Dub vs Joyce updated poll

[The Gratest]

Joyce has fought and beaten a higher calibre of opponent compared to Dubios. However, I don't see that as having a bearing on how the fight between the pair of them will pan out. I'd also expect Dubios to have taken care of any of the opponents on Joyce's record and, in the case of Jennings, probably a stoppage win at that.
I like both these guys, they both could have a future at a higher lever. Dubois probably more so due to age and a more conventional style (+his equaliser power).

When I watch Joyce, he just looks so cumbersome, open to be hit, and seems to do so much wrong. Yet, at the same time he somehow seems to be effective despite what appear to be faults in his style. He is very busy though, has great stamina and does go to the body. I will say that, even though he's beaten higher level opponents, none of them carried the firepower that Dubios has and will test Joyce's juggernaught chin with.

I don't see a blowout in this, I think it'll take a few rounds for their styles to mesh. Despite being so open, Joyce doesn't seem to get tagged that much, more probably to do with his size and the amount of punches he throws. Dubois will be throwing with him though and I feel he'll tag and manage to hurt Joyce late on and be able to finish it. I see Dubois winning the early rounds with his jab, Joyce coming back in the middle rounds with his volume punching, but then a late stoppage for Dubois.

I just wish they'd stop trying to create this false beef between the pair of them. Neither of them are great talkers and you can see it's also not in their nature to talk sh1t about opponents either, especially Dubois who just appears a bit embarrased when expected to do so. Just let them get on with what is a great matchup at this stage of their careers without all that crap.

[Cyclops]

I find it bizarre (on social media, not so much here) that people are predicting Dubois to win in a round or two. People underestimate Joyce IMO. Joyce would have destroyed every single one of Dubois'opponents just as easily as he did.

Joyce has career wins (am + pro) over Jennings, Yoka, Hrgovic, Dychko, Majidov, Stiverne and Ustinov. Maybe not world beaters, but several levels above anyone Dubois has fought. Literally the only named guy on Dubois' record is Kevin Johnson.

It'd be awesome if Dubois did 'detonate' Joyce, as I believe Joyce has only been down once heavy in his extensive career, and he recovered well from that. It'd certainly send other heavyweights a message about how powerful he is, but I've got a feeling that Joyce will take Dubois' best shots and still keep coming forward.

I don’t see it as a quick knock over job but I do see Joyce being taken out by 7 or 8

I think Dubois will only win if he does get Joyce out in 7 or 8, if it gets to the later rounds I don't think he does.

Joyce has been in with some big punchers and taken many big shots in his career, yet still not been properly KOed. It would be an amazing achievement for Dubois if he could be the first. The top guys like AJ and Fury will have sparred Joyce many times in the past and I bet neither would be confident of a conclusive KO stoppage.

I'm sure lots of really knowledgable posters are picking Dubois but most people I've spoken to who are rabidly picking Dubois suddenly develop what I can only describe as a gormless frown when I tell them Joyce deserved the Olympic gold more than Joshua did and has beat the aforementioned amateurs. I think people have watched him struggle with Jennings and get landed on early flush by Bermane Stiverne and then watched his WSB fight chasing Usyk around and written him off. I don't think anybody really realises the Usyk fight was only two years into Joyce's amateur career while Usyk had already won Olympic gold.

[Boxerbeetle]

Dubois for me, but certainly wouldn’t shock me if Joyce won.

[cormack]

most likely scenario is this gets postponed until 2021 anyway due to covid .
warren has said they need UK fans paying for tickets which suggests it isnt big enough for ppv or an overseas venue paying out .

[DrDuke]

Dubois by KO. Faster, more explosive, those will be defining factors. Surprised with Joyce winning the poll right now. Well, as far as I remember, Gorman also was picked by way too many over Dub.

[Verdi]

Dubois by KO. Faster, more explosive, those will be defining factors. Surprised with Joyce winning the poll right now. Well, as far as I remember, Gorman also was picked by way too many over Dub.

Gorman, much like Dubois, is/was untested. Joyce isn't. Most of Joyce's opponents have been faster and more explosive than he is, he still beat most of them though.

[DrDuke]

Dubois by KO. Faster, more explosive, those will be defining factors. Surprised with Joyce winning the poll right now. Well, as far as I remember, Gorman also was picked by way too many over Dub.

Gorman, much like Dubois, is/was untested. Joyce isn't. Most of Joyce's opponents have been faster and more explosive than he is, he still beat most of them though.

Neither of Joyce's previous opponents seemed to be that good with these features in comparison to Dub.

[Verdi]

Dubois by KO. Faster, more explosive, those will be defining factors. Surprised with Joyce winning the poll right now. Well, as far as I remember, Gorman also was picked by way too many over Dub.

Gorman, much like Dubois, is/was untested. Joyce isn't. Most of Joyce's opponents have been faster and more explosive than he is, he still beat most of them though.

Neither of Joyce's previous opponents seemed to be that good with these features in comparison to Dub.

A lot of HW boxers look amazing when fighting cruiserweights and low level guys. We simply know how good he is, as he's never fought anyone of note.

[DrDuke]

Gorman, much like Dubois, is/was untested. Joyce isn't. Most of Joyce's opponents have been faster and more explosive than he is, he still beat most of them though.

Neither of Joyce's previous opponents seemed to be that good with these features in comparison to Dub.

A lot of HW boxers look amazing when fighting cruiserweights and low level guys. We simply know how good he is, as he's never fought anyone of note.

Gorman looked better than any Joe's win. The likes of Kiladze and Ustinov are mediocre, the likes of Jennings and Stiverne are declining. Dub crushed the same rising prospect confidently.

[Verdi]

Neither of Joyce's previous opponents seemed to be that good with these features in comparison to Dub.

A lot of HW boxers look amazing when fighting cruiserweights and low level guys. We simply know how good he is, as he's never fought anyone of note.

Gorman looked better than any Joe's win. The likes of Kiladze and Ustinov are mediocre, the likes of Jennings and Stiverne are declining. Dub crushed the same rising prospect confidently.

And who's Gormans best win? There was a little bit of hype about him, but in reality he's unproven beyond domestic level. He's too feather fisted and out of shape, to ever make it at world level.

[DrDuke]

A lot of HW boxers look amazing when fighting cruiserweights and low level guys. We simply know how good he is, as he's never fought anyone of note.

Gorman looked better than any Joe's win. The likes of Kiladze and Ustinov are mediocre, the likes of Jennings and Stiverne are declining. Dub crushed the same rising prospect confidently.

And who's Gormans best win? There was a little bit of hype about him, but in reality he's unproven beyond domestic level. He's too feather fisted and out of shape, to ever make it at world level.

He at least was considered as a threat, as he was picked by many. Joyce has never faced someone threatening, Dub is the first for him. However, it's not even a defining factor for me to pick Dub over Joyce.

[Verdi]

Gorman looked better than any Joe's win. The likes of Kiladze and Ustinov are mediocre, the likes of Jennings and Stiverne are declining. Dub crushed the same rising prospect confidently.

And who's Gormans best win? There was a little bit of hype about him, but in reality he's unproven beyond domestic level. He's too feather fisted and out of shape, to ever make it at world level.

He at least was considered as a threat, as he was picked by many. Joyce has never faced someone threatening, Dub is the first for him. However, it's not even a defining factor for me to pick Dub over Joyce.

I'm slightly edging Joyce, but only on experience, size, durability and stamina. I'd say 55/45 in Joyce's favour.

Whatever happens, as a boxing fan, this is going to be a great fight. I'd love to see Dubois be the first to spark out Joyce, I just can't see it happening as Joyce is made from stone. Huge shots just bounce off his body and face, yet the bloke never stops coming forward. I guess we'll see how powerful Dubois actually is. I can't wait for this one.

[chinarich]

I’m going with Joyce on this. Even though he is slower I just don’t think Dubois will end up breaking him down. Joyce wins...

[DrDuke]

And who's Gormans best win? There was a little bit of hype about him, but in reality he's unproven beyond domestic level. He's too feather fisted and out of shape, to ever make it at world level.

He at least was considered as a threat, as he was picked by many. Joyce has never faced someone threatening, Dub is the first for him. However, it's not even a defining factor for me to pick Dub over Joyce.

I'm slightly edging Joyce, but only on experience, size, durability and stamina. I'd say 55/45 in Joyce's favour.

Whatever happens, as a boxing fan, this is going to be a great fight. I'd love to see Dubois be the first to spark out Joyce, I just can't see it happening as Joyce is made from stone. Huge shots just bounce off his body and face, yet the bloke never stops coming forward. I guess we'll see how powerful Dubois actually is. I can't wait for this one.

Yeah, Joyce has the experience and durability, so I won't be shocked, if he wins. However, I pick Dub, because Joyce is quite hittable and slower than Dub. He isn't a boxer to outslick Dub either. There will be exchanges and in the exchanges I'd favor a faster and more explosive fighter.

[oogiebe]

I still think Dubs cleans his clock.

[Verdi]

He at least was considered as a threat, as he was picked by many. Joyce has never faced someone threatening, Dub is the first for him. However, it's not even a defining factor for me to pick Dub over Joyce.

I'm slightly edging Joyce, but only on experience, size, durability and stamina. I'd say 55/45 in Joyce's favour.

Whatever happens, as a boxing fan, this is going to be a great fight. I'd love to see Dubois be the first to spark out Joyce, I just can't see it happening as Joyce is made from stone. Huge shots just bounce off his body and face, yet the bloke never stops coming forward. I guess we'll see how powerful Dubois actually is. I can't wait for this one.

Yeah, Joyce has the experience and durability, so I won't be shocked, if he wins. However, I pick Dub, because Joyce is quite hittable and slower than Dub. He isn't a boxer to outslick Dub either. There will be exchanges and in the exchanges I'd favor a faster and more explosive fighter.

That's something Dubois may have to end up doing; outslicking Joyce to get the win. If Joyce can eat up his shots and still keep up his usual relentless style, I just hope Dubois doesn't go into panic mode, as that's when he'll be most vulnerable. If he can keep a level head and rely on his boxing ability, he could easily take a points win. I just worry about his inexperience and how he'd cope under pressure, if his style up until now proves to be ineffective.

[Grilling Machine]

Durability has limits, as we saw last year with Wilder-Breazeale. Joyce is tough, but if Dubois can land multiple shots in relative succession he will stop him on accumulation. But likewise, Joyce can wear down and stop Dubois.

I just favour the power advantage of Dubois, because I think it's the biggest thing separating them.

[Cyclops]

Gorman looked better than any Joe's win. The likes of Kiladze and Ustinov are mediocre, the likes of Jennings and Stiverne are declining. Dub crushed the same rising prospect confidently.

And who's Gormans best win? There was a little bit of hype about him, but in reality he's unproven beyond domestic level. He's too feather fisted and out of shape, to ever make it at world level.

He at least was considered as a threat, as he was picked by many. Joyce has never faced someone threatening, Dub is the first for him. However, it's not even a defining factor for me to pick Dub over Joyce.

Not by me. I remember saying to a bunch of lads in front of us at the show when they asked me who I thought would win and I said "Dubois and it won't even be close. He's going to walk through him. I hope I'm wrong because I don't care who wins, I haven't put a bet on, I just want to see a good fight."

The last time I put on bets was for this fight when it was initially announced, because the odds were something like 5/1
for Joyce to win by KO, and at the same time I bet for Fury to KO Wilder in the rematch.

[keirw]

I think Joyce is all wrong for Dubois. Sure he can be hit, but he takes a punch and will always come forward with punches of his own.

Joyce has never looked overly impressive, but tends to get the job done. Also, should be the current Olympic gold medalist imo.

Dub has decent power, but I have seen nothing to suggest he has enough to stop Joyce early (like some think). He has a good jab too, but I doubt it will be enough to keep the juggernaut at bay for more than a few rounds.

But then I did pick Gorman to beat Dubois, so I may be wrong again.
Although, I think Joyce would walk through Gorman like he isn't even there.

[magnus]

It's a great domestic fight isn't it? I just can't see it happening this year. For some reason we're told that the two can't fight each other without a big crowd and PPV. The crowd certainly isn't happening in just over a month and will it be a PPV success in the current climate? I'd try and stick in on the UK leg of Fury-Wilder III, but that type of VFM doesn't seem to exist anymore in PPV world.

DD & Warren just seem to mention Whyte recently, the noise regarding DD vs Joyce has dropped considerably.

For what it's worth, my instinct is to pick Joyce. DD has barely fought anyone of note, Gorman was unproven even at British level and Kingpin was his normal late-career, just happy to be here and cover up, self. He's looked impressive, but Joyce would have massacred that lot too.

Joyce is vastly more experienced, strong and sturdy, with a dig. He does move like the QE2 mind.

If Joyce does win, especially if it's a dominant win, no doubt Team Hindsight will be out in full Price-Thompson force. I'm getting in before them.

I've been wrong before though (Jorge Luis Gonzales will dominate the division!) so who knows...

[margaret thatcher]

Weird to me how the polls have changed so much, when the only new thing since the last poll (which heavily favoured dub) was that they both easily won 'keep busy' fights over weak opponents

what gives

[margaret thatcher]

Neither of Joyce's previous opponents seemed to be that good with these features in comparison to Dub.

A lot of HW boxers look amazing when fighting cruiserweights and low level guys. We simply know how good he is, as he's never fought anyone of note.

Gorman looked better than any Joe's win. The likes of Kiladze and Ustinov are mediocre, the likes of Jennings and Stiverne are declining. Dub crushed the same rising prospect confidently.

I think Jennings is better than Gorman, although that was also a somewhat close fight for Joe despite the cards and I didn't watch that and really get the impression that Joyce was particularly powerful or anything like that. More that he could at least keep his punches going in decent volume over 12 for a hw, which tbf is a legit strength

[Coco]

Tbh what a great fight for the Brit title, I thought DDD v Gorman was a proper good match up, but this is a level above.

While I'm picking Joyce(I picked Gorman too), it really is a pick um fight

[margaret thatcher]

I picked Dub to run through Gorman. I defo think Joyce is a level above Nate, but I see Dub as a pretty top tier talent with elite world class potential, and like him to pass this test too. Either way though I'm super stoked for this......it's a fight I never saw being made as long as they were both undefeated

[Fightnight Scores]

Another one here for youth and power to overcome rugged experience.

Too many are shouting about Joyce having been in with Jennings & Stiverne but lets face it the heavyweight division is hardly lacking in depth.

Fury and AJ at the top, Wilder, Povetkin & Ruiz + Ortiz at a push next. Some moderate contenders like Whyte, Chisora, Hunter & Parker.....and within that lot you could probably put these two and the odd other up and comer....Then the standard drops off a cliff.

I don't think experience has too much bearing on this one.