Once again, who's paying for this fight?lvlarc_uk wrote:What you mean apart from a good proportion of the 90+million population of Philippines? Pacquiao is a national hero there, he will have millions tuning in, more than US will pull in thats for sure. Not to mention millions from around the world.Mattyp151 wrote:HBO didn't even do Lacy/Calzaghe, it was Showtime. But, if you were the one putting up the money, wouldn't you want the viewing public to be able to see it?lvlarc_uk wrote:Hey you know what there like, want everything delivered on a plate.
Shit they (HBO) are even making Pacquiao fight at 11:00am in his home town of Manila just to suit their time zone!! They did same with Calzaghe-Lacy, but didn't mind staying up all night to catch that.
How many people in Manila are going to watch that fight compared to other markets in the US.
WHICH FOES WOULD BE BEST TO LOCK UP HOF SPOT FOR CALZAGHE?
Goodson I think...no, you said it was HBO paying for the fight, correct? If it is HBO, then why would they want to displace their main viewing audience in the US to make them watch on Asian times? The US is HBO's market, and since they're paying for the fight (assuming so), wouldn't you want the people who pay you to see the fight, actually be able to see the fight conveniently?lvlarc_uk wrote:Thanks for ignoring my postDo you know whos paying for the fight?
No sorry it's not HBO, thought they did Cal-Lacy though. True it was Showtime.
Pac-Larios is not a HBO event though, I thought they were just broadcasting it as an In Demand PPV? I still don't understand why he's fighting at 11am. Bit disrespectful to the Philippino fans, and ofcourse Pacquiao I think, the PPV is going global too.
Pac-Larios is not a HBO event though, I thought they were just broadcasting it as an In Demand PPV? I still don't understand why he's fighting at 11am. Bit disrespectful to the Philippino fans, and ofcourse Pacquiao I think, the PPV is going global too.
maybe pacman has other concerns than just his filipino fans...maybe he realizes they will watch/attend regardless of time & he highly regards the usa market enuf to maximize convenience & therefore get the highest # of PPV sales in usa!!lvlarc_uk wrote:No sorry it's not HBO, thought they did Cal-Lacy though. True it was Showtime.
Pac-Larios is not a HBO event though, I thought they were just broadcasting it as an In Demand PPV? I still don't understand why he's fighting at 11am. Bit disrespectful to the Philippino fans, and ofcourse Pacquiao I think, the PPV is going global too.
boxing is all about the $$$$$$$$$ and ricky has enuf business sense to accommodate maximum number of viewers!! do you hold that against him?!?Max Molyneux wrote:HBO made Hatton fight at 4am!lvlarc_uk wrote:Hey you know what there like, want everything delivered on a plate.
Shit they (HBO) are even making Pacquiao fight at 11:00am in his home town of Manila just to suit their time zone!! They did same with Calzaghe-Lacy, but didn't mind staying up all night to catch that.
To be fair, it was in their land.
If it's in our land then they should watch to our timezone as they just get it earlier.
yiddo 14 is a very shallow, lightweight fan who is an embarrassment to boxing in general...dont judge too many american fans by the extremely low standard he sets!!viciousmaussa wrote:Notice how America - in general - are so interested in the truly international s/m division that they just about drop everything, including giving Kessler a showcase. Their plans went out the window the minute Lacy got whipped.Max Molyneux wrote:smeg America, there contradicting bastards when some say or the experts think a non yank needs to go there. The Opp matters more than where you go.yiddo14 wrote:Joe will convince himself that Peter Manfredo jnr is the key to immortality......
Caqlzaghe is a MASSIVE waste of talent.
Why he did'nt go to America and try to claim a REAL belt years ago I don't know.
He would be retired by now,counting his millions,with his legacy and HOF place guarenteed.
Instead,he is planning a 'homecoming' fight in Cardiif.(was'nt his last fight in Manchester???hardly the other side of the world is it?)
Look for such great names as Green,Manfredo jnr or even Veit(again)to cement his legacy as Britains greatest fighter(HA HA HA HA HA)
He's already made millions though.
He has another injury and then most you guys start claiming the bullshit again that he's going to duck again like in the past.
Least Warren wasn't trying to get a joke name before he pulled out so they are showing they want the names.
Whats a real belt?
If all ppl like Yiddo can talk about is America then he needs to grow up - cos Brewer and Mitchell had no fan base, Lacy was supposed to build one but where can he draw except for Florida? At least JC doesn't fight before 1/2 empty arenas. So it all boils down to he should've fought Lacy, Brewer, Mitchell in America? Why, when they were desperate to come to the UK? Most stupid thing I've heard all day, and it's only 5:45 am! Hmm, maybe he should've fought fellow long reigner OTTKE in America. LMAO
2 interesting comments MM...first off, not many folks are aware that mayweather's comments about "slave contract" was made in the context of comparison to naseem hamed's exorbitant $48 million contract for 6 bouts with HBO (an average of actually more than $6 million/fight---more than even delahoya was making at the time)...i believe naz' inability to live up to this overhyped payscale hurt the cause of not only future british fighters but non-american fighters in general!!Max Molyneux wrote: By going to America, he'd have a slave contract like Mayweather said.
Monzon cemented most of his Legacy fighting in Europe not America so I'd hardly call them a powerbase and they seem to be losing it as most are coming to europe for bigger pay.
as for monzon, he was an aberration, even for the 1970s, in terms of going against the grain by fighting outside boxing's traditional epicenter...the usa has essentially been the financial & therefore de facto epicenter of the fight game for about a century or so & the recent appearance of brewster & byrd in germany could be more than just a blip on the richter scale (to continue the earthquake analogy)...it could be a trend---only time will tell...
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He made more in pounds fighting for Warren.shoutout2u wrote:boxing is all about the $$$$$$$$$ and ricky has enuf business sense to accommodate maximum number of viewers!! do you hold that against him?!?Max Molyneux wrote:HBO made Hatton fight at 4am!lvlarc_uk wrote:Hey you know what there like, want everything delivered on a plate.
Shit they (HBO) are even making Pacquiao fight at 11:00am in his home town of Manila just to suit their time zone!! They did same with Calzaghe-Lacy, but didn't mind staying up all night to catch that.
To be fair, it was in their land.
If it's in our land then they should watch to our timezone as they just get it earlier.
i'm not talking what ricky made comparatively between warren & current promoter...i'm saying that he probably got a better contract from showtime by agreeing to fight on american time than he would have fighting on british time...or, it is quite possible that, as the challenger, hatton had little to say about the start time---it may have been kostya tzsyu's decision & better deal from showtime to have an american-based starting time!!Max Molyneux wrote:He made more in pounds fighting for Warren.shoutout2u wrote:boxing is all about the $$$$$$$$$ and ricky has enuf business sense to accommodate maximum number of viewers!! do you hold that against him?!?Max Molyneux wrote: HBO made Hatton fight at 4am!
To be fair, it was in their land.
If it's in our land then they should watch to our timezone as they just get it earlier.
I think it's only recently that boxing really picked up in America. Not so long ago the likes of de la hoya and mosley and jones could get away with ducking hopkins, wright and even tarver. America are doing well obviously with important fights being made consistently on Showtime & HBO, from, let's say, featherweight up to cruiser (ignore the heavies). When guys like Barrera, Morales and Pac get together it can be extraordinary. Didn't always used to be that good in recent years. (Right now there is the problem again of the supposed p4p #1, Mayweather, not really testing himself)
But from welterweight to light heavy, there are a lot of world class Europeans who either get overlooked for not fighting in the states, or stuck on the shelf after a big win. Below feather, a lot of excellent fighters like Lorenzo Parra - who should be on every pound for pound list - and Veeraphol Sahaprom, Hozumi Hasegawa, it's like ppl pretend they don't even exist. That's sad, as Parra's been beating everyone in their backyards.
But from welterweight to light heavy, there are a lot of world class Europeans who either get overlooked for not fighting in the states, or stuck on the shelf after a big win. Below feather, a lot of excellent fighters like Lorenzo Parra - who should be on every pound for pound list - and Veeraphol Sahaprom, Hozumi Hasegawa, it's like ppl pretend they don't even exist. That's sad, as Parra's been beating everyone in their backyards.
parra is definitely an overlooked fighter...would love to see him unify with arce---great undercard bout for hbo, showtime or PPV!!viciousmaussa wrote:I think it's only recently that boxing really picked up in America. Not so long ago the likes of de la hoya and mosley and jones could get away with ducking hopkins, wright and even tarver. America are doing well obviously with important fights being made consistently on Showtime & HBO, from, let's say, featherweight up to cruiser (ignore the heavies). When guys like Barrera, Morales and Pac get together it can be extraordinary. Didn't always used to be that good in recent years. (Right now there is the problem again of the supposed p4p #1, Mayweather, not really testing himself)
But from welterweight to light heavy, there are a lot of world class Europeans who either get overlooked for not fighting in the states, or stuck on the shelf after a big win. Below feather, a lot of excellent fighters like Lorenzo Parra - who should be on every pound for pound list - and Veeraphol Sahaprom, Hozumi Hasegawa, it's like ppl pretend they don't even exist. That's sad, as Parra's been beating everyone in their backyards.
as to your first point...every era (or decade) has its up & down periods...the 1970s & 90s had some great HW trilogies & one-time megafights!! the 1980s had phenomenal round-robin matchups in 147-160---hagler-hearns-leonard-duran-benitez!!!
Parra is brilliant. IMO he schooled Eric Morel in Puerto Rico. He was supposed to be unifying with WBO champ Omar Narvaez. Narvaez looks a fitting replacement at flyweight for Arce. Good pressure fighter and seems to have some talent. Hope it comes off. Sad that Darchinyan is being showcased over the others, - the guy is extremely limited. Katz put it best by calling him "artless".shoutout2u wrote:parra is definitely an overlooked fighter...would love to see him unify with arce---great undercard bout for hbo, showtime or PPV!!viciousmaussa wrote:I think it's only recently that boxing really picked up in America. Not so long ago the likes of de la hoya and mosley and jones could get away with ducking hopkins, wright and even tarver. America are doing well obviously with important fights being made consistently on Showtime & HBO, from, let's say, featherweight up to cruiser (ignore the heavies). When guys like Barrera, Morales and Pac get together it can be extraordinary. Didn't always used to be that good in recent years. (Right now there is the problem again of the supposed p4p #1, Mayweather, not really testing himself)
But from welterweight to light heavy, there are a lot of world class Europeans who either get overlooked for not fighting in the states, or stuck on the shelf after a big win. Below feather, a lot of excellent fighters like Lorenzo Parra - who should be on every pound for pound list - and Veeraphol Sahaprom, Hozumi Hasegawa, it's like ppl pretend they don't even exist. That's sad, as Parra's been beating everyone in their backyards.
yeah I was talking about boxing picking up from the late '90s/early '00s - a time when i was getting pissed off with it. Definitely, when all the international fighters find common ground - ie in America - the big fights happen & really show us who's who. Barrera, Morales, Pac, Marquez, etc.shoutout2u wrote:parra is definitely an overlooked fighter...would love to see him unify with arce---great undercard bout for hbo, showtime or PPV!!viciousmaussa wrote:I think it's only recently that boxing really picked up in America. Not so long ago the likes of de la hoya and mosley and jones could get away with ducking hopkins, wright and even tarver. America are doing well obviously with important fights being made consistently on Showtime & HBO, from, let's say, featherweight up to cruiser (ignore the heavies). When guys like Barrera, Morales and Pac get together it can be extraordinary. Didn't always used to be that good in recent years. (Right now there is the problem again of the supposed p4p #1, Mayweather, not really testing himself)
But from welterweight to light heavy, there are a lot of world class Europeans who either get overlooked for not fighting in the states, or stuck on the shelf after a big win. Below feather, a lot of excellent fighters like Lorenzo Parra - who should be on every pound for pound list - and Veeraphol Sahaprom, Hozumi Hasegawa, it's like ppl pretend they don't even exist. That's sad, as Parra's been beating everyone in their backyards.
as to your first point...every era (or decade) has its up & down periods...the 1970s & 90s had some great HW trilogies & one-time megafights!! the 1980s had phenomenal round-robin matchups in 147-160---hagler-hearns-leonard-duran-benitez!!!
But I think the sooner boxing gets known as a truly international 'entity', the better. I find it hard to write off a guy's title reign just cos he fought out of Germany. Was it the WBC who are thinking of doing a 'world cup', where every four years at least there's a unification? Maybe they won't need to, if things go as they are in classes like super middle. Karmazin really impressed me on his conference call. He was asked if being in America improve dhis skills, and he said he'd already learned the vital stuff from Russian coaches, amateurs, conditioners & was pleased with his style, but that being at the Wild Card gym, he gets to sample styles and approaches of fighters from different countries, to polish his game.
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Nice insight...some non-Americans learn from the wider variety of quality trainers, some learn from the wider variety of competition (including sparring) and most improve their financial standing by fighting in the U.S. All these things contribute to making it the heart of the fight game and while Germany in particular seems to becoming a minor "mecca" for the sport, I think we're also seeing a wider range of countries represented among those who campaign in the U.S. than there used to be and that is good for the sport. Used to be mainly Mexico, but now you have an increasing number of U.S.-based Colombians, Africans, ex-Soviets, etc.viciousmaussa wrote:yeah I was talking about boxing picking up from the late '90s/early '00s - a time when i was getting pissed off with it. Definitely, when all the international fighters find common ground - ie in America - the big fights happen & really show us who's who. Barrera, Morales, Pac, Marquez, etc.shoutout2u wrote:parra is definitely an overlooked fighter...would love to see him unify with arce---great undercard bout for hbo, showtime or PPV!!viciousmaussa wrote:I think it's only recently that boxing really picked up in America. Not so long ago the likes of de la hoya and mosley and jones could get away with ducking hopkins, wright and even tarver. America are doing well obviously with important fights being made consistently on Showtime & HBO, from, let's say, featherweight up to cruiser (ignore the heavies). When guys like Barrera, Morales and Pac get together it can be extraordinary. Didn't always used to be that good in recent years. (Right now there is the problem again of the supposed p4p #1, Mayweather, not really testing himself)
But from welterweight to light heavy, there are a lot of world class Europeans who either get overlooked for not fighting in the states, or stuck on the shelf after a big win. Below feather, a lot of excellent fighters like Lorenzo Parra - who should be on every pound for pound list - and Veeraphol Sahaprom, Hozumi Hasegawa, it's like ppl pretend they don't even exist. That's sad, as Parra's been beating everyone in their backyards.
as to your first point...every era (or decade) has its up & down periods...the 1970s & 90s had some great HW trilogies & one-time megafights!! the 1980s had phenomenal round-robin matchups in 147-160---hagler-hearns-leonard-duran-benitez!!!
But I think the sooner boxing gets known as a truly international 'entity', the better. I find it hard to write off a guy's title reign just cos he fought out of Germany. Was it the WBC who are thinking of doing a 'world cup', where every four years at least there's a unification? Maybe they won't need to, if things go as they are in classes like super middle. Karmazin really impressed me on his conference call. He was asked if being in America improve dhis skills, and he said he'd already learned the vital stuff from Russian coaches, amateurs, conditioners & was pleased with his style, but that being at the Wild Card gym, he gets to sample styles and approaches of fighters from different countries, to polish his game.