Canelo Sues DAZN, Golden Boy, De La Hoya

[ldlamb]

EO is right here...there is no contract between Canelo and DAZN.

If it was a principal/agent relationship in negotiating the DAZN contract....the agent (in this case GOlden Boy) has to act at the direction and in the best interest of the principal....Golden Boy clearly doesn’t see it that way...since they have refused to let Canelo and his counsel even see that contract.

In the complaint, Canelo’s lawyers even refer to him as a Third party beneficiary of the DAZN and Golden Boy contract, not a party. He is only in privity with Golden Boy.

That doesn’t mean he can’t make claims against DAZN for causing him damages...he clearly makes those claims in the suit...but the claims against GoLden Boy are far stronger because he can claim that they are in direct breach of a contract they are both parties to.

[margaret thatcher]

You just gave our boi eo a stiffy mate

[Enlightened-One]

ALVAREZ LAWSUIT DISMISSED ON A TECHNICALITY! ALVAREZ GETS UNTIL SEPT. 28TH TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM!

[lazboy]

EO is right here...there is no contract between Canelo and DAZN.

If it was a principal/agent relationship in negotiating the DAZN contract....the agent (in this case GOlden Boy) has to act at the direction and in the best interest of the principal....Golden Boy clearly doesn’t see it that way...since they have refused to let Canelo and his counsel even see that contract.

In the complaint, Canelo’s lawyers even refer to him as a Third party beneficiary of the DAZN and Golden Boy contract, not a party. He is only in privity with Golden Boy.

That doesn’t mean he can’t make claims against DAZN for causing him damages...he clearly makes those claims in the suit...but the claims against GoLden Boy are far stronger because he can claim that they are in direct breach of a contract they are both parties to.

My thoughts are this was tactical - as Canelo is pleading ignorance to the Dazn Contract - he's going after the bigger fish in Golden boy and may not want to be "privy" to the clauses in the Dazn contract.

[Enlightened-One]

EO is right here...there is no contract between Canelo and DAZN.

Thank-you for stating this. It’s impossible to interpret Canelo’s complaint otherwise.

My thoughts are this was tactical - as Canelo is pleading ignorance to the Dazn Contract

Why is it that when somebody else shares the same opinion that I also hold,, you back down and concede their point?

But if I say the very same thing, you resort to personal insults and keep telling me I’m wrong?

[Enlightened-One]

ALVAREZ LAWSUIT DISMISSED ON A TECHNICALITY! ALVAREZ GETS UNTIL SEPT. 28TH TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM!

[margaret thatcher]

what was the issue?

[Enlightened-One]

what was the issue?

The definition of DAZN’s company status.

It’s a trivial tweak to the complaint. And won’t affect anything, apart from delaying the processing of the lawsuit by a few days (at least that’s what several articles I’ve read are suggesting).

Here goes:

“Because the Complaint alleges the citizenship of the LLC defendants as if they were corporations, rather than as limited liability companies, the Complaint has not properly alleged the citizenship of those parties,” noted the honorable Percy Anderson, district judge for the U.S. District Court in the official ruling, a copy of which has been obtained by BS.com. “Absent unusual circumstances, a party seeking to invoke diversity jurisdiction should be able to allege affirmatively the actual citizenship of the relevant parties.

“As a result, Plaintiffs’ allegations are not sufficient to invoke this Court’s diversity jurisdiction.”

“Accordingly, the Court dismisses Plaintiffs’ Complaint for lack of subject matter jurisdiction,” judge Anderson stated in the dismissal. “A district court may, and should, grant leave to amend when it appears that subject matter jurisdiction may exist, even though the complaint inadequately alleges jurisdiction. See 28 U.S.C. § 1653; Trentacosta v. Frontier Pacific Aircraft Industries, Inc., 813 F.2d 1553, 1555 (9th Cir. 1987).

“Therefore, the Court grants Plaintiffs leave to amend the Complaint to establish federal subject matter jurisdiction.
Alvarez now has until September 28 to file a First Amended Complaint. Failure to do so or adequately allege the District Court’s jurisdiction will potentially result in an outright dismissal.

[lazboy]

EO is right here...there is no contract between Canelo and DAZN.

Thank-you for stating this. It’s impossible to interpret Canelo’s complaint otherwise.

My thoughts are this was tactical - as Canelo is pleading ignorance to the Dazn Contract

Why is it that when somebody else shares the same opinion that I also hold,, you back down and concede their point?

But if I say the very same thing, you resort to personal insults and keep telling me I’m wrong?

Ah well I haven’t conceded any point. My position is we only have Canelos claims and he is claiming ignorance. This was a highly publicised contract which was always billed as being between Canelo and Dazn. I find it suspicious that a multi millionaire with such a historic sports contract has not done his due diligence.

I’m interested to hear what the other parties allege; especially Golden boy. If Canelo entrusted him with authority to make a deal on his behalf, on top of being aware of the contract, then he’s merely an agent, albeit with other obligations.

I’m suspicious that there’s certain things that won’t favour Canelo in the contract with Dazn that are not found within his contract with Golden boy.

So basically, I need more info and am not just taking Canelos side.

[lazboy]

Of course it would be pretty foolish if Dazn made a contract with specific provisions relating to Canelo, on top of paying him 300 million plus and he doesn’t even have to follow it.

Aren’t they arguing he has to fight who they want? I’m sure they’ll argue they have a contract with him. And yes, Canelo will argue against it.

[Enlightened-One]

So basically, I need more info and am not just taking Canelos side.

Well put it this way, you initiated our argument and went on the offensive immediately, by repeatedly insulting me… over-and-over again!

And when I asked you to quote any of my inaccurate claims, you couldn’t do it!

It got to the point that other people had to inform you about me being right.

I think you even complained about the way I debate, despite you repeatedly insulting me and pretending that I’m lying or cannot comprehend certain facts, but look at the way you’ve conducted yourself!

People should not be listening to your unqualified nonsense. If you’re really interested in this stuff you should do a law degree.

Dam you slimy shite

… you lack the fundamental understanding of principal and agent, which may be a likely scenario to consider.

It again goes back to the "loudest one in the room" concept; whereby you don't have the substance to back up what you are saying yet you are the most vocal. Instead of trying to impress Boxrec, actually do something and get a qualification so you won't need to pretend.

...you’ve just shown your own ignorance. I’d imagine that’s embarrassing so I don’t blame you for trying to deflect.

It’s funny, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about but you are the most vocal person on these issues. I see you quickly typing concepts into google trying to understand.

...I do hold it against EO who pretends to know what he doesn’t and is very vocal about it. The loudest one in the room is generally the weakest - quote from American Gangster.

God your so dumb to talk to. Typical Google lawyer.

Cut the bs. It’s clearly a complicated issue you just don’t know what you don’t know.

You wrote most of those insults before even bothering to read Canelo’s 24-page complaint. I don’t mind, but I had to provide you with a copy!

And if somebody else agreed with me, you suddenly went silent. You backed down, which suggests you’re just being a troll… only interested about attacking the person, with little interest in real-world factual accuracy!

You lost the debate, but I guess that wasn't your goal. Instead, you just wanted to troll someone and contaminate the forum with nonsense!

[apollo creed]

EO deserves a cookie.

[apollo creed]

EO is right here...there is no contract between Canelo and DAZN.

If it was a principal/agent relationship in negotiating the DAZN contract....the agent (in this case GOlden Boy) has to act at the direction and in the best interest of the principal....Golden Boy clearly doesn’t see it that way...since they have refused to let Canelo and his counsel even see that contract.

In the complaint, Canelo’s lawyers even refer to him as a Third party beneficiary of the DAZN and Golden Boy contract, not a party. He is only in privity with Golden Boy.

That doesn’t mean he can’t make claims against DAZN for causing him damages...he clearly makes those claims in the suit...but the claims against GoLden Boy are far stronger because he can claim that they are in direct breach of a contract they are both parties to.

Canelo vs GBP

[Ruthless-RKO]

This is all fake beef! We’ll see Canelo vs. De La Hoya sometime next year.

This is just setting that up.

[The Gratest]

what was the issue?

A delayed double post by the look of it.

[Onetimeonly]

Of course it would be pretty foolish if Dazn made a contract with specific provisions relating to Canelo, on top of paying him 300 million plus and he doesn’t even have to follow it.

Aren’t they arguing he has to fight who they want? I’m sure they’ll argue they have a contract with him. And yes, Canelo will argue against it.

They're not putting on shit, hoping the virus can bail them out.

[ldlamb]

Of course it would be pretty foolish if Dazn made a contract with specific provisions relating to Canelo, on top of paying him 300 million plus and he doesn’t even have to follow it.

Aren’t they arguing he has to fight who they want? I’m sure they’ll argue they have a contract with him. And yes, Canelo will argue against it.

I’m pretty sure DAZN will actually argue there is NO contract with Canelo in order to blunt the claims he is making in his suit.

And just as a matter of facts....there is no contract between Canelo and DAZN....there is a comprehensive contract between DAZN and GBP that includes payments and stipulations regarding Canelo as GPB is Canelos promoter....and then there is a contract between GBP and Canelo that implements many of the economic stipulations included in the contract between DAZN and GPB.

There are concepts such as reliance and third-party beneficiaries that May allow Canelo to successfully claim damages against DAZN....but there Is definitely NO contract between Canelo and DAZN.

[lazboy]

Of course it would be pretty foolish if Dazn made a contract with specific provisions relating to Canelo, on top of paying him 300 million plus and he doesn’t even have to follow it.

Aren’t they arguing he has to fight who they want? I’m sure they’ll argue they have a contract with him. And yes, Canelo will argue against it.

I’m pretty sure DAZN will actually argue there is NO contract with Canelo in order to blunt the claims he is making in his suit.

And just as a matter of facts....there is no contract between Canelo and DAZN....there is a comprehensive contract between DAZN and GBP that includes payments and stipulations regarding Canelo as GPB is Canelos promoter....and then there is a contract between GBP and Canelo that implements many of the economic stipulations included in the contract between DAZN and GPB.

There are concepts such as reliance and third-party beneficiaries that May allow Canelo to successfully claim damages against DAZN....but there Is definitely NO contract between Canelo and DAZN.

I'll just sum up my understanding so far:

Contract between Dazn and the Golden Boy – Canelo doesn’t have a copy of it. Your confident he’s not a party to it. (This is where I put my agency argument – if I’m wrong, I’m wrong)

But there is an agreement between Golden Boy and Alvarez – apparently Dazn are not a party to it.

Canelo also signed a Deed acknowledging that Golden Boy had contracted his next 11 bought to be broadcast by Dazn. But they’re saying that it’s just an acknowledgement and doesn’t create any relationship between Dazn and Canelo.

So Dazn are expected to spend 365 million just to broadcast Canelo fights yet the reality is they don’t have any control over his opponents. Ultimately Alvarez has the final say on opponents.

Yet Dazn claim they had an agreement with Golden Boy as to opponents, but this doesn’t flow through to Canelo, whom has the final say and doesn’t answer to Dazn.

This sounds like a disaster and I’m shocked that this wasn’t ironed out given how much money was at stake.
I’m still wanting more information – we obviously haven’t heard from the other parties or seen the Dazn contracts or the Canelo Deed.

But if there’s no contract with Canelo and Dazn and my agency argument fails, then I’m mistaken. I’m ok with that - it seemed worth considering from my perspective.

[margaret thatcher]

So to our law (aka lawl) bruhs, what do you put the odds at for canelo vs dazn part of this, who is the fave right now

Just to the uniniated it sounds pretty funny that canelo never even seen the contract and doesnt actually have one with dazn

[lazboy]

And if somebody else agreed with me, you suddenly went silent. You backed down, which suggests you’re just being a troll… only interested about attacking the person, with little interest in real-world factual accuracy!

You lost the debate, but I guess that wasn't your goal. Instead, you just wanted to troll someone and contaminate the forum with nonsense!

So I ran an argument - it may be wrong, it still remains to be seen. It's good that you have someone agreeing with you. That's fantastic . As for my criticisms of you, I stand by them and I feel they remain fair in the context of when I said them, and your forum persona in general.

[Enlightened-One]

And if somebody else agreed with me, you suddenly went silent. You backed down, which suggests you’re just being a troll… only interested about attacking the person, with little interest in real-world factual accuracy!

You lost the debate, but I guess that wasn't your goal. Instead, you just wanted to troll someone and contaminate the forum with nonsense!

So I ran an argument - it may be wrong, it still remains to be seen. It's good that you have someone agreeing with you. That's fantastic . As for my criticisms of you, I stand by them and I feel they remain fair in the context of when I said them, and your forum persona in general.

You try to discredit the arguer using juvenile insults rather than their argument.

You jumped to all sorts of derogatory conclusions without bothering to read Canelo’s 24-page complaint.

And the person you persistently ridiculed had to provide you with Canelo’s documentation, because you were far too lazy to obtain it yourself.

These claims are an accurate presentation of our discussion that everyone can read.

You can’t pretend to take the moral high ground when you behaved like a troll.

Any other forum that had proper moderators would have banned you for your needlessly abusive conduct.

Anyway, it’s good to know you’ve finally conceded defeat, especially after all the ridiculous claims you made.

And that might seem like a rather harsh comment to the ignorant, but they need to realise that it was only you that decided to mock others without bothering to perform any research.

[lazboy]

And if somebody else agreed with me, you suddenly went silent. You backed down, which suggests you’re just being a troll… only interested about attacking the person, with little interest in real-world factual accuracy!

You lost the debate, but I guess that wasn't your goal. Instead, you just wanted to troll someone and contaminate the forum with nonsense!

So I ran an argument - it may be wrong, it still remains to be seen. It's good that you have someone agreeing with you. That's fantastic . As for my criticisms of you, I stand by them and I feel they remain fair in the context of when I said them, and your forum persona in general.

You try to discredit the arguer using juvenile insults rather than their argument.

You jumped to all sorts of derogatory conclusions without bothering to read Canelo’s 24-page complaint.

And the person you persistently ridiculed had to provide you with Canelo’s documentation, because you were far too lazy to obtain it yourself.

These claims are an accurate presentation of our discussion that everyone can read.

You can’t pretend to take the moral high ground when you behaved like a troll.

Any other forum that had proper moderators would have banned you for your needlessly abusive conduct.

Anyway, it’s good to know you’ve finally conceded defeat, especially after all the ridiculous claims you made.

And that might seem like a rather harsh comment to the ignorant, but they need to realise that it was only you that decided to mock others without bothering to perform any research.

I admit that my argument may not be strong, having had a chance to reflect on it and read most of the Canelo claims. But it did seem likely from my perspective. I assumed that Oscar/golden boy was acting as Canelo's agent but it seems like there are two separate contracts with different obligations that are in conflict. Seems like a disaster. Again we've only heard from Team Canelo at this stage.

And yes, an accurate presentation of our discussion is available for everyone to read. I believe you weren't able to present a strong argument or really knew what you were arguing. Essentially another poster was your savior. When the other poster (a well respected poster) added his thoughts, with clear language and reference to Canelo's claims, I was able to reflect on my position. But I still think there's more to this than merely Canelo's position so I'm not entirely convinced.

Remember your argument was...there's no contract between Canelo and Dazn and "There must be some sort of legal precedent that enables Canelo to file a breach of contract against DAZN"

The other poster has filled in your vague argument with something you were not able to explain. He said: "There are concepts such as reliance and third-party beneficiaries that May allow Canelo to successfully claim damages against DAZN"

So well done to Idlamb on being EO's savior today.

Now, I appreciate you feel like I should be banned and that I have upset you. From my perspective, I find you a very unreliable poster and a lot of the time, this instance included, you show very rigid thinking. Perhaps I was a bit harsh. I feel like its one of those boy who cried wolf scenarios. Maybe next time I won't be too quick to criticize you although I feel you have a terrible track record. In this very thread you said that John Skipper was mandated to give a personal guarantee to DAZN - this is clearly wrong and again, I thought you were simply continuing to talk nonsense.

I'm happy to move on now and I hope you are too. And if its ultimately found that Canelo doesn't have a contract with Dazn. Well done EO. EO is the man who said Canelo doesn't have a contract with Dazn. Bravo. He did it guys!

[Onetimeonly]

I still don't believe canelo has a case against dazn without a contract.

[coneye]

I still don't believe canelo has a case against dazn without a contract.

Agree , Will admit i'm a coplete layman with NO knoledge whatsoever , of Legal stuff ,, but still i can't see how anyone can sue someone , for not delivering on a contract or breach of contract ,, when they don't have a contract ... It all seems like something out of a 3 stooges movie

[Onetimeonly]

I still don't believe canelo has a case against dazn without a contract.

Agree , Will admit i'm a coplete layman with NO knoledge whatsoever , of Legal stuff ,, but still i can't see how anyone can sue someone , for not delivering on a contract or breach of contract ,, when they don't have a contract ... It all seems like something out of a 3 stooges movie

Yup, eo, verlichte and Fergus.