Why did he quit against such a poor fighter?elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Aug 2020, 17:25 It was a redeeming win for Genaro "Chicanito" Hernandez after the embarrassing loss when he quit against Oscar De LaHoya
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Despite a broken back, Oscarito destroys Genaro.
The Golden Boy broke Hernandez's nose and made him quit in the 6th round of their fight. That was the first defeat for the great Chicanito. The only other defeat of his career would be to Pretty Boy Floyd 3 years later in his last fight. The step was too much for him against Oscarito. Of course, when you are used to face B+ level fighters like Jorge Paez and Azumah Nelson, Oscarito seems like a mix of Godzilla and Zeus.
What most don't know is that The Great Golden Boy did this with a back in bad shape and went to Valley Hospital right after the fight. As per the LA Times: Coincidentally, De La Hoya, complaining of back problems, also went to Valley after the fight.
De La Hoya (19-0, 17 knockouts), for his part, said he wrenched his back before the second round, which limited his ability to display his developing style of twisting and ducking away from hard shots and turning back in to deliver hooks and uppercuts.
But even with a troublesome back, De La Hoya was, as Rudy Hernandez said, “awesome.”
What SRL did to Duran, Oscarito did to the great Chicanito of LA, CA, USA. Genaro said afterwards: “It’s better to say no mas than not to say another word.”
Unlike Duran though, the great Chicanito had a good reason to say No Mas, his nose being severely broken. According to Hernandez’s physician, Adam Karns, Hernandez suffered a very long break of his nose, severely worsening a condition that had developed during sparring with Shane Mosley several weeks ago. “It’s such severe pain, no one could have continued,” Karns said. “No one.” (LA Times) Nothing embarassing in that loss.
The Golden Boy broke Hernandez's nose and made him quit in the 6th round of their fight. That was the first defeat for the great Chicanito. The only other defeat of his career would be to Pretty Boy Floyd 3 years later in his last fight. The step was too much for him against Oscarito. Of course, when you are used to face B+ level fighters like Jorge Paez and Azumah Nelson, Oscarito seems like a mix of Godzilla and Zeus.
What most don't know is that The Great Golden Boy did this with a back in bad shape and went to Valley Hospital right after the fight. As per the LA Times: Coincidentally, De La Hoya, complaining of back problems, also went to Valley after the fight.
De La Hoya (19-0, 17 knockouts), for his part, said he wrenched his back before the second round, which limited his ability to display his developing style of twisting and ducking away from hard shots and turning back in to deliver hooks and uppercuts.
But even with a troublesome back, De La Hoya was, as Rudy Hernandez said, “awesome.”
What SRL did to Duran, Oscarito did to the great Chicanito of LA, CA, USA. Genaro said afterwards: “It’s better to say no mas than not to say another word.”
Unlike Duran though, the great Chicanito had a good reason to say No Mas, his nose being severely broken. According to Hernandez’s physician, Adam Karns, Hernandez suffered a very long break of his nose, severely worsening a condition that had developed during sparring with Shane Mosley several weeks ago. “It’s such severe pain, no one could have continued,” Karns said. “No one.” (LA Times) Nothing embarassing in that loss.
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Nobody has said that Oscar De LaHoya is a poor fighter. I am saying that he does not belong with the true greatest fighters of all time of the top 100. Azumah Nelson definitely belongs.Wee Tommy wrote: ↑20 Aug 2020, 20:08Why did he quit against such a poor fighter?elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Aug 2020, 17:25 It was a redeeming win for Genaro "Chicanito" Hernandez after the embarrassing loss when he quit against Oscar De LaHoya
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He couldn't carry the great DLH's fishnets.
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Pascual Perez definitely does not.elmersalsa wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 12:30Nobody has said that Oscar De LaHoya is a poor fighter. I am saying that he does not belong with the true greatest fighters of all time of the top 100. Azumah Nelson definitely belongs.Wee Tommy wrote: ↑20 Aug 2020, 20:08Why did he quit against such a poor fighter?elmersalsa wrote: ↑20 Aug 2020, 17:25 It was a redeeming win for Genaro "Chicanito" Hernandez after the embarrassing loss when he quit against Oscar De LaHoya
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Yes, he does. And plenty.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 13:36Pascual Perez definitely does not.elmersalsa wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 12:30Nobody has said that Oscar De LaHoya is a poor fighter. I am saying that he does not belong with the true greatest fighters of all time of the top 100. Azumah Nelson definitely belongs.![]()
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Oscar, struggling to get to Nelsons knees while he holds his fishnets out of his grasp. Come on Elmer, that’s too far.elmersalsa wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 13:53I could say that about Oscar could not reach Nelson's knees when it comes to greatness.
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You could but that would definitely be stupid.elmersalsa wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 13:53I could say that about Oscar could not reach Nelson's knees when it comes to greatness.
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He should get Oscar's autograph.elmersalsa wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 13:52Yes, he does. And plenty.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 13:36Pascual Perez definitely does not.elmersalsa wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 12:30
Nobody has said that Oscar De LaHoya is a poor fighter. I am saying that he does not belong with the true greatest fighters of all time of the top 100. Azumah Nelson definitely belongs.![]()
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Two gold medalists, one of the two couldn’t get his family to watch him fight.
Even if he paid them
Even if he paid them
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The other one being the PPV king.
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One thing I'll give Perez, he's in the running for most overrated. Odd at fly, Wilde is overrated too. Labarba and newsboy brown underrated.
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Oscar was more overrated than all of those 4 together.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 20:44 One thing I'll give Perez, he's in the running for most overrated. Odd at fly, Wilde is overrated too. Labarba and newsboy brown underrated.
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No way! Oscarito crushed Steve Forbes.
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Labarba & Brown are overrated?elmersalsa wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 22:59Oscar was more overrated than all of those 4 together.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 20:44 One thing I'll give Perez, he's in the running for most overrated. Odd at fly, Wilde is overrated too. Labarba and newsboy brown underrated.
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Fidel La Barba is a true all time top 100 great pound per pound fighter. Oscar De LaHoya is not.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 00:07Labarba & Brown are overrated?elmersalsa wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 22:59Oscar was more overrated than all of those 4 together.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 20:44 One thing I'll give Perez, he's in the running for most overrated. Odd at fly, Wilde is overrated too. Labarba and newsboy brown underrated.
Newsboy Brown to me, was better than De LaHoya.
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Jimmy Wilde, Pascual Perez and Fidel La Barba were great, great fighters. Top 100 in my book. Top ten flyweights in my view, too.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Aug 2020, 20:44 One thing I'll give Perez, he's in the running for most overrated. Odd at fly, Wilde is overrated too. Labarba and newsboy brown underrated.
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elmersalsa wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 14:04Fidel La Barba is a true all time top 100 great pound per pound fighter. Oscar De LaHoya is not.
Newsboy Brown to me, was better than De LaHoya.
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And what is funny?Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 15:44elmersalsa wrote: ↑22 Aug 2020, 14:04Fidel La Barba is a true all time top 100 great pound per pound fighter. Oscar De LaHoya is not.
Newsboy Brown to me, was better than De LaHoya.![]()
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Midget Wolgast is another incredibly underrated Fly. He’s my pick for #1 all time there, actually.
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Well, the great Azumah Nelson lost the last 3 fights of his career. He should've called it quits after losing his title to Genaro "Chicanito" Hernandez.
He had a fourth fight with Jesse James Leija in San Antonio, TX. It was to settle the score. But, Nelson did not had it against Leija. He truly was finished. In my view, he only win 2 rounds. It was for the created vacant IBA World Lightweight Championship.
Leija fought smart and outboxed Nelson. He Was faster of feet and hands. He deserved the win. Leija win the 4-fight series 2-1-1.
Another fight that The Professor wanted to settle the score was with Jeff Fenech. This happened ten years after his loss to Leija in 1998. In the year 2008, on a Tuesday night of June 24th, Nelson travels to Melbourne, Australia to fight Jeff Fenech for the third time. There was no title on the line, and both fighters fought at super welterweight pound limit. They looked fat and slow, but their will to win and the fight itself was like the first pattern of the two previous fights between them. It was not as entertaining as the their two first bouts. All due to thanks to Fenech's tactics which were like he always did: pressure Nelson to the ropes and don't give him room to punch.
Most of the punches were smothered. The beautifully round card girls were more entertaining than the fight itself. There was not much drama nor action due to their age, (Nelson was 49 in the fight and Fenech was 44).
There were not enough punches landed, either. But, Fenech was the busier fighter, smothering Nelson's shots and bullying him to the ropes.
Fenech won by majority decision and the trilogy between these two great boxers went 1-1-1.
Nelson finshed his career on a losing note. Like so many all-time great boxers, there is no denying his place in history as one of boxing's all-time pound per pound top 100 fighters.
He had a fourth fight with Jesse James Leija in San Antonio, TX. It was to settle the score. But, Nelson did not had it against Leija. He truly was finished. In my view, he only win 2 rounds. It was for the created vacant IBA World Lightweight Championship.
Leija fought smart and outboxed Nelson. He Was faster of feet and hands. He deserved the win. Leija win the 4-fight series 2-1-1.
Another fight that The Professor wanted to settle the score was with Jeff Fenech. This happened ten years after his loss to Leija in 1998. In the year 2008, on a Tuesday night of June 24th, Nelson travels to Melbourne, Australia to fight Jeff Fenech for the third time. There was no title on the line, and both fighters fought at super welterweight pound limit. They looked fat and slow, but their will to win and the fight itself was like the first pattern of the two previous fights between them. It was not as entertaining as the their two first bouts. All due to thanks to Fenech's tactics which were like he always did: pressure Nelson to the ropes and don't give him room to punch.
Most of the punches were smothered. The beautifully round card girls were more entertaining than the fight itself. There was not much drama nor action due to their age, (Nelson was 49 in the fight and Fenech was 44).
There were not enough punches landed, either. But, Fenech was the busier fighter, smothering Nelson's shots and bullying him to the ropes.
Fenech won by majority decision and the trilogy between these two great boxers went 1-1-1.
Nelson finshed his career on a losing note. Like so many all-time great boxers, there is no denying his place in history as one of boxing's all-time pound per pound top 100 fighters.
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At #80, we have another underrated boxer that gave us so many thrills and memories in the 90s and 2000s decades.
His name? Erik "El Terrible" Morales of Mexico.
His name? Erik "El Terrible" Morales of Mexico.
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And the countdown so far is:
100. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Sonny Liston
98. Vicente Saldivar
97. Gene Fullmer
96. Mike Tyson
95. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Benny Lynch
93. Jack Britton
92. Tommy Ryan
91. Mike McCallum
90. James "Lights Out" Toney
89. Tiger Flowers
88. Joe Brown
87. Ted "Kid" Lewis
86. Peter Jackson
85. Beau Jack
84. Lennox Lewis
83. Abe Attell
82. Holman Williams
81. Azumah Nelson
80. Erik "El Terrible" Morales
100. Jersey Joe Walcott
99. Sonny Liston
98. Vicente Saldivar
97. Gene Fullmer
96. Mike Tyson
95. Eusebio Pedroza
94. Benny Lynch
93. Jack Britton
92. Tommy Ryan
91. Mike McCallum
90. James "Lights Out" Toney
89. Tiger Flowers
88. Joe Brown
87. Ted "Kid" Lewis
86. Peter Jackson
85. Beau Jack
84. Lennox Lewis
83. Abe Attell
82. Holman Williams
81. Azumah Nelson
80. Erik "El Terrible" Morales
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#80. Erik "El Terrible" Morales
Record: 52-9 with 36KOs
KO pct is 69%
Career: 1993-2007; 2010-2012
World Titles Held: WBC World Super Bantamweight Champion (1997-2000), WBC World Featherweight Champion (2000-2002, 2002-2004), WBC World Jr Lightweight Champion (2004), IBF World Jr Lightweight Champion (2004) and WBC World Jr Welterweight Champion (2011-2012)
Highlights:A four-division boxing world champion that has a record of 18-5 with 11KOs in world title fights. Beat 15 out of 18 world champions he faced. (Record vs world champions is 16-8, with 5KOs). Beat 3 out of 3 hall of fame boxers. (Record vs hall of famers is 3-4 with 1KO). Won his first 41 bouts. Made 9 successful title defenses of the WBC World Super Bantamweight Crown. Did not lose his super bantamweight crown.
Historical Impact:First and only fighter of Mexico's great boxing tradition to win 4 world crowns in 4 different weight classes. Had a high-profile rivalry with fellow countryman Marco Antonio Barrera, winning the first fight of the 3-fight series. Their 1st and 3rd fights of the rivalry were The Ring Fight of the Year for 2000 and 2004, respectively. Was the best super bantam fighter of the 1990s decade. He is considered one of the greatest 122-pounders of all-time.
Defining Fight:W12 Marco Antonio Barrera....February 19, 2000...."Won the first fight of this Mexican Civil War trilogy"
Other Defining Fights: WKO11 Daniel Zaragoza, L12 Marco Antonio Barrera (II), W12 Paulie Ayala, L12 Marco Antonio Barrera (III), W12 Manny Pacquiao, and WTKO10 Pablo Cesar Cano.
Record: 52-9 with 36KOs
KO pct is 69%
Career: 1993-2007; 2010-2012
World Titles Held: WBC World Super Bantamweight Champion (1997-2000), WBC World Featherweight Champion (2000-2002, 2002-2004), WBC World Jr Lightweight Champion (2004), IBF World Jr Lightweight Champion (2004) and WBC World Jr Welterweight Champion (2011-2012)
Highlights:A four-division boxing world champion that has a record of 18-5 with 11KOs in world title fights. Beat 15 out of 18 world champions he faced. (Record vs world champions is 16-8, with 5KOs). Beat 3 out of 3 hall of fame boxers. (Record vs hall of famers is 3-4 with 1KO). Won his first 41 bouts. Made 9 successful title defenses of the WBC World Super Bantamweight Crown. Did not lose his super bantamweight crown.
Historical Impact:First and only fighter of Mexico's great boxing tradition to win 4 world crowns in 4 different weight classes. Had a high-profile rivalry with fellow countryman Marco Antonio Barrera, winning the first fight of the 3-fight series. Their 1st and 3rd fights of the rivalry were The Ring Fight of the Year for 2000 and 2004, respectively. Was the best super bantam fighter of the 1990s decade. He is considered one of the greatest 122-pounders of all-time.
Defining Fight:W12 Marco Antonio Barrera....February 19, 2000...."Won the first fight of this Mexican Civil War trilogy"
Other Defining Fights: WKO11 Daniel Zaragoza, L12 Marco Antonio Barrera (II), W12 Paulie Ayala, L12 Marco Antonio Barrera (III), W12 Manny Pacquiao, and WTKO10 Pablo Cesar Cano.