also deserves a fight against AJ.

And in my opinion, while AJ didn't improve and especially lost his invincibility aura (and terribly with a clean TKO, not some with lucky punch) since their last meeting with Whyte, and then AJ avenged his defeat by fighting with different style, and went for points against a weaker Andy Ruiz Jr, and fought against him by being afraid of another TKO. And I think Whyte got better after his fight against AJ. He has even a decent chance to win against AJ right now. Because they both are different fighters now, both physically and mentally.

I wouldn't mind seeing Whyte vs AJ 2.

I'd rather have seen Whyte vs Wilder for the WBC title. I'm sure Haymon can pay off one of the org's to strip somebody of a belt, and put Wilder in a fight for it.

Do you think the both fighters are very different right now since their first meeting? Physically and mentally?

Physically probably not much. Mentally I'm sure they've both improved, having both fought at a higher level more consistently since their initial bout.

I wouldn't favor Whyte to beat AJ still.

[gregregegg]

Who is Povetkins best win? Takem? Hughie fury? That Russian guy Lucus brown knocked out?

POV is one of the best modern heavyweights. But it’s laughable how weak your resume can be to be in that conversation.

[margaret thatcher]

You don't know Chag bruh? He beat huggy Johnny and took the 0 of the great sugar Niko Valuev

[gilgamesh]

Who is Povetkins best win? Takem? Hughie fury? That Russian guy Lucus brown knocked out?

POV is one of the best modern heavyweights. But it’s laughable how weak your resume can be to be in that conversation.

By the end of the century he'll barely be remembered.

If Boxing is even still a thing that is.

[margaret thatcher]

Who is Povetkins best win? Takem? Hughie fury? That Russian guy Lucus brown knocked out?

POV is one of the best modern heavyweights. But it’s laughable how weak your resume can be to be in that conversation.

Eddie Chambers is up there for Pov too . If he beat Whyte I guess it would be something like


Whyte
Chag
Chambers
Takam
Perez, Hughie, faded Birdy, Hammer, etc
Price, Charr, Wach, Duhaupas (I'd normally put Duhaup higher if not for the circumstances of that fight)

[DrDuke]

Povetkin is a one of the best boxers since Lewis for sure. His resume is very good. I'd say, he deserves to be #6 after Fury, Klitschkos, Joshua and Wilder. However, his resume is even arguably better than Vitali's and Wilder's ones.

Whyte will be another good scalp, if Povetkin manages to get it. Actually, prime vs prime and with fair judging I'd go with Povetkin confidently. But Povetkin is old, he has shown some signs of decline recently and he's obviously not getting fresher. Whyte had a so-so performance against Wach, but that seemed just as bad preparation. Whyte can regain a shape of his winning streak prior to Wach and in this shape he will be a thrteat to ageing Povetkin.

Anyway, it'll be a close fight, where judges will be on the Whyte's side. I'm a longtime Povetkin fan and I'll root for him, but I think, Whyte would edge a decision, probably an arguabl one.

[keirw]

It'd be a solid win, and might up his resume ever so slightly, and get him one more title shot.

As of now I'd figure Povetkin is probably like the 6th best guy or so since Lewis' retirement. Something like that. I don't think beating Whyte moves him up any.

Tyson Fury is already ahead of Vitali to me, and if he beats Wilder again, and Joshua he's ahead of Wlad too.

If Fury beats Wilder again and then AJ how far is he from matching Lewis himself?

I appreciate it is a far less celebrated era completely cleaning out entire era (any era) isn't to be sniffed at.

[Enlightened-One]

Where would you rank him on a list of heavyweights who have fought since Lewis retired?

I think Wlad and Vitali come in one and two.

Then 3-5 I think you could argue Povetkin, Fury and AJ in any order.

Yes, I’m aware AJ beat an older Povetkin, but Povetkin’s longevity counts and the quality of opposition who he has lost to counts as well.
Whyte would be a very good win, especially considering Povetkin is over 40.

In my opinion it’d be one of the best post 40 year old heavyweight wins of all time and it would also raise up Joshua somewhat.

Thoughts?

He's definitely already classed amongst the top seven rated heavyweights since Lennox Lewis' retirement.

These are the guys I currently rate above Povetkin (in the context of accomplishment), since Lennox retired:

• Wladimir Klitschko
• Vitali Klitschko
• Tyson Fury
• Anthony Joshua
• Deontay Wilder
• Chris Byrd

I guess Chris Byrd’s name raises a red flag and would be deemed as being a controversial choice.

For the record, I feel that Povetkin at his prime would have beaten Byrd, but the American technically achieved far more. So it doesn’t really matter to me if people disagree and rate these guys differently.

Obviously Povetkin defeated a past-his-prime version of Byrd, but I excluded that from consideration (same with the Russian's own loss during the Joshua bout).

The same thought process applies with Wilder and Joshua too. The prime iteration of Povetkin might have been capable of beating those guys, but he hasn't achieved enough throughout his career to deserve to be rated above them.

In my mind though, a Povetkin victory over Whyte wouldn’t compel me to revise my top-five rankings. He hasn't surpassed the feats of the Klitschko's, Fury, Joshua and Wilder.

[DrDuke]

These are the guys I currently rate above Povetkin (in the context of accomplishment), since Lennox retired:

• Wladimir Klitschko
• Vitali Klitschko
• Tyson Fury
• Anthony Joshua
• Deontay Wilder
• Chris Byrd

I guess Chris Byrd’s name raises a red flag and would be deemed as being a controversial choice.

For the record, I feel that Povetkin at his prime would have beaten Byrd, but the American technically achieved far more. So it doesn’t really matter to me if people disagree and rate these guys differently.

Obviously Povetkin defeated a past-his-prime version of Byrd, but I excluded that from consideration (same with the Russian's own loss during the Joshua bout).

Yeah, Byrd is a controversial choice. Even not because of the fact of Povetkin beating Byrd and being likely to do the same vs prime Byrd. Byrd has wins over Vitali and Holyfield, which on paper are bigger than any Povetkin's wins, but those victories don't carry any big value for obvious reasons. Byrd also was a World champ, but it's unfair to judge only by that. Ruiz and Parker also were champions, but Povetkin has a better resume than all of them.

[Enlightened-One]

These are the guys I currently rate above Povetkin (in the context of accomplishment), since Lennox retired:

• Wladimir Klitschko
• Vitali Klitschko
• Tyson Fury
• Anthony Joshua
• Deontay Wilder
• Chris Byrd

I guess Chris Byrd’s name raises a red flag and would be deemed as being a controversial choice.

For the record, I feel that Povetkin at his prime would have beaten Byrd, but the American technically achieved far more. So it doesn’t really matter to me if people disagree and rate these guys differently.

Obviously Povetkin defeated a past-his-prime version of Byrd, but I excluded that from consideration (same with the Russian's own loss during the Joshua bout).

Yeah, Byrd is a controversial choice. Even not because of the fact of Povetkin beating Byrd and being likely to do the same vs prime Byrd. Byrd has wins over Vitali and Holyfield, which on paper are bigger than any Povetkin's wins, but those victories don't carry any big value for obvious reasons. Byrd also was a World champ, but it's unfair to judge only by that. Ruiz and Parker also were champions, but Povetkin has a better resume than all of them.

To be fair to Chris Byrd, his average weight for the entire duration of his career was only 209½ lbs. And when he failed to win a bout, he was usually outweighed by a significant margin.

If we’re considering the “regular” version of the WBA title, then seven of his fights were against former/current world champions, with four of those contests against Hall-of-Famers.

He was also a two-time world heavyweight champion and had also engaged in eight world title bouts (capturing the titles by beating Vitali Klitschko & Evander Holyfield).

Chris typically weighed 212lbs in his world title fights and was facing men that usually outweighed him by 25lbs to 30lbs. And you'll struggle to find many champions that had to overcome that sort of deficit.

And let’s not forget that Chris Byrd amassed an amateur record of 290-25, winning three US national titles and was also an Olympic silver medallist at MIDDLEWEIGHT.

Byrd was also considered a top-ten world rated heavyweight from 1998 and in 2005, The RING regarded him as being the top dog of the division (as per their April 2006 edition).

Like I said before, the prime version of Povetkin beats the prime iteration of Byrd. But the American technically achieved far more. We shouldn’t underestimate what Chris achieved in the sport.

That being said, I think it’s a tad silly to mention Ruiz and Parker’s names in the same breath as Byrd’s (for very obvious reasons).

[DrDuke]

To be fair to Chris Byrd, his average weight for the entire duration of his career was only 209½ lbs. And when he failed to win a bout, he was usually outweighed by a significant margin.

If we’re considering the “regular” version of the WBA title, then seven of his fights were against former/current world champions, with four of those contests against Hall-of-Famers.

He was also a two-time world heavyweight champion and had also engaged in eight world title bouts (capturing the titles by beating Vitali Klitschko & Evander Holyfield).

Chris typically weighed 212lbs in his world title fights and was facing men that usually outweighed him by 25lbs to 30lbs. And you'll struggle to find many champions that had to overcome that sort of deficit.

And let’s not forget that Chris Byrd amassed an amateur record of 290-25, winning three US national titles and was also an Olympic silver medallist at MIDDLEWEIGHT.

Byrd was also considered a top-ten world rated heavyweight from 1998 and in 2005, The RING regarded him as being the top dog of the heavyweight division (as per their April 2006 edition).

Like I said before, the prime version of Povetkin beats the prime iteration of Byrd. But the American technically achieved far more. We shouldn’t underestimate what Chris achieved in the sport.

That being said, I think it’s a tad silly to mention Ruiz and Parker’s names in the same breath as Byrd’s (for very obvious reasons).

All that stuff is true, but still WBO wasn't considered a major belt back in the 90s. "Regular" championship is also a paper belt. I consider Byrd as a champion, when Byrd won the IBF belt. But that was against shot Holyfield. Then he controversially defended it three times in a row. Ruiz' win over Joshua was much more valuable and convincing than any of Byrd's title wins. And technically them both alongside with Parker held an actual World championship in contrast to Povetkin, who was likely to deal with all three in his prime.

[gilgamesh]

It'd be a solid win, and might up his resume ever so slightly, and get him one more title shot.

As of now I'd figure Povetkin is probably like the 6th best guy or so since Lewis' retirement. Something like that. I don't think beating Whyte moves him up any.

Tyson Fury is already ahead of Vitali to me, and if he beats Wilder again, and Joshua he's ahead of Wlad too.

If Fury beats Wilder again and then AJ how far is he from matching Lewis himself?

I appreciate it is a far less celebrated era completely cleaning out entire era (any era) isn't to be sniffed at.

If he beats Joshua, and Wilder again, and then manages a few more wins over Top 10 guys before he hangs 'em up. Yeah he'd probably be right there in the conversation with Lewis.

Especially if he never takes an L. Which I find pretty unlikely if he keeps at it for very long.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Povetkin has some good wins. He also was dominated by wlad and koed by joshua and "won" closely against huck. His best winbis Chagaev

Wlad, Vitali, Joshua, Fury, Wilder are top. Next are guys like

John Ruiz
Chagaev
Povetkin
Byrd
Haye
Sam Peter


Povetkin is better than most these guys

[gilgamesh]

Povetkin has some good wins. He also was dominated by wlad and koed by joshua and "won" closely against huck. His best winbis Chagaev

Wlad, Vitali, Joshua, Fury, Wilder are top. Next are guys like

John Ruiz
Chagaev
Povetkin
Byrd
Haye
Sam Peter


Povetkin is better than most these guys

For what it's worth I thought Huck beat him.

[snake33]

It'd be a solid win, and might up his resume ever so slightly, and get him one more title shot.

As of now I'd figure Povetkin is probably like the 6th best guy or so since Lewis' retirement. Something like that. I don't think beating Whyte moves him up any.

Tyson Fury is already ahead of Vitali to me, and if he beats Wilder again, and Joshua he's ahead of Wlad too.

Tyson Fury beat Wlad. How could he not be ahead of Wlad ?
I know you'll say it was late in his career but what if Wlad fought Fury right after Sanders or around that time.
It would have gone about the same or worse.

[oogiebe]

It'd be a solid win, and might up his resume ever so slightly, and get him one more title shot.

As of now I'd figure Povetkin is probably like the 6th best guy or so since Lewis' retirement. Something like that. I don't think beating Whyte moves him up any.

Tyson Fury is already ahead of Vitali to me, and if he beats Wilder again, and Joshua he's ahead of Wlad too.

Tyson Fury beat Wlad. How could he not be ahead of Wlad ?
I know you'll say it was late in his career but what if Wlad fought Fury right after Sanders or around that time.
It would have gone about the same or worse.

Vs Fury, Wlad was past it.
VS Sanders, he was 'before' it.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

If Fury beats wilder again and Joshua Id consider him top since lewis.

I

[gilgamesh]

It'd be a solid win, and might up his resume ever so slightly, and get him one more title shot.

As of now I'd figure Povetkin is probably like the 6th best guy or so since Lewis' retirement. Something like that. I don't think beating Whyte moves him up any.

Tyson Fury is already ahead of Vitali to me, and if he beats Wilder again, and Joshua he's ahead of Wlad too.

Tyson Fury beat Wlad. How could he not be ahead of Wlad ?
I know you'll say it was late in his career but what if Wlad fought Fury right after Sanders or around that time.
It would have gone about the same or worse.

I can't give Fury much credit for that because it wasn't a fight. They just stared at each other for 12 rounds. Fury moved his arms a little more than Wlad did. Therefore he won.

The aggressive Wlad from 2002 might've made it interesting. The super tactical Wlad who was used to using his size advantage was just reduced to a gawking dumbass.