Write ideal boxing weight classes

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gilgamesh wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 16:41 What's that got to do with what I said? I said he'd represent the most interesting challenge aside from Wilder or Joshua, and I'm right about that.

Whether or not he'd score a KO doesn't matter.
Yea you're right he does. At this specific point in time. As in, there aren't any other bigger guys at the moment who are close to there yet or all of the other guys you listed have lost.
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sykessta wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 16:36
Tony1244 wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 14:59
gilgamesh wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 14:39

Deontay Wilder knocked out Gerald Washington's big ass not to terribly long ago :lol:

Dominic Breazeale had a good bit of size on him too.

And if people act like Wilder is beating all these guys because he's SO much more skilled than them that's just ridiculous. He's not particularly skilled. Never has been.

He just hits harder.

I'm gonna repeat that.

He just HITS HARDER, than guys who outweigh him by 40 or so pounds.

So tell me again how he's so hopelessly outmatched by size?
I'm gonna repeat this: Someone like Wilder or Usyk will be CW champion while a far less skilled guy like Breazeale will be HW champion and that would be a travesty.

Did I mention every decade has examples of smaller HWs <225 beating much bigger decent HWs. :lol:
How would Brazeale be champion? Didn't we already establish that the two men who hold belts at HW currently are well above 225?
Say Usyk prevails and he fights @ 218. Say Wilder prevails and he decides his best weight is also around 218. Then you get your BS super duper division that you crave, that Gil and I know would ruin boxing.
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Anyone who posts anything that reduces the number of weight classes I agree with. Go back to the original 8.
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You heartless fcks. Some dude got such messed up genes that he can make 102 pounds but as a consolation prizs he gets to be the Jr Minimumweight champion of the world but you fuckers walking around with your big attractive frames you want to see his weight class wiped out and him stripped of his title. Shame on you.

The reason why boxing is more respected than MMA and professional wrestling is because its more of a real sport with many weight classes to accomodate many different sizes of men and making the sport more about skill than it is about size. If you guys love your mma and wwe so much then focus on those sports.
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Tony1244 wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 18:29
sykessta wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 16:36
Tony1244 wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 14:59

I'm gonna repeat this: Someone like Wilder or Usyk will be CW champion while a far less skilled guy like Breazeale will be HW champion and that would be a travesty.

Did I mention every decade has examples of smaller HWs <225 beating much bigger decent HWs. :lol:
How would Brazeale be champion? Didn't we already establish that the two men who hold belts at HW currently are well above 225?
Say Usyk prevails and he fights @ 218. Say Wilder prevails and he decides his best weight is also around 218. Then you get your BS super duper division that you crave, that Gil and I know would ruin boxing.
Lol would you bet on Wilder winning in the third fight with T Fury? Usyk has had one fight at HW so far whether he can win a belt and hold it for time against larger opponents.
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sykessta wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 18:48
Tony1244 wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 18:29
sykessta wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 16:36
How would Brazeale be champion? Didn't we already establish that the two men who hold belts at HW currently are well above 225?
Say Usyk prevails and he fights @ 218. Say Wilder prevails and he decides his best weight is also around 218. Then you get your BS super duper division that you crave, that Gil and I know would ruin boxing.
Lol would you bet on Wilder winning in the third fight with T Fury? Usyk has had one fight at HW so far whether he can win a belt and hold it for time against larger opponents.
I would not bet on that fight actually. But I would favor those 2 against anyone but AJ, Fury and perhaps Dubois.
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oogiebe wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 18:32 Anyone who posts anything that reduces the number of weight classes I agree with. Go back to the original 8.
there should still be cruiser, the original 8 left too big a gap at the higher weights

between lwh and hw you are looing at like 5 inches and 50+ pounds average difference, it certainly warrants an in between division and cruiser has provided lots of good fights
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margaret thatcher wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 20:14
oogiebe wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 18:32 Anyone who posts anything that reduces the number of weight classes I agree with. Go back to the original 8.
there should still be cruiser, the original 8 left too big a gap at the higher weights

between lwh and hw you are looing at like 5 inches and 50+ average difference, it certainly warrants an in between division and cruiser has provided lots of good fights
If you promise to kill all the other divisions, I'll give in on CW.
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do you not think cruiser should exist?

In the past hws were more around 6 feet and 190s-200, so there wasnt nearly the same gap. but today I think clearly cruiser is a needed and beneficial division that has born sweet yummy fruit
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H8Usernames wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 18:43 You heartless fcks. Some dude got such messed up genes that he can make 102 pounds but as a consolation prizs he gets to be the Jr Minimumweight champion of the world but you fuckers walking around with your big attractive frames you want to see his weight class wiped out and him stripped of his title. Shame on you.

The reason why boxing is more respected than MMA and professional wrestling is because its more of a real sport with many weight classes to accomodate many different sizes of men and making the sport more about skill than it is about size. If you guys love your mma and wwe so much then focus on those sports.
I'm pretty sure even if you're just 100 pounds or 99 pounds you could probably physically hang with a guy that's 105, surely.

Hell honestly if you're much smaller than that, I doubt a career as a Pro fighter should be your focus in life.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 20:20 do you not think cruiser should exist?

In the past hws were more around 6 feet and 190s-200, so there wasnt nearly the same gap. but today I think clearly cruiser is a needed and beneficial division that has born sweet yummy fruit
I don't mind Cruiserweight as it is. That being said I don't think the sport would be losing anything if it ceased to exist.

I would like to see a ruling firmly established that guys even weighing 195 CAN fight as Heavyweights if they want.

Right now I think you'd have to be at least 201 to fight at Heavyweight.
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Cruiser has been a great division, don't know why dudes want it gone/think it adds nothing. take it away and I worry about a lot of these guys losing dedication and becoming tubby because they have no limit to make, also a lot of these guys are like around 6 feet and hardly huge framed, would just be really undersized, not everyone can be a Holyfield

I much prefer cruisers have a place to at least stay in prime shape, compete vs each other at the elite levels as long as they want to before taking a leap up to become softer and so far in most cases b level contender at best
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margaret thatcher wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 21:43 Cruiser has been a great division, don't know why dudes want it gone/think it adds nothing. take it away and I worry about a lot of these guys losing dedication and becoming tubby because they have no limit to make, also a lot of these guys are like around 6 feet and hardly huge framed, would just be really undersized, not everyone can be a Holyfield
That's true. I don't mind Cruiserweight as it is.

Though I'd prefer it be it's original 190 instead of 200, but whatever.

It's the Super and Jr. stuff I can't stand. I don't mind Strawweight aka Minimumweight either. I'm pretty sure that's the division with the most different names.

It seems like I've seen it referred to as Mini Flyweight too.
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gilgamesh wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 21:29
H8Usernames wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 18:43 You heartless fcks. Some dude got such messed up genes that he can make 102 pounds but as a consolation prizs he gets to be the Jr Minimumweight champion of the world but you fuckers walking around with your big attractive frames you want to see his weight class wiped out and him stripped of his title. Shame on you.

The reason why boxing is more respected than MMA and professional wrestling is because its more of a real sport with many weight classes to accomodate many different sizes of men and making the sport more about skill than it is about size. If you guys love your mma and wwe so much then focus on those sports.
I'm pretty sure even if you're just 100 pounds or 99 pounds you could probably physically hang with a guy that's 105, surely.

Hell honestly if you're much smaller than that, I doubt a career as a Pro fighter should be your focus in life.
A 90 pound guy in the mix at strawweight isnt as outrageous to me as a 400 pound guy in the mix at heavyweight.
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squiggy wrote: 20 Sep 2020, 15:54
gilgamesh wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 21:29
H8Usernames wrote: 19 Sep 2020, 18:43 You heartless fcks. Some dude got such messed up genes that he can make 102 pounds but as a consolation prizs he gets to be the Jr Minimumweight champion of the world but you fuckers walking around with your big attractive frames you want to see his weight class wiped out and him stripped of his title. Shame on you.

The reason why boxing is more respected than MMA and professional wrestling is because its more of a real sport with many weight classes to accomodate many different sizes of men and making the sport more about skill than it is about size. If you guys love your mma and wwe so much then focus on those sports.
I'm pretty sure even if you're just 100 pounds or 99 pounds you could probably physically hang with a guy that's 105, surely.

Hell honestly if you're much smaller than that, I doubt a career as a Pro fighter should be your focus in life.
A 90 pound guy in the mix at strawweight isnt as outrageous to me as a 400 pound guy in the mix at heavyweight.
A 400 pound guy in the mix simply isn't going to happen. At a certain point getting heavier ceases to be an advantage. At 400 pounds your stamina would be sh*t, and you'd be slow as molasses in a Boxing ring.

Hell most guys can't even carry 270 pounds, and be effective as boxers. Tyson Fury is an exception because he's 6'9 and just big all around.

And don't think he'll have all that much career longevity frankly. He knows it too. That's why he's already mentioned only wanting a small amount of fights, and then to retire. Being very large isn't always an advantage.
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