TRAINER EGO?

[JamieM]

Having been reading the fall back on Twitter about mark tibbs and dillian whyte splits it's becoming more evident to people publically about trainer ego. The biggest one coming to mind and all over Twitter is calling for a trainers union is Adam Booth. How is it possible to have a trainer union when there is not even a boxers union, the miscarriages of justice the fighters go threw such as injuries, late call offs, pulled off shows for lack of sales and loads of other ridiculous things meaning no financial compensation. I seen adam booth putting things such as "we do all the hard work" and " we should get a bigger slice of the pie than the promotors" these guys are now gonna try and cut above the fighter cause one thing guaranteed in that is the fighter percentage will decrease further as managers and promoters will not reduce their business. It really does gripe on me, once the fighters reach a certain level like e everything their is a ceiling in a relationship, nothing more you can teach, I have witnessed on numerous occasions boxers out growing coaches , isnt nasty it's just how it is so why should these guys try and contractually force and bully these guys to put their short career on hold. Its something I am really against and have seen several of UK trainers such as Billy Nelson also on board. Thoughts??

[margaret thatcher]

I mean, if there isn't a boxer's union, that's not the trainers' fault. Doesnt mean that there still wouldnt be some purpose for having a trainer's union.

Though of course, in any profession you can find people with plenty of ego

[JamieM]

Not at all but there doing the easiest job of the 4. It's a mutual partnership where a fighter will progress a trainer as much as a trainer will progress a fighter. The amount of good boxers who dont make it because they lack in management and promotion far outweighs the amount of boxers who make it with good managing and promotion. The boxers cant be brought down anymore its them putting the hard work in. The trainers need to stop stealing the limelight and just do their job.

[Coco]

In reality for the time and effort pro trainers put in and their lack of pay, it can only really be described as a hobby.
As with most jobs, boxers inc, if you do full time work you want full time pay with a bit of stability and security.
I don't think I know a trainer with a contract.

[JamieM]

They run gyms usually, do a bit of PT. I just dont get the need to be centre stage. The amateur trainers seem to be looked down on by the pro trainers which is insane. I could name so many instances of pro trainers and ego, here is one danny Vaughan. When he split with both tyrones felt the need to go on an IFL interview and tell everyone how he made the decision to not train them? Seriously. Also heard he told peter Mcdonagh hes to old to box when he stopped training him.

[Wee Tommy]

A great number of them are arrogant tits who failed at being boxers and are quite bitter. They want fame and fortune through boxing but couldn’t do it in the ring.

Some of the amateur trainers are salt of the earth heart of gold types who do actually give everything they can to their fighters for nothing.

[Counter-puncher]

Some of the amateur trainers are salt of the earth heart of gold types who do actually give everything they can to their fighters for nothing.

I'd imagine that describes either a very large minority or a majority of ama trainers

[Ruthless-RKO]

Half the trainers don;t really add anything to their boxers arsenal. They just literally wipe sweat of them and feed them water in the corner and talk a little.

[Steveh583]

Can't help but feel this thread will end up doing a huge disservice to the many loyal, hard working, knowledgeable trainers out there. Guys that regularly put their fighters ahead of their own family. People will use the outlandish behaviours of Gallagher and booth as an example of all trainers.

The problem being, is that every boxing fan in the world thinks they could cut it as a coach..... Because they 'know' boxing.

[Wee Tommy]

Half the trainers don;t really add anything to their boxers arsenal. They just literally wipe sweat of them and feed them water in the corner and talk a little.

Really? What about during camp?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Half the trainers don;t really add anything to their boxers arsenal. They just literally wipe sweat of them and feed them water in the corner and talk a little.

Really? What about during camp?

Who knows what goes on..

Many trainers will change something, but it's not the trainers, it's the boxers.. Most of them just know how to throw punches, no technique. You can't teach it to everyone...

I love Crolla as a fighter, he deserved everything he achieved IMO, but all he did for 12 rounds was continously throw punches. He's just one of many..

[Wee Tommy]

Half the trainers don;t really add anything to their boxers arsenal. They just literally wipe sweat of them and feed them water in the corner and talk a little.

Really? What about during camp?

Who knows what goes on..

Many trainers will change something, but it's not the trainers, it's the boxers.. Most of them just know how to throw punches, no technique. You can't teach it to everyone...

I love Crolla as a fighter, he deserved everything he achieved IMO, but all he did for 12 rounds was continously throw punches. He's just one of many..

Seems like your generalising that since Gallagher is shite so are the rest?

I’ve boxed and I know lots of fighters amateur and pro both in boxing and MMA. Trainers are a huge part of their life and success. Especially early doors.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Seems like your generalising that since Gallagher is shite so are the rest?

I think Gallagher is good coach.. He definitely had a top game plan for Jonas against Harper, and seemed Jonas listened to him.

[Spud]

I feel sorry for the trainers who invest their time & effort into fighters ... only to be dumped when the fighter starts earning big money.

I have a similar opinion concerning some promoters.

Its out of order how fighters get their heads turned by unscrupulous individuals who like a £ note.

[Wee Tommy]

Seems like your generalising that since Gallagher is shite so are the rest?

I think Gallagher is good coach.. He definitely had a top game plan for Jonas against Harper, and seemed Jonas listened to him.

In that case I’ve got no idea what your on about now.

[banjo]

I feel sorry for the trainers who invest their time & effort into fighters ... only to be dumped when the fighter starts earning big money.

I have a similar opinion concerning some promoters.

Its out of order how fighters get their heads turned by unscrupulous individuals who like a £ note.

Trainers and promoters have much longer careers than fighters though and I don't think I've ever heard of a fighter who is richer than a promoter. Trainers and promoters may well be investing a lot of time and money in the fighters but ultimately it's the fighter who's getting punched in the face for a living and is most likely going to be retired from the sport by the age of 40 so if he can make more money elsewhere or thinks he's got a better chance of success with another trainer then more power to him.

[Onetimeonly]

I feel sorry for the trainers who invest their time & effort into fighters ... only to be dumped when the fighter starts earning big money.

I have a similar opinion concerning some promoters.

Its out of order how fighters get their heads turned by unscrupulous individuals who like a £ note.

Trainers and promoters have much longer careers than fighters though and I don't think I've ever heard of a fighter who is richer than a promoter. Trainers and promoters may well be investing a lot of time and money in the fighters but ultimately it's the fighter who's getting punched in the face for a living and is most likely going to be retired from the sport by the age of 40 so if he can make more money elsewhere or thinks he's got a better chance of success with another trainer then more power to him.

Most promoters are scratching and clawing.

As for the op, nobody can approach Atlas. Changing trainers as a seasoned pro is just a change and can provide some motivation. A lot of it is probably the needed mentality of a fighter to maintain an attitude of invincibility and, also, when they get big with trainers from the jump their cut gets pricey.

[JamieM]

I have so many things that annoy me about trainers. Look at Josh Taylor. Shane McGuigan is going insane and trying to sue him, all for what leaving him? But it's ok for Josh to accept and contract and leave his amateur trainer who has essentially helped mould Josh. Terry McCormack although does not seem to mind was disrespected in the fact Josh Pritchard was second in that corner. Josh demanded Terry in corner because he knows what he brings. Its swing and roundabouts but boxing is about the fighters

[Alba]

trainers are usually doing their job amongst tough conditions, aye some will have an ego? But you get fighter's, promotors with egos to, dont understand why it would be different for Trainers. Some of the best people I've met have been Trainers

[Bleak]

They run gyms usually, do a bit of PT. I just dont get the need to be centre stage. The amateur trainers seem to be looked down on by the pro trainers which is insane. I could name so many instances of pro trainers and ego, here is one danny Vaughan. When he split with both tyrones felt the need to go on an IFL interview and tell everyone how he made the decision to not train them? Seriously. Also heard he told peter Mcdonagh hes to old to box when he stopped training him.

Hasn't Danny Vaughan cut his stable down to 3 fighters? I knew Derry Matthews was his main man for a good while

[THEBUTCH]

I have no clue of the real reason why Whyte and Mark Tibbs partd ways, but they seemed to work so well together and Dillian undoubtedly improved when he hooked up with Tibbs.

[Grilling Machine]

The problem being, is that every boxing fan in the world thinks they could cut it as a coach..... Because they 'know' boxing.

Kinship's the most important thing, else any insight you might have is wasted. The way Dubois listened to Bruno really impressed me, because while Frank's career wasn't the greatest and he isn't a noted trainer, their relationship allowed his knowledge to get across.

A lack of ego on both sides is necessary, and quite rare.

[coghaugen11]

The fighters career ends in 10 years and is one man. You can be earning from 10 fighters at a time for 50 years as a trainer. Fighters are the pugs off the street taking the blows - they can't be paid enough. The pen-pushing blaggers (promoters) don't even deserve 10%.

[margaret thatcher]

Tons of trainers bust their arses with little to show for it. And we often only see them when they are on tv with fighters, but they put in lots of time in the gym we don't see. Obviously there are some egomaniacs, but on the whole I give trainers plenty of respect. I've had a good few who were not only good influences for boxing, but life in general, as corny as that may sound lol

[mickey1975]

A lot of very, very good pros train in their amateur gyms and move to the pro trainers for the last fortnight.
Amateur coaches are generally very good.