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[Nile4000]

Tim Witherspoon vs Greg Page

1)Witherspoon
2)Witherspoon
3)Page
4)Page
5)Witherspoon
6)Page
7)Witherspoon
8)Page
9)Page
10)Even
11)Witherspoon
12)Witherspoon

115-114 Witherspoon

Tim won this fight by being more aggressive and coming in shape. Greg had his moments, but was not aggressive and didn't really catch Tim with any great shots. Tim caught Greg with several telling shots, though he didn't really hurt Greg. Decent, underrated fight.

[Woldemar]

Tim Witherspoon vs Greg Page

1)Witherspoon
2)Witherspoon
3)Page
4)Page
5)Witherspoon
6)Page
7)Witherspoon
8)Page
9)Page
10)Even
11)Witherspoon
12)Witherspoon

115-114 Witherspoon

Tim won this fight by being more aggressive and coming in shape. Greg had his moments, but was not aggressive and didn't really catch Tim with any great shots. Tim caught Greg with several telling shots, though he didn't really hurt Greg. Decent, underrated fight.

Yeah,good fight.Second bout was not interesting .

[scartissue]

Eddie Mustafa Muhammad vs Michael Spinks

1.Eddie 10-9
2.Eddie 10-9
3.Eddie 10-9
4. Spinks 10-9
5. Eddie 10-9
6.Eddie 10-9
7.Eddie 10-9
8.Spinks 10-9
9.Spinks 10-9
10.Spinks 10-9
11.Eddie 10-9
12. Spinks 10-8 (scores a KD)
13.Spinks 10-9
14.Spinks 10-9
15. Spinks 10-9

Winner : Michael Spinks 143-141

Official scorecards : Spinks by UD (146-138,144-140,145-139)

Michael Spinks v Eddie Mustafa Muhammad

Woldemar, I missed this one back in the day and I remember a buddy of mine saying he felt Eddie had won. I took it with a grain of salt, but I always needed to see it myself, so here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Eddie
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Eddie
Round 4: 10-9 Spinks
Round 5: 10-9 Eddie
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Eddie
Round 8: 10-9 Spinks
Round 9: 10-9 Spinks
Round 10: 10-9 Spinks
Round 11: 10-9 Eddie
Round 12: 10-8 Spinks (scores a knockdown)
Round 13: 10-9 Spinks
Round 14: 10-9 Spinks
Round 15: 10-9 Spinks

Total: 145-141 Spinks (actual scores: 146-138, 144-140 and 145-139 all for Spinks)

It would have been very interesting to see what Eddie could do with better preparation. Man, I recall the weight he put on with his venture into the heavyweight division which was disastrous. Anyway, we all know of Spinks as an all-time great light heavy, but it would have been nice to see a livelier in-shape opponent with him. Still, a good win for Spinks and he did his due diligence by coming in ready. Woldemar, except for rounds 2 and 6, which I scored even and you gave to Eddie, we were exact!

[scartissue]

This one was total war - Arturo Gatti v Wilson Rodriguez

Round 1: 10-9 Rodriguez
Round 2: 10-8 Rodriguez (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Gatti
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 9-8 Gatti (point deduction from Gatti for a low blow and then he drops Rodriguez)
Round 6: Gatti scores a KO

Total (through 5 completed rounds): 47-46 Rodriguez (actual scores: 2 scores of 48-45 for Rodriguez and 1 score of 47-46 for Gatti)

Talking about this fight doesn't do it justice. Check it out when you get a chance.

[Seamus]

I still remember what I scored M Spinks v E Mustafa Muhammad live. I had 9-5-1 for Spinks with a 10-8 rd, so 145-140. If I remember right, EMM was in control thru 6 but then it was all Spinks.

[scartissue]

Marlon Starling v Mark Breland II

I remember when Breland was an amateur and when he went pro they were rolling out the red carpet for him with - what I felt at the time was - preferential treatment. Anyways, I recall great satisfaction when Starling stopped him in their first go-round and saying to myself, "Welcome to the pros." When I heard they drew in the rematch I thought again they're giving Mark every benefit of the doubt. So now I finally get around to watching it and have restructured my opinion on this fight anyway.

Round 1: 10-9 Starling
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Breland
Round 4: 10-9 Starling
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Breland
Round 7: 10-9 Starling
Round 8: 10-9 Breland
Round 9: 10-9 Breland
Round 10: 10-9 Starling
Round 11: 10-9 Breland
Round 12: 10-9 Starling

Total: 115-115 Draw (actual scores: 116-113 Starling, 115-114 Breland and 114-114 for a Draw decision)

First of all, please don't waste your time with this fight. There were only flashes of substance and a whole lot of grappling. Secondly, I had no problem with the draw. No one really shone or took over in this fight. Early it looked like Starling could have taken out Breland whenever he wanted and maybe that was the worst that could happen because he allowed Breland to peck away at him and get into the fight. Starling, a brilliant counter-puncher, laid back and once he gave Breland some space it was jabs and combos from Mark, which put Starling in the uncomfortable role of aggressor to get inside. Again, a forgetful fight and the decision was just, because no one won it, least of all, the fans.

[DrDuke]

Muhammad Ali vs Jimmy Young

1: Young 5-4
2: Young 5-4
3: Young 5-4
4: Ali 5-4
5: Ali 5-4
6: Ali 5-4
7: Ali 5-4
8: Young 5-4
9: Young 5-4
10: Young 5-4
11: Young 5-4
12: Ali 5-3 (Young counted for escaping through the ropes)
13: 5-5
14: Young 5-4
15: Young 5-4

Total: Young 69-66

[scartissue]

Watched a terrific little 10 rounder between two undefeated hotshots in their day. Oba Carr v Pedro Sanchez. I always liked an Oba Carr fight. It was always plenty of action at a high skill level. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Carr (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Carr
Round 3: 10-8 Sanchez (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Carr
Round 5: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 6: 10-9 Carr
Round 7: 10-9 Carr
Round 8: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 9: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 10: 10-9 Carr

Total: 95-94 Carr (actual scores: 95-95 Even and 2 scores of 96-93 and 97-91 both for Carr for a majority win)

First of all let me talk about that first round. Automatically I follow suit with the referee. If he scores a knockdown the judge is obliged to. However, in this instance, it appeared to be up to the judges if they agree or disagree. I recall a rule in the amateurs the same way. So in this instance, I disagreed calling Sanchez down in the first. I didn't think it was a knockdown, but some might. But I thought Carr took the round anyway for a 10-9. The rest of the fight was fought very well and I do recommend this, fought at a terrific pace.

[scartissue]

Checked out another Oba Carr fight. His title challenge against Oscar DeLaHoya, which I didn't score when I first saw it. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-8 Oscar (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Carr
Round 3: 10-9 Carr
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Oscar
Round 6: 10-9 Carr
Round 7: 10-7 Oscar (1 point deducted harshly for an unintentional headbutt and 1 point deducted for a low blow - again, a bit harsh)
Round 8: 10-9 Oscar
Round 9: 10-9 Carr
Round 10: 10-9 Oscar
Round 11: Oscar drops Carr and it is stopped before it could resume

Total (through 10 completed rounds): 96-92 Oscar (actual scores: 96-91, 95-92 and 97-90 all for Oscar)

Damn good fight. Carr was one of those hard-luck fighters that had all the tools but kept coming against ring stars that prevented him from gaining the crown. I always thought Hector Thompson was the ultimate hard-luck, having to meet Duran and Cervantes in his title bids. But Carr went up against Trinidad, Quartey and DeLaHoya in his bids. Not a soft one in the bunch.

[scartissue]

Every so often I like digging out an old Gilette fight from their archives. I recently watched the Joey Giambra 10 rounder against Yama Bahama. The fight started out immediately with a clinch and I thought this didn't bode well. The first 5 rounds were rife with clinches but they did eventually get into some good exchanges. Rounds 8, 9 & 10 were the best for action. However, Giambra just couldn't get past that speedy jab of Yama's. Even when Yama fell into a clinch with Joey, he at least jabbed his way into the clinch. Joey's jab was harder but slower and there were times when Yama would rip loose with sharp combos. Late in the fight Joey turned it on but Yama's speedy jabs and combos took it. No need to run a card here. Official scores were 6-3-1 (twice) and 5-4-1 all for Bahama. I was not so gracious to Joey. I scored the 4th even and only gave Joey the 10th for an 8-1-1 for Bahama. I feel the officials were very generous to Joey, but at least the deserving fighter got it.

[DrDuke]

Alexander Povetkin vs Marco Huck

1: Huck 10-9
2: Povetkin 10-9
3: Povetkin 10-9
4: Huck 10-9
5: Huck 10-9
6: Huck 10-9
7: Huck 10-9
8: Povetkin 10-9
9: Huck 10-9
10: Povetkin 10-9
11: Povetkin 10-9
12: Huck 10-9

Total: Huck 115-113

A solid scrap. Always having Huck winning this. Huck outjabbed Povetkin in the 1st. In the 2nd and the 3rd Povetkin was outboxing Huck. In the 4th Huck rocked Povetkin hard, after what Povetkin became tired. Povetkin was bending too low all the fight to avoid Huck's attacks, because he was gased out and thus had movement problems. Huck was outboxing Povetkin in a streak of 4 rounds in the middle of the fight. Povetkin bounced back later and began to take over despite the fact of tireing more and more. Huck himself already was tireing and became more reserved, he blew some late rounds, but in the last one Huck was landing bigger shots. A close and competetive affair, but a robbery.

[DrDuke]

Dillian Whyte vs Derek Chisora

1: Chisora 10-9
2: Chisora 10-9
3: Chisora 10-9
4: Whyte 10-9
5: Chisora 10-9
6: Whyte 10-9
7: Whyte 10-9
8: Chisora 10-9
9: Whyte 10-9
10: Chisora 10-9
11: Whyte 10-9
12: Chisora 10-9

Total score: Chisora 115-113

A very close and competetive war. It can be scored differently. For example, in the 1st no one really connected well. I gave it to Chisora because of his aggression. And in the 12th Whyte looked better overall, but completely blew the ending, where he could arguably even be given a count. Chisora started the fight better, but was tired after hurting Whyte in the middle of the fight and unleashing on him. Chisora's stamina caused a lot of troubles for him here, but generally Chisora was scoring the biggest shots.

[margaret thatcher]

Alexander Povetkin vs Marco Huck

1: Huck 10-9
2: Povetkin 10-9
3: Povetkin 10-9
4: Huck 10-9
5: Huck 10-9
6: Huck 10-9
7: Huck 10-9
8: Povetkin 10-9
9: Huck 10-9
10: Povetkin 10-9
11: Povetkin 10-9
12: Huck 10-9

Total: Huck 115-113

A solid scrap. Always having Huck winning this. Huck outjabbed Povetkin in the 1st. In the 2nd and the 3rd Povetkin was outboxing Huck. In the 4th Huck rocked Povetkin hard, after what Povetkin became tired. Povetkin was bending too low all the fight to avoid Huck's attacks, because he was gased out and thus had movement problems. Huck was outboxing Povetkin in a streak of 4 rounds in the middle of the fight. Povetkin bounced back later and began to take over despite the fact of tireing more and more. Huck himself already was tireing and became more reserved, he blew some late rounds, but in the last one Huck was landing bigger shots. A close and competetive affair, but a robbery.

I think I had it the same except that I gave Pov the first round too, so ended with a draw. Huck won his rounds much bigger but round by round it was close

[Woldemar]

Juan Diaz vs Lakva Sim

1-3 Diaz
4 - Sim
5-7 Diaz
8 - Sim
9-12 Diaz

Winner : Juan Diaz 118-110

Official scorecards : 116-112,118-110,118-111 by Juan Diaz


Good perfomance by Juan Diaz.He was better than Mongolian.Sim also have moments and some rounds was close with a slight advantage Diaz.

Very good fight.

[Ambling Alp II]

Muhammad Ali vs Jimmy Young (1976-04-30)

This title defense of the second reigh of Muhammad Ali is a very uneventful and dull fight showcasing The Greatest in arguably the worst shape of his carreer next to the Holmes one 4 years later, but it's still a very interesting one to score. There's a lot of different opinion of this one, some feels Ali was gifted the win, other feels like Young didn't do enough to win the title and that his use of passing his head through the ropes to evade Ali combinations. As such very few clear punches were landed by both man in the 15 rounder leading to a contreversial UD win for Muhammad Ali for which the champion himself admitted to train very little.

The fight was scored using the now forgotten 5 point must system which is the exact same thing as the 10 point system except the winner of a round gets 5 points and the loser 4 so this is the system I am going to use so my scorecard can easily be compared to the ones of the officials.

I must also precise that I am not very keen on scoring even rounds, in my book, a round of boxing is 3 minutes of competition in which one of the athletes always ends up taking the edge, even if very slight.

Round 1 : Young 5-4
Round 2 : Young 5-4
Round 3 : Ali 5-4
Round 4 : Young 5-4
Round 5 : Ali 5-4
Round 6 : Ali 5-4
Round 7 : Young 5-4
Round 8 : Ali 5-4
Round 9 : Ali 5-4
Round 10 : Young 5-4
Round 11 : Ali 5-4
Round 12 : Ali 5-3 Young was given a standing 8-count for pulling his head through the ropes
Round 13 : Young 5-4
Round 14 : Young 5-4
Round 15 : Young 5-4

FINAL SCORE : 67-67 DRAW

A very very close fight in which Ali just wasn't able to establish anything against the younger, faster and great counter-puncher Young which never tried to put any pressure on Ali giving us this very dull fight.

So the final question : Was Ali given the win ? No I don't think so as most of the fight go in the ''could have gone either way'' category. Young wasn't able to do any damage and pull any weight behind his punches even the stronger one, despite his poor condition Ali was able to throw and land the smartest and most effective punches. I also gave Young most of the rounds in which he pulled his head outside the ropes even the 13th in which he did it twice in a row because the referre did nothing about it but I could understand an official taking it into account to score the round against. In the end those weird dirty tactics might have costed him his once in a lifetime shot at Ali.

The officials scorecard were 72-65 / 71-64 / 70-68. The first two are really far from reality, I believe one of the judges scored none of the first 10 rounds for Young. Ali in the first round literally landed 0 punches because he was showboating and fooling around and one of the ended up scoring it even despite Young scoring with a couple of jabs and touch to the body, this is lunatic. The guy who scored 70-68 was certainly the more down to earth. Despite the weird scorecards, I think they did the right decision making Ali keep the heavyweight crown.

I must say this fight was a pain to score and that's why I want to share my scorecard with you guys to see if people have similar or different opinions on my take on it. How did you see it ?

This is my first ever post on the boxrec forum and after years of lurking around on the website, I finally decided to created an account to share my scorecards with you. I must also precise that engligh isn't my native language so sorry if there's any formating or spelling issue.

Young also ducked his head through the ropes to avoid getting hit in the 7th, 13th, and 15th rounds. (ali should got rounds 7 and 13 anyway). You can't give a guy a round if he has to resort to that. Change Ali those three rounds instead of Young, then instead of a draw, it becomes 70-64 for Ali.

[DrDuke]

Dillian Whyte vs Joseph Parker

1: Parker 10-9
2: Whyte 10-8 (Parker down after a headbutt and given a count)
3: Whyte 10-9
4: Whyte 10-9
5: Parker 10-9
6: Whyte 10-9
7: Whyte 10-9
8: Whyte 10-9
9: Whyte 10-8 (Parker down)
10: Whyte 10-9
11: Parker 10-9
12: Parker 10-8 (Whyte down)

Total score: Whyte 115-110

Some people say, if Parker wasn't given a count in the 2nd, he would win. Yeah, Parker won the 2nd, if not to score that stuff as a KD, but it still would have been 114-112 for Whyte. Of course, Parker could be frustrated by that and perform better without this frustration, but this is just a theory, excuses, etc. It is what it is, fighters should always remain fighters. Whyte won the bout fair and square, he was outfighting Parker for the majority of rounds. Btw, Whyte showed some real guts after being down himself.

[DrDuke]

Dillian Whyte vs Dereck Chisora II

1: Whyte 10-9
2: Whyte 10-9
3: Chisora 10-9
4: Chisora 10-9
5: Whyte 10-9
6: Chisora 10-9
7: Whyte 10-9
8: Whyte 10-8 (point deduction for a repeated low blow)
9: Whyte 10-9
10: Chisora 10-9
11: Whyte KO

Prior to KO: Whyte 96-93

I don't see the bout that close, as many do. Whyte was in control, boxed smart. Chisora provided a great effort, but Whyte was more effective.

[hhaehre]

Young also ducked his head through the ropes to avoid getting hit in the 7th, 13th, and 15th rounds. (ali should got rounds 7 and 13 anyway). You can't give a guy a round if he has to resort to that.

By the same token I guess you can't give a round to a fighter if he has to resort to excessive holding right? I'm thinking Frazier actually deserved the nod in the second Ali-Frazier fight even if the ref didn't penalize all the holding Ali resorted to.

[scartissue]

Watched two hard-luck fighters recently. Fres Oquendo v Maurice Harris. Oquendo had many high profile fight decisions go against him that I have to check a few out. Whereas Harris, who reminds me of a heavyweight Dwight Davison with his physical dimensions and that laid back style, would score big upsets but find a way to lose when you thought he had it together. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Oquendo
Round 2: 10-9 Harris
Round 3: 10-9 Oquendo
Round 4: 10-8 Oquendo (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 Harris
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Harris
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Harris
Round 10: Oquendo stops Harris

Total (through 9 completed rounds): 86-86 Even. (actual scores: all 3 judges had it 86-84 for Harris)

Not much to this fight that I would recommend other than an exercise in sharpening your scoring skills.

[Woldemar]

Juan Diaz vs Michael Katsidis ( IBO lightweight title)

1-6 Diaz
7 Even
8 Katsidis
9 Diaz
10 Katsidis
11 Even
12 Katsidis

Winner : Juan Diaz 117 -113

Official scorecards : Diaz won by SD ( 116-112,115-113 ,113-115)

Good fight.Diaz win clear first 6 rounds.In second half Katsidis much more worked than in first half ,landing better shots but it was not enough to win.

[DrDuke]

Alexander Povetkin vs Ruslan Chagaev

1: Povetkin 10-9
2: Povetkin 10-9
3: Povetkin 10-9
4: Povetkin 10-9
5: Povetkin 10-9
6: Chagaev 10-9
7: Chagaev 10-9
8: Povetkin 10-9
9: Povetkin 10-9
10: Povetkin 10-9
11: Chagaev 10-9
12: Povetkin 10-9

Total score: Povetkin 117-111

Povetkin confidently outboxed Chagaev. The fight was decent, always at the middle range, Povetkin made a classical performance against the southpaw, moving behind Chagaev's front hand, throwing variable short combinations.

[DrDuke]

Alexander Povetkin vs Carlos Takam

1: Takam 10-9
2: Povetkin 10-9
3: Takam 10-9
4: Povetkin 10-9
5: Takam 10-9
6: Povetkin 10-9
7: Povetkin 10-9
8: Povetkin 10-9
9: Povetkin 10-8
10: Povetkin KO

Total score: Povetkin 87-83

A highly competetive fight in the first half of the distance. Takam was provoking Povetkin to go forward, he was countering well. He was scoring great jabs, right hands, left hooks. Povetkin seemed slower and had major success in close with his uppercuts. By the midpoint of the distance Povetkin calculated Takam and began to take over. In the 9th Takam looked tired, Povetkin sent him down at the last seconds of the round. In the next one Povetkin finished the job. A highly entertaining fight.

[DrDuke]

Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin

1: Povetkin 10-9
2: Povetkin 10-9
3: Joshua 10-9
4: Joshua 10-9
5: Povetkin 10-9
6: Joshua 10-9
57-57
7: Joshua KO

[DrDuke]

Alexander Povetkin vs Michael Hunter

1: Hunter 10-9
2: Hunter 10-9
3: Povetkin 10-9
4: Povetkin 10-9
5: Povetkin 10-9
6: Povetkin 10-9
7: Povetkin 10-9
8: Hunter 10-9
9: Hunter 10-9
10: Povetkin 10-9
11: Hunter 10-9
12: Povetkin 10-9

Total score: Povetkin 115-113

A very close one. Hunter landed the biggest shots. Povetkin landed more overall. Hunter started fast in the first two rounds, he wanted to KO Povetkin, but was probably frustrated, after he had failed to do it. Povetkin was outboxing Hunter, until he began to tire after the mid-rounds. The middle of the fight was damn close. Povetkin began to blow some rounds after that, but Hunter still wasn't using the situation much, probably he was tired enough too, although looked fresher than Povetkin. Povetkin edged the fight. But it could go either way really.

[scartissue]

Greg Haugen v Vinnie Pazienza I

Round 1: 10-9 Greg
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Greg
Round 4: 10-9 Paz
Round 5: 10-9 Paz
Round 6: 10-9 Paz
Round 7: 10-9 Paz
Round 8: 10-9 Greg
Round 9: 10-9 Greg
Round 10: 10-9 Greg
Round 11: 10-9 Paz
Round 12: 10-9 Paz
Round 13: 10-9 Greg
Round 14: 10-9 Greg
Round 15: 10-10 Even

Total: 144-143 Haugen (actual scores: 144-141 twice and 144-142 all for Paz)

Tough fight to score. Haugen didn't have the workrate that Paz had, but one needs a pasta colander to separate Vinnie's substance from flash and shoeshining, which was ample throughout the contest. One way he continually negated Haugen's more accurate punching was his repeated body-block throughout the contest that put Greg on the defensive against the ropes. I agree what was mentioned by the announcers, a draw would have been the better result.