Boxrec pressure on Mexican Boxing Promoters ??

[John]

Yes, Rosarito does not exist as far as we are concerned, please advise US boxers not to go there

[margaret thatcher]

Has BoxRec ever looked into whether William Bezerra (41-0. 40 kos) has a sham record

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/536325


Even the amateur career in his bio seems very shady, claims 96-2 and yet going by his bio never even competed in a national tournament (maybe because that might have traceable results?). I am also pretty sure the 'international golden gloves' tournament in French Guinea, the one down as lasting for 2 months, is completely made up and don't exist


I guess only so much can be caught, but this guy seems like an extreme case

[punchy1]

John, are you serious ?
Is it the commissioner/ commission ? Would a change help In that regard ?
Just Rosarito ? How about Tijuana proper ?

Any answer about American vs Mexican fights not being recorded , but Mexican vs Mexican being allowed ?

Just looking for answers.

John I consider you a friendly and honorable man,

Hard to believe the allegations and rumors I have heard that Martha, the owner of boxrec’s wife would do this and control her husband and by extension, boxing thus as a social justice warrior. Allegedly.

This is highly irregular. When Gatti had a sham weigh in and almost killed Gamache it still stands on boxrec.... seldon vs Tyson , Mercer trying to bribe a guy midfight... wow.

Welcome to 2020. Very Trump like move if this is real

[John]

We are simply not prepared to be a party to fraud. We have had far too many reports about what is happening there and even the Tijuana commission openly acknowledged it to us. I will not endanger the reputation of BoxRec by including anything from the Rosarito fraud factory.

[Onetimeonly]

Hank Armstrong gave up more weight in title fights than gamache, ask Joey if that was a sham. I'm no boxrec shill, but do you really think those are like situations?

[punchy1]

John,
Rosarito the same as Tijuana or no ?

The question remains unanswered, sir. I’ve asked three times at least now.—-
Will American vs American fights be recorded ?
Will Mexican vs American fights be recorded ?
Will Mexican vs Mexican fights be recorded ?

Please answer.

Also, hank Armstrong agreed to those weight differences, Joey did not. And In this day of IV rehydration and other methods, this is a big difference ! The fact that Joey got injured so badly illustrates that perfectly. The fact that Gatti never weighed In Successfully and it was proven in court also speaks to that. Cheating is cheating -
This bout is still logged I believe. And the NY Commission was the worst of all time.
Read Thomas Hausers articles on the FBI probe, the firing of Peteillo and Lathan. Bribes, etc. yet we still count fights from NY don’t we ...

[oogiebe]

Can someone move this thread to records and querys please. Or better yet...it seems that BoxRec has responded and this needs to end.

[margaret thatcher]

Can someone move this thread to records and querys please. Or better yet...it seems that BoxRec has responded and this needs to end.

dont be an eo bruh

[oogiebe]

Can someone move this thread to records and querys please. Or better yet...it seems that BoxRec has responded and this needs to end.

dont be an eo bruh

I didn't hit the character quotiant to be EO'esque.

[margaret thatcher]

True, you didn't use 5 paragraphs to say what you did in 2 sentences

Ah, but I kid eo, we love you man

[punchy1]

What is an “eo” ?
LOL

Yeah sorry oogiebe, questions were not answered yet. Read my last post. Lot of Mexicans depend on that money to eat, literally. Good someone is looking out for them and keeping them from fighting what may or may not be a fixed fight, so they can tell their starving kids that there isn’t food, but daddy won’t have to take a loss possibly anymore. What a joke. Why doesn’t Martha put her money where her mouth is and send some $$$ to these poor abused people ??? No that’s a question !

Sorry to clutter this up with one post of inside information about real boxing and boxing politics / business / social justice fails.

Back to endless posts about fantasy matchups (Floyd Mayweather vs Rocky Marciano at 175) and other such casual fan drivel.

Back to your regularly scheduled nonsense :
Oscar’s comeback vs Foreman’s comeback at 190 in a time machine driven by Sonny Liston and two alien lesbians ?

[TheBeast]

I doubt it applies to all Tijuana as i see regular upsets there, like tonight for example and i think it was vs an american HW... let me confirm first... And those Rosarito shows are real... some real pain is happening and fighters challenged... watched ALL those shows and they are real... Some are terribly mismatched... lots of 1st round stoppages... But the fights are real...

[margaret thatcher]

which hw fight was that?

[Puncher7]

I have heard a disturbing rumor /allegations concerning boxrec. I wonder if anyone can provide information / insight.
Apparently and allegedly according to sources, boxrec has allegedly put pressure on certain promoters /commissions in Mexico and will allegedly not record the bouts on their shows as being legitimate. Apparently, according to sources, this was done because allegedly someone close to the owner of boxrec did not like the idea of "yanks" (Americans) beating Mexican fighters on shows that are close to the border. So now, allegedly there is a limit on the number of Americans that can participate on each show, the rest of the bouts will feature Mexican fighters vs Mexican fighters.

IF this is true, this is what this means:

Americans (and Canadians / and others) will stop going to Mexico to either or build, stay busy, or resurrect their careers.
The money for slot fees paid to a promoter will dry up. The welcome and exorbitant (by Mexican standards) purses paid to the Mexican opponents by Americans will cease. Of course the promoters, trainers, etc all take a piece of these purses, same as elsewhere. Boxing will dry up in Mexico, as the American money enabled the promoters to turn a profit and funded the cards they have. American boxers, trainers, etc., will stop going to these border towns and tourism money, spent at restaurants, hotels, etc, will go to zero. Even Mexican boxers fighting other Mexicans will find it much harder to find work in the ring, and will, if they can, not be paid nearly as much as they once were. These opponent types, same as everywhere else in the world, need these fights and the money they bring to feed their families, pay bills, rent, etc, , especially in a economically depressed country like Mexico.

Mexican fighters will either not fight, or fight other Mexicans for a fraction of the money they were accustomed to. There will be more injuries as each fight will be a war, as no one can afford to lose and take time off, as they previously have, because with reduced amount of the purses, they will have to fight much more often.

Overall, this hurts a necessary and historically welcome economic aspect of the sport. Understanding that prize-fighting was started to help people to eat, feed their families, etc.. must be recognized.

I understand that it may be a well intended move to either restore pride to many of the Mexican fighters, or to stop 'record padding" by rich Yankees. However, the pride of the Mexican people is unquestioned. Putting food on the table is not. As far as "record padding" goes, this has existed since boxing, and is necessary, or all fighters evenly matched all the time would see everyone with a .500 record.

Again, I do not know the veracity of these allegations, but IF they are accurate or somewhat accurate, I would caution whoever is the prime mover for these actions to study the culture and economics of this area in boxing before coming down with any edicts, and hopefully rescind these threats/ polices.

This is highly unusual for a record keeper to be so involved in the sport and insert themselves in a situation under the mistaken guise of moral superiority In Europe it is done with fighters from Hungry, former eastern European countries.

Threatening to not record bouts because of disagreeing with how promoters are doing business is a very slippery slope and not your place

I see what you are saying, Im not sure it's boxrec's place to not record bouts that happen if this is true. But the whole idea of "buying" opponents and padding records is part of the reason boxing sucks. Just because it's been done for years does not mean there is nothing wrong with it. It's the only sport where the team and backers of one participant pays the other team/participant. That in itself makes the sport sound corrupt and fixed to outsiders.

How about local fighters fighting local fighters who both generate crowds and have evenly matched fights that people are actually interested in watching and will show up for? Also how about local promoters actually get out there and promote their bouts rather than rely on paid bouts? Far-fetched and unlikely I know but it would definitely make me more interested in the sport if I showed up at a fight and didnt know which fighter from which corner was going to win every fight without even looking at the bout lineup before the fights started.

[TheBeast]

which hw fight was that?

Christian Hill turning pro... terrific specimen physically... former footballer in Arizona... but got hit flush throughout the fight vs a fat but experienced Mx HW.

It the rule applies to whole Tijuana, then this is another exception...

Rosarito... no upsets that i can recall so far..

[margaret thatcher]

[oogiebe]

which hw fight was that?

Christian Hill turning pro... terrific specimen physically... former footballer in Arizona... but got hit flush throughout the fight vs a fat but experienced Mx HW.

It the rule applies to whole Tijuana, then this is another exception...

Rosarito... no upsets that i can recall so far..

Gad! Not another ex-footballer.

[TheBeast]

[margaret thatcher]

As we've learned, don't underestimate short fat Mexican dudes

[Onetimeonly]

I have heard a disturbing rumor /allegations concerning boxrec. I wonder if anyone can provide information / insight.
Apparently and allegedly according to sources, boxrec has allegedly put pressure on certain promoters /commissions in Mexico and will allegedly not record the bouts on their shows as being legitimate. Apparently, according to sources, this was done because allegedly someone close to the owner of boxrec did not like the idea of "yanks" (Americans) beating Mexican fighters on shows that are close to the border. So now, allegedly there is a limit on the number of Americans that can participate on each show, the rest of the bouts will feature Mexican fighters vs Mexican fighters.

IF this is true, this is what this means:

Americans (and Canadians / and others) will stop going to Mexico to either or build, stay busy, or resurrect their careers.
The money for slot fees paid to a promoter will dry up. The welcome and exorbitant (by Mexican standards) purses paid to the Mexican opponents by Americans will cease. Of course the promoters, trainers, etc all take a piece of these purses, same as elsewhere. Boxing will dry up in Mexico, as the American money enabled the promoters to turn a profit and funded the cards they have. American boxers, trainers, etc., will stop going to these border towns and tourism money, spent at restaurants, hotels, etc, will go to zero. Even Mexican boxers fighting other Mexicans will find it much harder to find work in the ring, and will, if they can, not be paid nearly as much as they once were. These opponent types, same as everywhere else in the world, need these fights and the money they bring to feed their families, pay bills, rent, etc, , especially in a economically depressed country like Mexico.

Mexican fighters will either not fight, or fight other Mexicans for a fraction of the money they were accustomed to. There will be more injuries as each fight will be a war, as no one can afford to lose and take time off, as they previously have, because with reduced amount of the purses, they will have to fight much more often.

Overall, this hurts a necessary and historically welcome economic aspect of the sport. Understanding that prize-fighting was started to help people to eat, feed their families, etc.. must be recognized.

I understand that it may be a well intended move to either restore pride to many of the Mexican fighters, or to stop 'record padding" by rich Yankees. However, the pride of the Mexican people is unquestioned. Putting food on the table is not. As far as "record padding" goes, this has existed since boxing, and is necessary, or all fighters evenly matched all the time would see everyone with a .500 record.

Again, I do not know the veracity of these allegations, but IF they are accurate or somewhat accurate, I would caution whoever is the prime mover for these actions to study the culture and economics of this area in boxing before coming down with any edicts, and hopefully rescind these threats/ polices.

This is highly unusual for a record keeper to be so involved in the sport and insert themselves in a situation under the mistaken guise of moral superiority In Europe it is done with fighters from Hungry, former eastern European countries.

Threatening to not record bouts because of disagreeing with how promoters are doing business is a very slippery slope and not your place

I see what you are saying, Im not sure it's boxrec's place to not record bouts that happen if this is true. But the whole idea of "buying" opponents and padding records is part of the reason boxing sucks. Just because it's been done for years does not mean there is nothing wrong with it. It's the only sport where the team and backers of one participant pays the other team/participant. That in itself makes the sport sound corrupt and fixed to outsiders.

How about local fighters fighting local fighters who both generate crowds and have evenly matched fights that people are actually interested in watching and will show up for? Also how about local promoters actually get out there and promote their bouts rather than rely on paid bouts? Far-fetched and unlikely I know but it would definitely make me more interested in the sport if I showed up at a fight and didnt know which fighter from which corner was going to win every fight without even looking at the bout lineup before the fights started.

I love the site but suggesting that boxrec not recording results would have any bearing on the fights taking place is laughable.

[Puncher7]

I have heard a disturbing rumor /allegations concerning boxrec. I wonder if anyone can provide information / insight.
Apparently and allegedly according to sources, boxrec has allegedly put pressure on certain promoters /commissions in Mexico and will allegedly not record the bouts on their shows as being legitimate. Apparently, according to sources, this was done because allegedly someone close to the owner of boxrec did not like the idea of "yanks" (Americans) beating Mexican fighters on shows that are close to the border. So now, allegedly there is a limit on the number of Americans that can participate on each show, the rest of the bouts will feature Mexican fighters vs Mexican fighters.

IF this is true, this is what this means:

Americans (and Canadians / and others) will stop going to Mexico to either or build, stay busy, or resurrect their careers.
The money for slot fees paid to a promoter will dry up. The welcome and exorbitant (by Mexican standards) purses paid to the Mexican opponents by Americans will cease. Of course the promoters, trainers, etc all take a piece of these purses, same as elsewhere. Boxing will dry up in Mexico, as the American money enabled the promoters to turn a profit and funded the cards they have. American boxers, trainers, etc., will stop going to these border towns and tourism money, spent at restaurants, hotels, etc, will go to zero. Even Mexican boxers fighting other Mexicans will find it much harder to find work in the ring, and will, if they can, not be paid nearly as much as they once were. These opponent types, same as everywhere else in the world, need these fights and the money they bring to feed their families, pay bills, rent, etc, , especially in a economically depressed country like Mexico.

Mexican fighters will either not fight, or fight other Mexicans for a fraction of the money they were accustomed to. There will be more injuries as each fight will be a war, as no one can afford to lose and take time off, as they previously have, because with reduced amount of the purses, they will have to fight much more often.

Overall, this hurts a necessary and historically welcome economic aspect of the sport. Understanding that prize-fighting was started to help people to eat, feed their families, etc.. must be recognized.

I understand that it may be a well intended move to either restore pride to many of the Mexican fighters, or to stop 'record padding" by rich Yankees. However, the pride of the Mexican people is unquestioned. Putting food on the table is not. As far as "record padding" goes, this has existed since boxing, and is necessary, or all fighters evenly matched all the time would see everyone with a .500 record.

Again, I do not know the veracity of these allegations, but IF they are accurate or somewhat accurate, I would caution whoever is the prime mover for these actions to study the culture and economics of this area in boxing before coming down with any edicts, and hopefully rescind these threats/ polices.

This is highly unusual for a record keeper to be so involved in the sport and insert themselves in a situation under the mistaken guise of moral superiority In Europe it is done with fighters from Hungry, former eastern European countries.

Threatening to not record bouts because of disagreeing with how promoters are doing business is a very slippery slope and not your place

I see what you are saying, Im not sure it's boxrec's place to not record bouts that happen if this is true. But the whole idea of "buying" opponents and padding records is part of the reason boxing sucks. Just because it's been done for years does not mean there is nothing wrong with it. It's the only sport where the team and backers of one participant pays the other team/participant. That in itself makes the sport sound corrupt and fixed to outsiders.

How about local fighters fighting local fighters who both generate crowds and have evenly matched fights that people are actually interested in watching and will show up for? Also how about local promoters actually get out there and promote their bouts rather than rely on paid bouts? Far-fetched and unlikely I know but it would definitely make me more interested in the sport if I showed up at a fight and didnt know which fighter from which corner was going to win every fight without even looking at the bout lineup before the fights started.

I love the site but suggesting that boxrec not recording results would have any bearing on the fights taking place is laughable.

I'm pretty sure theres some fraudulent stuff going on down there for sure. Would not surprise me at all. Hell i could tell you fraudulent stuff thats happened here in the US. So, I don't care one way or the other. But I'm pretty sure less managers and american fighters would buy fights if they knew their W wouldn't be recorded on boxrec.

[margaret thatcher]

Lots of fighters and managers complain in the records section about how stuff is listed, not recorded, or how the guys rankings is too low in their opinion. I've seen some threaten legal action. Dudes obviously care to some extent about boxrec and it is the quick go to place to show people your record, though not sure if that would stop them from fighting

[Onetimeonly]

I see what you are saying, Im not sure it's boxrec's place to not record bouts that happen if this is true. But the whole idea of "buying" opponents and padding records is part of the reason boxing sucks. Just because it's been done for years does not mean there is nothing wrong with it. It's the only sport where the team and backers of one participant pays the other team/participant. That in itself makes the sport sound corrupt and fixed to outsiders.

How about local fighters fighting local fighters who both generate crowds and have evenly matched fights that people are actually interested in watching and will show up for? Also how about local promoters actually get out there and promote their bouts rather than rely on paid bouts? Far-fetched and unlikely I know but it would definitely make me more interested in the sport if I showed up at a fight and didnt know which fighter from which corner was going to win every fight without even looking at the bout lineup before the fights started.

I love the site but suggesting that boxrec not recording results would have any bearing on the fights taking place is laughable.

I'm pretty sure theres some fraudulent stuff going on down there for sure. Would not surprise me at all. Hell i could tell you fraudulent stuff thats happened here in the US. So, I don't care one way or the other. But I'm pretty sure less managers and american fighters would buy fights if they knew their W wouldn't be recorded on boxrec.

I couldn't imagine one, as long as the check cleared. Obviously they want their up to date record on here, but turn down a payday? No way.Granted, my interactions have been with fairly big fighters. Yes, boxing is a dirty business. Know plenty of stories myself, one of the reasons why the sport is at its least popularity in American history.

[John]

The issue is primarily with Rosarito, Carlos Labastida is trying his best to clean up Baja Cali and we are supporting him.

[Fightnight Scores]

What's this about $15 per result listing??

I'm not having that.....what about all these jobbers who go around places to be beaten? Do they or their "manager" pay up $15 to add another L to their record after each fight?