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[DrDuke]

That's one I should rewatch, as I only watched it live. I had it live clearly for Castillo, I think 115-111. Can't say that Floyd was being all that good defensively at any point in the fight. It's really the only fight he's had where I thought he was being consistently hit and outscored. The other fights some people had against him were Maidana 1 and Oscar, but I thought he won those clearly, not Castillo 1 though

If I recall, I thought he spent way too much time on the ropes, and got hit a lot there. He was standing still and not keeping up with Castillo's output and his defense was just not up to its usual sttandard. In the rematch he moved a lot more, built a big lead, then cruised home for a clear win

wILl try to give it another watch soon to see if my perspective has changed

Nope, he wasn't consistently hit and outscored. He clearly won the first 5 rounds. When I was rewatching it yesterday, I even thought in round 3 or 4: "Damn, did I turn on the rematch?". The fight's status of a robbery is vastly overblown.

[margaret thatcher]

I'll check it bruh

[Duran1970]

Castillo vs Mayweather Jr 1

10-9 m
10-9 m
19-9 m
10-9 m
10-9 c
10-9 c
10-9 c
9-9
10-9 m
10-8 c
10-9 c
10-9 c

114-112 Jose Luis Castillo..

Rewatching this I tried to be pro Mayweather..
Terrible reffing.. obviously the judges didn't count body shots... did Floyd do enough to take Castillo s title?.. Mayweather didn't win this fight.

[Counter-puncher]

a treat for regular contributors and viewers of this thread, here's an absolute classic I never heard of before and I don't think has ever been discussed on here, Freddie Castillo vs Eleoncio Mercedes for the WBC flyweight title back in 1981, WHAT a fight:



its southpaw brawler vs the very slick skillful boxer- looking at Mercedes's style, you would swear blind he must be Panamanian, he's got that smooth style and some of his moves make him the spitting image of Pedrosa or Marcel

I didn't score it but the way the fight progressed, and the support the champion Castillo had in the building, I wasn't surprised by the S/D verdict.

[DrDuke]

Pernell Whitaker vs Oscar De La Hoya

1: Whitaker 10-9
2: De La Hoya 10-9
3: De La Hoya 10-8 (Whitaker deducted a point for an incidental headbutt)
4: De La Hoya 10-9
5: Whitaker 10-9
6: Whitaker 10-9
7: Whitaker 10-9
8: De La Hoya 10-9
9: Whitaker 10-8 (De La Hoya down)
10: De La Hoya 10-9
11: Whitaker 10-9
12: De La Hoya 10-9

Total: 113-113 (Whitaker 114-113 without the excessive point deduction from Whitaker)

Not severe, but still a robbery. Whitaker fought five men at the same time: Chuck Giampa, Jerry Roth, Dalby Shirley, Mills Lane and Oscar De La Hoya to a little bit lesser extent, cause Pernell was majorly clowning Oscar. Well, Lane wasn't doing absolutely bad and overall he's a great referee, but still he made a mistake with taking away a point from Whitaker for an incidental headbutt, as it had been incidental. Actually, Whitaker also spoiled it a bit for himself, as he could do more in the final round, where he was just having fun, as if he had won all eleven before, while that hadn't been like that, Pernell blew the round for nothing. I had it a draw in rounds and I would have had Whitaker by a one point due to a knockdown scored by him in the 9th, if there wouldn't have been that excessive point deduction from Whitaker. It was a close fight, but Whitaker was looking more like a daddy there.

[Ambling Alp II]

Wow.

Surely brevity is the soul of wit, but what's exactly is so wowing for ya and why?

It is a text book example of a gift decision. In fact it's the very first fight mentioned on this thread. Mayweather slept walked his way through the fight. Not sure if if I have heard any Mayweather fan claim that he won that fight. Should have been a very clear cut decision for Castillo.

[Duran1970]

Pernell Whitaker vs Oscar De La Hoya

1: Whitaker 10-9
2: De La Hoya 10-9
3: De La Hoya 10-8 (Whitaker deducted a point for an incidental headbutt)
4: De La Hoya 10-9
5: Whitaker 10-9
6: Whitaker 10-9
7: Whitaker 10-9
8: De La Hoya 10-9
9: Whitaker 10-8 (De La Hoya down)
10: De La Hoya 10-9
11: Whitaker 10-9
12: De La Hoya 10-9

Total: 113-113 (Whitaker 114-113 without the excessive point deduction from Whitaker)

Not severe, but still a robbery. Whitaker fought five men at the same time: Chuck Giampa, Jerry Roth, Dalby Shirley, Mills Lane and Oscar De La Hoya to a little bit lesser extent, cause Pernell was majorly clowning Oscar. Well, Lane wasn't doing absolutely bad and overall he's a great referee, but still he made a mistake with taking away a point from Whitaker for an incidental headbutt, as it had been incidental. Actually, Whitaker also spoiled it a bit for himself, as he could do more in the final round, where he was just having fun, as if he had won all eleven before, while that hadn't been like that, Pernell blew the round for nothing. I had it a draw in rounds and I would have had Whitaker by a one point due to a knockdown scored by him in the 9th, if there wouldn't have been that excessive point deduction from Whitaker. It was a close fight, but Whitaker was looking more like a daddy there.

Wasn't Mills Lanes fault for the point deduction it was the stupid WBC rules that penalized the uncut fighter.

[DrDuke]

Wow.

Surely brevity is the soul of wit, but what's exactly is so wowing for ya and why?

It is a text book example of a gift decision. In fact it's the very first fight mentioned on this thread. Mayweather slept walked his way through the fight. Not sure if if I have heard any Mayweather fan claim that he won that fight. Should have been a very clear cut decision for Castillo.

I don't give a damn about what Mayweather fans claim or official judges, or anyone else, while I even had it for Castillo myself after watching it previously, but Mayweather wasn't sleep walking through the fight, as he won the early rounds very convincingly and did a bit in the later rounds. It was a close fight.

[DrDuke]

Wasn't Mills Lanes fault for the point deduction it was the stupid WBC rules that penalized the uncut fighter.

Oh, I see.

[DrDuke]

Oscar De La Hoya vs Ike Quartey

1: De La Hoya 10-9
2: Quartey 10-9
3: De La Hoya 10-9
4: De La Hoya 10-9
5: Quartey 10-9
6: Quartey 10-9 (both down)
7: Quartey 10-9
8: Quartey 10-9
9: 10-10
10: De La Hoya 10-9
11: 10-10
12: De La Hoya 10-8 (Quartey down)

Total score: De La Hoya 115-114

An excellent fight and a very tough one to score. A lot of rounds were close. Oscar looked a bit more busy early, while Ike's punches were looking harder. De La Hoya was wary. Ike finally took over in the middle of the fight. Oscar came back later and took the final round very convincingly. It seemed like overall Quartey managed to hurt De La Hoya more, but Oscar still edged the fight.

[DrDuke]

Oscar De La Hoya vs Felix Trinidad

1: De La Hoya 10-9
2: De La Hoya 10-9
3: De La Hoya 10-9
4: Trinidad 10-9
5: De La Hoya 10-9
6: De La Hoya 10-9
7: De La Hoya 10-9
8: De La Hoya 10-9
9: De La Hoya 10-9
10: Trinidad 10-9
11: Trinidad 10-9
12: Trinidad 10-9

Total score: De La Hoya 116-112

A pretty awful robbery. De La Hoya controlled the vast majority of rounds with great movement and combinations, but he decided to blow the last three rounds and just run away there, cause he was sure, that he was winning. And he was right, he just didn't know, that the judges was robbing him that night.

[Ambling Alp II]

His own trainer told him to do and it cost him.
I had it 115-113 for De La Hoya. However it was a fight where the points are a little deceiving. Almost all of the rounds were easy to score either way. There were any close rounds that I scored for De La Hoya that I could see someone reasonably scoring for Trinidad. i.e. If you give Trinidad every close round, he still only won five rounds. To actually give Trinidad the decision was a robbery (not just a decision that I disagree with), though there certainly have been worse.

[margaret thatcher]

Ya agree, even though Oscar ran like a panty wearing b!tch late, he had done well enough before that , so that he should've been able to still get the win dropping those rounds. Kinda like he earned some running, know what I'm saying.

[scartissue]

My score

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 4: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 5: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 6: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 7: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 8: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 9: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 10: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 11: 10-9 Trinidad
Round 12: 10-9 Trinidad

Total: 116-114 DeLaHoya

[Seamus]

Live I scored it 115-114 for Trinidad. Watched it again and had it 114-114. Never ever saw it as a bad decision, and I'm glad the guy who wanted it more got the decision.

[DrDuke]

De La Hoya-Mosley Dilogy

#1
1: Mosley 10-9
2: De La Hoya 10-9
3: De La Hoya 10-9
4: 10-10
5: De La Hoya 10-9
6: De La Hoya 10-9
7: 10-10
8: Mosley 10-9
9: Mosley 10-9
10: Mosley 10-9
11: 10-10
12: Mosley 10-9
Total: Mosley 116-115

An action packed, intense, close and extremely entertaining fight. Mosley edged it. Overall, Oscar was better in the first half of the fight, Mosley in the second one, thus Mosley took over and finished strong. Some rounds were very close, I scored them even. Mosley was landing the biggest shots, it was his fight with a minimal edge.

#2
1: De La Hoya 10-9
2: De La Hoya 10-9
3: De La Hoya 10-9
4: De La Hoya 10-9
5: De La Hoya 10-9
6: De La Hoya 10-9
7: De La Hoya 10-9
8: De La Hoya 10-9
9: Mosley 10-9
10: De La Hoya 10-9
11: Mosley 10-9
12: De La Hoya 10-9
Total: De La Hoya 118-110

A big robbery. Both already were past it, while Mosley was more declined. The fight itself wasn't that intense, especially in comparison to the first one. Oscar was controlling the bout since the start, methodically taking round after round. Mosley was totally lethargic until the final rounds. Mosley blew the vast majority of the fight and he knew it, his corner knew it, everybody knew it, except the judges. Mosley took a couple of rounds later in the bout, but that just couldn't be enough.

[scartissue]

De La Hoya-Mosley Dilogy

#1
1: Mosley 10-9
2: De La Hoya 10-9
3: De La Hoya 10-9
4: 10-10
5: De La Hoya 10-9
6: De La Hoya 10-9
7: 10-10
8: Mosley 10-9
9: Mosley 10-9
10: Mosley 10-9
11: 10-10
12: Mosley 10-9
Total: Mosley 116-115

An action packed, intense, close and extremely entertaining fight. Mosley edged it. Overall, Oscar was better in the first half of the fight, Mosley in the second one, thus Mosley took over and finished strong. Some rounds were very close, I scored them even. Mosley was landing the biggest shots, it was his fight with a minimal edge.

#2
1: De La Hoya 10-9
2: De La Hoya 10-9
3: De La Hoya 10-9
4: De La Hoya 10-9
5: De La Hoya 10-9
6: De La Hoya 10-9
7: De La Hoya 10-9
8: De La Hoya 10-9
9: Mosley 10-9
10: De La Hoya 10-9
11: Mosley 10-9
12: De La Hoya 10-9
Total: De La Hoya 118-110

A big robbery. Both already were past it, while Mosley was more declined. The fight itself wasn't that intense, especially in comparison to the first one. Oscar was controlling the bout since the start, methodically taking round after round. Mosley was totally lethargic until the final rounds. Mosley blew the vast majority of the fight and he knew it, his corner knew it, everybody knew it, except the judges. Mosley took a couple of rounds later in the bout, but that just couldn't be enough.

I recall when I first saw these fights that I agreed with the first fight but that I felt Oscar deserved the second one. I didn't have the second one quite as wide as yours but agree that Oscar was robbed. Here is how I had it.

ODLH v Mosley II

Round 1: 10-9 Oscar
Round 2: 10-9 Oscar
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Oscar
Round 5: 10-9 Oscar
Round 6: 10-9 Oscar
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Mosley
Round 9: 10-9 Mosley
Round 10: 10-9 Oscar
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Mosley

Total: 117-114 DeLaHoya

[Ambling Alp II]

De La Hoya actually performed better in the first fight. However Mosley was brilliant in that one. That was a great fight. The rematch wasn't nearly as good of a fight, but De La Hoya did enough to deserve it.

[scartissue]

Just caught a real bug watching Zora Folley the other day against George Chuvalo. Started looking for any other fights of his and landed on his 10 rounder with Oscar Bonavena, Again, what a technician and tactician Folley was. So conservative with his shots but would spear Oscar throughout with that stabbing jab and then nail Oscar with the sneakiest of rights, while avoiding many bull-rushes. He dropped Oscar hard in the 8th and nearly did the same at the end of the 4th. I only gave Oscar the 3rd round and a share of the 4th. I scored that round even because Oscar was having a bit of success most of the round and it was only the last punch that hurt Oscar. A true gentleman that Folley. He caught Oscar who may have gone down, and helped him to his corner. I had it 8-1-1 for Zora. I believe official scores were 9-1, 9-1 and 10-0 for Folley. Again, just a brilliant fighter to watch. BTW, unfortunately there was no sound on the film I viewed in case you're gearing up for this. I don't mind listening to Dunphy, but I do like to hear the thud of those gloves, which was unfortunately missing.

[DrDuke]

Felix Sturm vs Oscar De La Hoya

1: De La Hoya 10-9
2: Sturm 10-9
3: Sturm 10-9
4: De La Hoya 10-9
5: Sturm 10-9
6: Sturm 10-9
7: Sturm 10-9
8: Sturm 10-9
9: Sturm 10-9
10: De La Hoya 10-9
11: Sturm 10-9
12: Sturm 10-9

Total: Sturm 117-111

A big robbery in a build up to Hopkins-De La Hoya showdown. De La Hoya tried to press forward and threw more than Sturm, but he just wasn't able to deal with Sturm's traditional German high guard. Oscar tried some good combinations and worked hard downstairs, yet nothing seemed to bother Sturm. Felix outjabbed De La Hoya and he was scoring well with occasional right hands, left hooks, uppercuts. Sturm was clearly outlandong Oscar. After the fight everyone knew including De La Hoya himself, that Sturm had won.

[Woldemar]

Felix Sturm vs Oscar De La Hoya

1: De La Hoya 10-9
2: Sturm 10-9
3: Sturm 10-9
4: De La Hoya 10-9
5: Sturm 10-9
6: Sturm 10-9
7: Sturm 10-9
8: Sturm 10-9
9: Sturm 10-9
10: De La Hoya 10-9
11: Sturm 10-9
12: Sturm 10-9

Total: Sturm 117-111

A big robbery in a build up to Hopkins-De La Hoya showdown. De La Hoya tried to press forward and threw more than Sturm, but he just wasn't able to deal with Sturm's traditional German high guard. Oscar tried some good combinations and worked hard downstairs, yet nothing seemed to bother Sturm. Felix outjabbed De La Hoya and he was scoring well with occasional right hands, left hooks, uppercuts. Sturm was clearly outlandong Oscar. After the fight everyone knew including De La Hoya himself, that Sturm had won.

Best fight Sturm what i watched.

[scartissue]

I was looking for another slam-bang affair to watch and decided upon the first bout between Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas. Strangely enough, I found no history on this thread on this fight, so it's well worth checking out. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Mosley
Round 3: 10-9 Mosley
Round 4: 10-9 Vargas
Round 5: 10-9 Vargas
Round 6: 10-9 Mosley
Round 7: 10-9 Vargas
Round 8: 10-9 Mosley
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: Referee stops contest due to excessive swelling on Vargas' left eye.

Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-86 Mosley (official scores: 86-85 twice for Mosley and 86-85 for Vargas)

I was never a big Vargas fan but I was very impressed with his bodywork during this fight. If not for the closed eye I think this fight would have gone down to the wire as they were both in it.

[DrDuke]

I was looking for another slam-bang affair to watch and decided upon the first bout between Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas. Strangely enough, I found no history on this thread on this fight, so it's well worth checking out. Here we go.

As far as I remember the fight, Mosley was looking better, but it wasn't much entertaining.

[scartissue]

Danny Lopez v Mike Ayala

Wow, can't believe we have no history on this fight. This really needs to be looked at. Fight of the year back in the day and it is worthy of it. A note to all though when watching it. The San Antonio crowd screams at anything Mike Ayala throws, so don't be swayed. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Lopez
Round 2: 10-9 Ayala
Round 3: 10-9 Lopez
Round 4: 10-9 Ayala
Round 5: 10-9 Ayala
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
Round 7: 10-8 Lopez (scores a knockdown)
Round 8: 10-9 Ayala
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Lopez
Round 11: 10-8 Lopez (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: 10-9 Lopez
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-9 Lopez
Round 15: Lopez KOs Ayala

Total (through 14 completed rounds): 136-130 Lopez (actual scores: 135-132 and 135-129 both for Lopez and an amazing 134-131 for Ayala)

Where to begin? First of all, again I say, Carlos Padilla was the worst referee I've ever seen. Never understood how he could keep drawing the plum assignments. He always had the look of utter confusion on his face. And it was no different here. His 11th round screwup cost Lopez an earlier evening than he got. He counts Ayala out and stops the fight and then, instead of holding his ground he gets into a discussion with the timekeeper and he restarts the fight. But hold on a minute, that was actually the second screwup. In round 7 when Lopez drops Ayala, I happened to think to myself (after years of watching these tussles) 'that seemed like a long count'. So I rewound to the knockdown and counted it off. Yep, he was down for 12 seconds. Hey, where was his buddy the timekeeper now?. The two of them were probably scared senseless with the very vocal San Antonio crowd. Anyways, his pathetic officiating didn't detract from what was an outstanding fight.

[DrDuke]

Jose Luis Ramirez vs Pernell Whitaker I

1: Whitaker 10-9
2: Whitaker 10-9
3: Whitaker 10-9
4: Whitaker 10-9
5: Whitaker 10-9
6: Ramirez 10-9
7: Ramirez 10-9
8: Ramirez 10-9
9: Whitaker 10-9
10: Ramirez 10-9
11: Whitaker 10-9
12: Whitaker 10-9

Total score: Whitaker 116-112

A pretty big robbery. Whitaker started very good, he was circling around Ramirez and outboxing him. In the middle of the fight, Whitaker slowed down, Ramirez started to have his moments, but eventually Whitaker was still making Ramirez miss a lot, while he was outscoring Ramirez. Whitaker finished stronger.