Frank Bruno vs Vitali Klitschko

[DrDuke]

We've had a interesting topic about Bruno vs Wlad, here it is: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=241830

Now it's time to make a one about Frank taking on Wlad's brother.

Bruno vs Vitali, 12 rounds.

So, I gotta favor Vitali here. Bruno wouldn't be able to deal with annoying jabs and one-twos from Klitschko. He wouldn't overpower bigger Vitali inside either. Vitali wasn't a helluva puncher, so he wouldn't knock out cold even Bruno, whose chin wasn't close to be granite, but Vitali could maul Bruno down to TKO or RTD. Either Vitali by decision, 117-111 or 116-112, or by a stoppage around the 10th round.

What are your thoughts on this matchup?

[Fray Bentos]

Vitali is all wrong for Bruno, Bruno would get stopped early. Bruno would have a good chance at an earlier version of Wlad but he is the longshot against both of them in their prime. I don't see how he beats Vitali. He would get badly beaten up in around five rounds.

[Bodyshot3]

I did the whole Bruno v Wlad thread and plumped for Bruno upsetting the odds/form book.

But I'd go for Vitali in this one.... he always looked more solid/robust than his younger brother and just seemed to have a bit more brute strength and devil too, which is dead useful against Bruno who like to maul and shove guys back.

Vitali could have taken an early Bruno bomb or two with his far better chin and was better equipped to deal with any rough moments when Bruno was on the front foot as well.

I think my prediction boils down to the fact that I have always felt Vitali was the better brother "in the round" anyway and would not be potentially jumped by some early Bruno artillery.

[Noxy]

Aye, it would have to be Vitali.

[Woldemar]

Bad fight for Bruno.Vitali by wide UD or late TKO.

[margaret thatcher]

Don't underestimate that Frank had a pretty good ramrod jab, and was very strong. He would at a minimum bust that face up.

Agree that Vit's extra toughness gives him better odds than his brother though, I think Bruno would give them both hard times and Vit is more likely than little bro to stay up and fight his way back.

Could be a bit of a lesser version of Lewis-Klit, maybe this one Vit actually wins

[Ambling Alp II]

Another mythical win for Vitali against an opponent that was much better than anyone he ever beat in real life. How does he do it?

[margaret thatcher]

How does he score mythical wins in the mythical fights section?

Fights aren't won on resumes of course, you've used the eye test yourself here before, so what would go down Alpy

Where would prime Vit rank on Bruno's list of wins btw? maybe 12th lol?

[Onetimeonly]

Tough one, gut says vitali by decision with a late rally. I don't see him stopping Frank, he didn't bang like Tyson, bonecrusher, Lewis or spoon. Late tko is possible.

[Ambling Alp II]

How does he score mythical wins in the mythical fights section?

Fights aren't won on resumes of course, you've used the eye test yourself here before, so what would go down Alpy

Where would prime Vit rank on Bruno's list of wins btw? maybe 12th lol?

You're right about the eye test. It has to count for something. How about the Byrd fight, his second biggest fight of his career. He really showed that "extra toughness" you mentioned earlier.

[margaret thatcher]

Lol you don't think he was tougher than his bro?

And stop being such a negative nancy, you ask people to explain how the result would come (people have) and always get in a huff when people pick a klit,, but then don't even bother to explain a pick of your own lol. . What actually goes down in the ring , with these 2 particular fighters and their styles and strengths?


I'm still curious too though, where would you rank a win over prime Vitali on Bruno's record?

[DrDuke]

It's pointless to argue with Alpy. He's biased in many questions and he will never step aside from his position. Klitschkos for him are like a red rag for a bull. It always was like that, here's another example of it, it will always be like that. Probably Vitali raped his dog, while Wlad was watching over for nobody to interfere.

[margaret thatcher]

Ya, dude gets triggered hard by Klits doesnt he, nothing else gets him talking like they do. I think he secretly loves them though, he can never let them go. In his dreams Jack is hugging him on one side, and Wlad's got him on the other

[Ambling Alp II]

Did it ever occur to you that some people are a little obsessed with them? They are constantly in these mythical matchups and get picked often to win against fighters that are much better than any one they beat in real life.

If you actually go back and look at the all the Klitschko threads, you would be surprised how many I never commented on.
Really loved the comment about Vitali toughness; that was comedy gold.

[margaret thatcher]

Lol, dude asks that others explain their pick and still can't provide any explanation or answer the questions himself, typical alp, just here to moan

I think you're more obsessed with them than anyone here bruh, someone mentions the name and you go on high alert lol. There is no one forcing you to post anything about them btw bruh, if you don't want to you don't have to, but of course we know you love them. Pretty sure they are your most discussed fighters in this section !

So is Vitali not a tougher, more durable fighter than his bro? Or have I got it mixed up that Vitali's the guy whose been down 0 times instead of 15? And that he's been hurt and stopped less, including against common opponents? Again, can't even muster an answer

[Ambling Alp II]

Going with Bruno. Vitali had a better chin than his brother; almost everyone worth mentioning did. Having a a better chin doesn't mean you are tougher. Watching him quit against Byrd was major quit jobs. all he had to do was stand there for three rounds. Hard swallowing the toughness compliment after watching that fight.

[margaret thatcher]

He was definitely tougher than his bro, never down in almost 50 fights, hurt way less, stopped less, stood up way better vs most of their common opponents. He was far more suited to fight without crumpling like his bro was, its pretty obvious everywhere except bizarro alpy world.

Sure, if his rotator becomes torn again, then sh!t might quit, but it only happened once in his career, and vs someone totally unlike Bruno, so I wouldn't count on it. He took his beating vs Lenn and stood up and kept fighting when he was taking huge shots and his face was basically a gaping vagina. His toughness for taking shots was good, that's the type of toughness he'd prob face vs Bruno

Or do we assume that prime Vitali, at his best, has a torn shoulder lol

[DrDuke]

To say, that Vitali wasn't tough because of a one single quit, is utterly stupid. It equals to saying, that Duran wasn't tough because of his quit vs Leonard. Or that Morales wasn't tough because of his quit vs Pac.

[Noxy]

People did say that about him pre-Lennox though. He didn’t get the W in that fight but it certainly didn’t hurt his reputation, more the opposite.

[Ambling Alp II]

What % of fighters would have quit against Lennox Lewis in that situation? It can't be that high.

What % would of fighters would have quit against Byrd in that situation? 5% 10%?

It's not like Klitschko had a career with many tough fights against really good competition. It's not like he had to reach back for something extra to pull out a win. So all you really have is one fight in his entire career where he could have quit and guess what? He did.

Other fights have quit in hopeless situations; that is a different story. Or they quit once, but made up for it by proving their toughness in several other fights.

Quitting in a situation like that has to count against you. Duran certainly should get criticized for quitting against Leonard though for a different reason; that was more out of frustration than toughness.

[margaret thatcher]

I imagine that quite a few would quit with one of the most badly cut faces ever, and taking big shots from an excellent puncher. just this weekend a guy in a title fight vs a c level fringe contender basically quit with way less than that, retirements happen all the time with way less

I would not count on the dude, especially going by these fighters at their very best, getting the torn rotator cuff again, that is something that involves a major component of (bad) luck and it happened once in 47 fights, vs a guy nothing like Bruno (a guy who would make opponents extend and miss far more).

Vitali tooks shots in other fights too that were harder than anything he took vs Byrd and he got marked up, he was fine eating punches and bleeding, he's far more likely to need that toughness vs Bruno than to need resolve when faced with a torn rotator cuff. of course he was way tougher than his brother, as i said, 0 knockdowns vs 15, stopped less, hurt way less, more durable showings vs common opponents. what a bizarre point to take issue with

[Ambling Alp II]

He had 47 fights but was not tested often. It's not a coincidence that he was tested in the only two fights he had against top-level competition. Going a bit against Lewis with a cut doesn't prove much. You are grasping at straws if you think that was a big deal.
People were incredulous when he quit against Byrd. This wasn't the first round. He just had three rounds to go. He simply wasn't tough enough.
Frank Bruno was no legend but he had some ability. Klitschko would have been hit a lot and hit hard. Good chance that he would get cut or get hurt. He would be in for a tough fight. There is little indication that he would pass the test.

You clearly don't understand the difference between a chin and toughness. They are two different things. Floyd Patterson, and Thomas Hearns for example, did not have great chins, but they were tough.

[margaret thatcher]

There are different types of toughness, so it depends what type you are talking about. He obviously was physically tough, and though he did quit from the torn rotator cuff he fought through a horrifically damaged face and huge shots in another fight, when fighters quit all the time under much less. You just seem to reduce every fight with him to the byrd fight

Do you actually think he is tearing his cuff in this fight, that he quits with the same injury? And when we are taking both at their best? Eating punches and fighting through blood wasnt a problem for him and never made him quit, crumble, take a knee, or be very badly hurt etc, he had the toughness for that, far far more than his bro, and more than most

Specifically, how would this lack of toughness you see with the shoulder injury actually play out in a loss vs Bruno?

[oogiebe]

To be fair, I thought his corner stopped the byrd fight saying that vit's long term health was more important than that particular fight. I know he had surgery right after the fight.

[Noxy]

Vitali didn’t quit against Lewis. He was pulled out and was livid about it.