So Canelo is gonna fight Yildirim for the vacant wbc smw title? wtf?! lol

[margaret thatcher]

I have seen pretty much all those dudes criticized for their opposition

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

This fight deserves to be roasted. It is awful. Every awful fight deserves to be ripped. If your argument is "but Ggg" then you admit its a garbage fight and you are just as bad as those other fans

[margaret thatcher]

Lol , as you can tell, 'but GGG....' plays a big role in our boi's posting game

[Enlightened-One]

People are overreacting about Canelo facing Avni Yildirim.

Did people even bother to watch the Dirrell bout?

Yildrim is definitely better than some of the opponents other marquee names, such as Crawford, Golovkin, Kovalev, Luis Ortiz, Beterbiev, Ajagba etc., have faced during stay busy bouts, but they somehow escaped criticism.

Does anyone sincerely believe I’m wrong about this?

Phrases like “fake outrage” and “double standards” springs to mind.

You are such a hypocrite

Why?

[margaret thatcher]

I mocked Ortiz's opposition earlier today actually lol

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Its a garbage fight. Youd complain if anyone other than canelo was taking this fight. You style yourself mr logic so be consistent

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I mocked Ortiz's opposition earlier today actually lol

His opponent's suck
So do Crawfords
GGG feasted on garbage for years
Rocky fielding and yildrim suck as opponents

[ldlamb]

When you only are gonna fight at most twice a year...there should be no stay busy fights.

I was fine with that in the 80s when some guys fought 4 times a year.... but not now.

That’s a good opinion to hold, as long as it’s consistent in nature.

Be honest though, have you ever given a free pass to any of your favourite fighters for engaging in a stay busy bout against an anonymous unheralded foe?

I know it is Evidently not realistic anymore to expect fighters to only have big fights..so the comment was at least partially in jest....but I’ve got no leverage to change things....the only thing I cAn do to feel better is to complain...so I will complain when a top fighter wastes one of his rare appearances on mediocrity.

And yes, I do complain when a fighter I like does the same (in fact I like Canelo)...but I’ll still cheer for them When the fight actually happens.

[Enlightened-One]

I mocked Ortiz's opposition earlier today actually lol

You previously defended GGG's record for only ever having defeated eight legitimate top-ten (The RING and ESPN) ranked fighters during 21 world middleweight title bouts, with only four of them rated in the top five.

Has Canelo faced an opponent within the last three years that wasn't considered a legitimate top-ten world rated fighter by The RING and ESPN?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pleased about Canelo facing Yildrim (if this actually does come to fruition), It isn't a good fight.

It's just that I feel that we all should refrain from applying a different set of moral rules to fighters, depending on whether we like or dislike them.

Because the application of double-standards inevitably results in people criticising one fighter, but not another, whenever they are both "guilty" of committing the same proverbial "crime".

[jas80s]

I could honestly care less if Canelo fights this guy because I am sure I won't bother to watch it.

It's the people that take time to tune in and watch a fight like this that enables the behavior.

We all know this of course, but let's put the blame where it belongs. This fight should draw about 5 viewers, but if people watch, it's hard to blame the powers that be for making these kinds of fights.

And I certainly don't blame a fighter for showing up, doing some easy work, and making some money.

[margaret thatcher]

I mocked Ortiz's opposition earlier today actually lol

You previously defended GGG's record for only ever having defeated eight legitimate top-ten (The RING and ESPN) ranked fighters during 21 world middleweight title bouts, with only four of them rated in the top five.

Has Canelo faced an opponent within the last three years that wasn't considered a legitimate top-ten world rated fighter by The RING and ESPN?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pleased about Canelo facing Yildrim (if this actually does come to fruition), It isn't a good fight.

It's just that I feel that we all should refrain from applying a different set of moral rules to fighters, depending on whether we like or dislike them.

Because the application of double-standards inevitably results in people criticising one fighter, but not another, whenever they are both "guilty" of committing the same proverbial "crime".

Lol we already went through that in another thread where you said I'd been giving GGG passes. I can post you tons of stuff of me criticizing GGG (like hype job resume, can crusher, starting a thread challenging the idea his record is much better than Wilder's. etc) and I got called a GGG hater here several times. Do you just register someone as a GGG warrior if they make 1 single post about him that isnt inflamatory or something lol. It's true a lot of people wont criticize him no matter what, but not me brushter

ya for sure Canelo has faced way way better opposition, the dude has an excellent resume and recently I posted about. Though Avni would be a crappy opponent no doubt, that's fair game to mention, he's weak sauce no matter what our boi GGG (with his comparatively weak as f@ck ass record) or Luis Ortiz (with his old Daniel Martz loving arse) or whatever did

[Enlightened-One]

Do you just register someone as a GGG warrior if they make 1 single post about him that isnt inflamatory or something lol. It's true a lot of people wont criticize him no matter what, but not me brushter

Do you feel my description of our discussion of you defending GGG's record for only ever having defeated eight legitimate top-ten (The RING and ESPN) ranked fighters during 21 world middleweight title bouts is inaccurate?

I do appreciate the fact that you've often criticised GGG, but we definitely had this discussion.

Anyway, it’s not really about whether I like or dislike GGG, instead, I’m trying to convey my belief that we should all apply our opinions and standards in a consistent manner.

Canelo hasn’t faced an opponent within the last three years that wasn't considered a legitimate top-ten world rated fighter by The RING and ESPN, but he’s somehow ridiculed for his name being mentioned in the same breath as Yildrim's, whereas other fighters receive free passes for committing the same proverbial “crime”.

Admittedly, you're nowhere near as bad as others for applying double-standards.

[margaret thatcher]

8 out of 21, yep, not that bad for proportion in terms of fighting ranked top 10'ers, but if you actually look at the dudes and the state of the division, and who ggg's actually beat, for sure his achievements don't match the reputation. And I've said that over and over, and started threads on it, and been called a hater, etc so this dude hasnt escapred crticitism with me or getting special privleges, same goes for Ortz (mocked him yesterday), Crawford (someone said I must have something 'personal' with him due to crticisim of his record), etc

Pretty much all those fighters you listed to get crticism too bruh. And this would be a weak ass fight, let's be honest, so it's fair game really too.

Admittedly, you're nowhere near as bad as others for applying double-standards.

no sh!t bruh , I 've said many many times how excellent Canelo's resume is and also how it's not too big of a deal in the scheeme of things if he does have some weaker opponents, so really I'm not double standarding him on this issue at all and don't know why that's even part of the discussion? still would be a weak ass fight vs Avni though

[Enlightened-One]

You've made my point for me...

8 out of 21, yep, not that bad for proportion in terms of fighting ranked top 10'ers... [for GGG]

Canelo hasn’t faced an opponent within the last three years that wasn't considered a legitimate top-ten world rated fighter by The RING and ESPN...

no sh!t bruh , I 've said many many times how excellent Canelo's resume is and also how it's not too big of a deal in the scheeme of things if he does have some weaker opponents...

And like I said before, Yildrim isn't a good opponent for Canelo, but I'm not going to criticise him for taking this fight, because it's a one-off.

Others will do though.

[margaret thatcher]

I make no double standards about these dudes bruh, but if I somehow made your point about double standards, I'm glad to help

It's an utterly sh!t matchup, hugely mismatched with an undeserving opponent, but 1. ya other fighters do it too, and 2. nelo has fought great opposition overall , so 3. thus im not too bothered really in the overall scheme, i'm sure he'll fight a top opponent soon after if he does fight yildrim next

[Enlightened-One]

Canelo is not even rated by the WBC at 168.
Yet is fighting for their vacant title.
That should be the story. He is the money guy and gets preferred treatment.

GGG wasn't even rated by the WBC (as he held world titles for other governing bodies), but yet he was sanctioned as a qualified title contender for Marco Antonio Rubio's interim belt... and even became Miguel Cotto's mandatory challenger.

Sulamain eventually elevated Golovkin to becoming the WBC world middleweight champion outside of the ring without Gennadiy even having to fight for the right to own it.

Sergey Kovalev wasn't rated by the WBC, because he held the WBA super, IBF and WBO light heavyweight titles, but the WBC still made him the mandatory challenger to Adonis Stevenson's world title.

So there are historical precedents. Kovalev and Golovkin weren't criticised for the WBC's conduct back then (in fact the WBC's decisions were even endorsed), so Canelo shouldn't be criticised either.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Hes only fighting once this year. There is ko need for a tuneup since literally everyone is idle.

Boxing is so damn stupid. This pandemic was a MAJOR opportunity. Limited competition from major sports, easier logistics than other sports, and instead of seizing it they gave us showcase squash matches not even this freaking forum is watching.

[Thomastearns]

Hes only fighting once this year. There is ko need for a tuneup since literally everyone is idle.

Boxing is so damn stupid. This pandemic was a MAJOR opportunity. Limited competition from major sports, easier logistics than other sports, and instead of seizing it they gave us showcase squash matches not even this freaking forum is watching.

We know the idea is to stop a cartel from establishing an unfair monopoly but sometimes it feels as if the lunatics have taken over.

It's just so damn splintered currently, with far too many differing fingers in the same pie. Is anyone in charge? Or even responsible for the overall health of the sport? Or is it the wild west with everyone out for themselves, anyhow, anyway?

I can understand your frustration, but some of us have seen this before.

Anyway, it will bounce back - it always does.

There's just something wonderfully appealing in a primal way about 2 fighters squaring off.

The rules of boxing keep it civilized just enough to maintain widespread appeal throughout different times and different cultures. Even Sweden and Norway no longer ban it.

We just need to avoid getting ripped off. Good fights will help too and we'll get one soon enough with Loma and Lopez.

The Tyson - Jones Jr exhibition will also bring interest too.

Then there's Inoue, GGG, Joshua, the Wilder/Fury 3 and loads more coming through hopefully.

Lockdown could even be a changing of the guards moment, and then who knows?

Pretty soon we might have forgotten all this waiting around.

[Enlightened-One]

Immediately after making a successful defence of his WBC super lightweight belt against Hector Camacho, Julio Cesar Chavez fought a guy named Bruce Pearson in a non-title bout. He’d only won ten of his 21 fights.

Five months after scoring a controversial stoppage over Meldrick Taylor, in yet another WBC super lightweight title bout, Julio Cesar Chavez defeated Russell Mosley, who’d only ever won four of his eight contests.

Despite being the WBC super lightweight champion, Julio Cesar Chavez faced Roberto Collins, an opponent that had only won two of his seventeen fights.

Sometimes great champions face poor opposition. As long as it’s a rarity rather than the norm, then none of us have any right to be overly outraged, since no one is going to force us to tune in and watch bouts we're not interested in seeing.

And to those that complain about Yildrim fighting for a world title, he’s been the mandatory challenger for the 168lbs WBC strap since the 19th October 2019, which was long before Canelo’s name entered the frame.

[squiggy]

Yeah, Chavez also fought a hundred and fifteen pro fights.

[Enlightened-One]

Yeah, Chavez also fought a hundred and fifteen pro fights.

And how does your comment relate to my belief that most great champions have faced poor opposition at some point during their career? I'll give you a clue, it doesn’t!

I’ll provide more examples:

• Gennady Golovkin successfully defended both his WBA & IBO world titles against Nobuhiro Ishida, who was a former light middleweight that had failed to win ten of his bouts and entered the ring against GGG having tasted defeat in his previous two outings.

• GGG also successfully defended both his WBA world title and captured the IBO strap against Lajuan Simon, an opponent that tasted defeat in three of his previous five bouts at the time he fought Golovkin… and had even lost his immediately preceding bout.

I can keep citing examples, with very little effort, if you feel I'm wrong about this.

[Fightnight Scores]

Canelo tries to seize on an opportunity to win another title against poor opposition. Why does this shock people?
He's had his fair share of tough fights the last few years, and even though boxers only fighting once, maybe twice a year shouldn't get to have "easy, stay busy fights", the fact is they simply do, as frustrating as it is.

The fact that the WBC chooses their rankings as they do (and any other alphbet org for that matter) is the reason why this has panned out as it has and everyone is outraged.

IF they had sensible rankings, then they would have a decent guy in at number 1 and not someone mediocre. Their number two ranked super middleweight is an Uzbek boxer with 13 fights.....

Anger is being expressed in the wrong direction and Canelo has somehow become akin to Trump, Brexit or Left wing-right wing politics of recent year splitting fight fans either totally for, or totally against him with no inbetween.

[Enlightened-One]

Canelo tries to seize on an opportunity to win another title against poor opposition. Why does this shock people?
He's had his fair share of tough fights the last few years, and even though boxers only fighting once, maybe twice a year shouldn't get to have "easy, stay busy fights", the fact is they simply do, as frustrating as it is.

The fact that the WBC chooses their rankings as they do (and any other alphbet org for that matter) is the reason why this has panned out as it has and everyone is outraged.

IF they had sensible rankings, then they would have a decent guy in at number 1 and not someone mediocre. Their number two ranked super middleweight is an Uzbek boxer with 13 fights.....

Anger is being expressed in the wrong direction and Canelo has somehow become akin to Trump, Brexit or Left wing-right wing politics of recent year splitting fight fans either totally for, or totally against him with no inbetween.

Well said.

[margaret thatcher]

Reading this thread there isnt actually much personal criticism of Canelo tbh, you seem more bothered by anyone mate

[margaret thatcher]

Canelo tries to seize on an opportunity to win another title against poor opposition. Why does this shock people?
He's had his fair share of tough fights the last few years, and even though boxers only fighting once, maybe twice a year shouldn't get to have "easy, stay busy fights", the fact is they simply do, as frustrating as it is.

The fact that the WBC chooses their rankings as they do (and any other alphbet org for that matter) is the reason why this has panned out as it has and everyone is outraged.

IF they had sensible rankings, then they would have a decent guy in at number 1 and not someone mediocre. Their number two ranked super middleweight is an Uzbek boxer with 13 fights.....

Anger is being expressed in the wrong direction and Canelo has somehow become akin to Trump, Brexit or Left wing-right wing politics of recent year splitting fight fans either totally for, or totally against him with no inbetween.

I don't think it shocks people at all and I don't really see all that much personal criticism of Canelo in this thread at least. Like , are there at most maybe a couple dudes, if that, doing some diss on him? Wow, he must be in tears over that!\

Granted dude gets lots of unfair criticism for sure in general. It comes with being the king A-side in the sport