Showtime's Espinoza: I Don't Understand Complaints About Charlos PPV Price

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Showtime's Espinoza: I Don't Understand Complaints About Charlos PPV Price

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"Showtime's Espinoza: I Don't Understand Complaints About Charlos PPV Price"

UNCASVILLE, Connecticut – Stephen Espinoza is sympathetic toward those under financial duress during this pandemic.

Showtime’s president of sports and event programming also understands some of the complaints consumers and non-buyers have expressed regarding boxing pay-per-view events. Espinoza completely disagrees, however, with the critics contending that Showtime’s six-fight pay-per-view show Saturday night is too expensive.

The veteran television executive pointed out that the $74.95 price tag for the show is in line with what it has cost to watch boxing pay-per-view events in HD in recent years. Espinoza also feels that fans are getting both quality and quantity for their money from these two three-bout broadcasts.

In the first main event at Mohegan Sun Arena, Jermall Charlo (30-0, 22 KOs) will defend his WBC middleweight title against Sergiy Derevyanchenko (13-2, 10 KOs). In the second main event, Jermell Charlo (33-1, 17 KOs) is scheduled to face Jeison Rosario (20-1-1, 14 KOs) for Charlo’s WBC and Rosario’s IBF and WBA 154-pound titles.

“I understand that there are a lot of people in this environment that are under financial pressures,” Espinoza told BS.com. “Of course, that’s an impediment for the pay-per-view. But as a general comment, I don’t understand the complaints about the pay-per-view price. This the same price that it’s been for years and it’s double of what you typically get from a pay-per-view. Actually, it’s more than double because the quality of the fights up and down [the card] is way beyond the norm. We hear boxing fans asking for, ‘We want the best fighting the best.’ OK, well, how about a top-three guy in the division against another top-three guy in the division? Or, how about a unification fight with three belts on the line? OK, that’s the best fighting the best.

“Then they say, ‘Well, give us strong undercards.’ OK, how about four more world title fights? And the one that’s not actually a world title fight is between two former world champions? We give them all that, and then it’s, ‘Well, it’s too expensive.’ So, the reality is there will be those that complain and criticize no matter what.
But I think the true boxing fan recognizes the strength of this card and the value that it presents.”

The show will start at 7 p.m. ET/4 p.m. PT with a 12-round battle that’ll pit the Philippines’ John Riel Casimero (29-4, 20 KOs) against Ghana’s Duke Micah (24-0, 19 KOs) in a 12-round fight for Casimero’s WBO bantamweight title. Between the Casimero-Micah and Jermall Charlo-Derevyanchenko bouts, Brandon Figueroa (20-0-1, 15 KOs), of Weslaco, Texas, will defend his WBA world super bantamweight championship versus Las Vegas’ Damien Vazquez (15-1-1, 8 KOs).

A 30-minute intermission will follow the conclusion of Jermall Charlo-Derevyanchenko.

The second portion of Showtime’s pay-per-view telecast will begin with a 12-round, 122-pound WBC super bantamweight eliminator in which Daniel Roman (27-3-1, 10 KOs), a former IBF/WBA 122-pound champ from Los Angeles, will meet Miami’s Juan Carlos Payano (21-3, 9 KOs), an ex-WBA bantamweight champ. After Roman-Payano, Mexico’s Luis Nery (30-0, 24 KOs) will encounter countryman Aaron Alameda (25-0, 13 KOs) in another 12-rounder for the vacant WBC 122-pound championship.

As much value as Espinoza believes buyers will get out of boxing’s first pay-per-view show during the COVID-19 pandemic, he realizes this is a risky proposition.

“It’s a roll of the dice,” Espinoza said. “The reality is there’s a lot of factors that we’ve never dealt with before, from the economic situation of the country, the competitive landscape of all the sports going at the same time and significant changes in how people consume media in general, and with sports in particular, right now. So, it’s a real question mark. But I will say this – as much risk as there is in this card for the network and the business people, I give a lot of credit to the fighters, and particularly the fighters in the main events. Because all of these guys could’ve said, ‘Let’s wait until there can be fans, so we can get some more money from the gate receipts, and we’ll be less dependent on pay-per-view to get our full purse.’

“They didn’t say that. To a man, they all said, ‘We’re not gonna wait around. Let’s do big fights. And we’ll take the entrepreneurial risk. If the fight does great, they’re gonna get paid well. If it doesn’t do great, they’re the ones who are gonna bear the brunt of it. So, I think that’s something to be appreciated, that they’re not gonna sit around and play it safe, when there’s more reliable revenue. The sport has to move forward and to continue to put on big fights, and that’s what everyone on this card has committed to doing.”


Thoughts? :-?
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the guys on another planet !

$75 for a ppv that is headlined by a charlo , FFS that is £58 in the UK !

Fans would not pay that for AJ vs Fury which is likely to be the biggest draw since the rumble in the jungle ..

feckin joke

he needs a wallop :bag:
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Post by Paci »

Neither of this guys are real draws or have a profile outside boxing.

The pricetag is pretty high for such matchups and would be better on a network or something rather then a PPV.

The PBC countines to milk the PPV and haven't really put out anything good during the last 2 years in solid matchs. This two fights are however relevant for the MW and SWW landscapes(unlike other PBC-fights that are just to build the profile of the fighter against solid lower-tier contenders to make them look good). So stupid that all the relevnt ones are put on PPV for no good reason or just trying to sell the fighters like Mayweather with having to buy the fight. Cause "It is on PPV it has to be good"-logic.

Fury vs AJ feels worthy thou. "Would by that for a dollar!"
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A PPV needs to appeal beyond boxing fans, and needs to have some name value, whilst this has some REALLY good bouts there is no hook, no draw, to the casuals. It's also a very high price point, during a...ahem...fornicating PANDEMIC... and it's up against UFC, it comes on the back of a very weak (in terms of broadcasting) TV figure for the last Showtime broadcast.

Whether Espinoza understands it or not, he needs to realise that whilst it is a REALLY good show it's also a very high price point, when millions are becoming unemployed, finances for most are worrisome, most can't defend a $75 to their partners for what is essentially a 1 off night of entertainment, and PPV parties can't take place for shared costs.

If he can't understand it he'll understand it afterwards when the numbers bomb.
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He will understand when buys suck and it completely flops
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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 23 Sep 2020, 11:15 He will understand when buys suck and it completely flops

Yes, a reality check sorely needed.
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There is psychology to prices. $50 is a big barrier especially if things are considered economically tough (even if the buyer isn't personally affected - the perception matters)

In the $40 range would have been applauded but obviously you'd have to double sales to make that worth it. Would they double? Lets see how this ppv does. If its over 250k id say "no" and showtime was right. If it does under 150k id say showtime botched the pricing
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Post by margaret thatcher »

makes me lol when these dudes in uk complain about 15 pound ppvs lol, yank will be charging 100 soon

tbf it's defo a nice card
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PPV is for superstars as far as I'm concerned. Neither of these guys fit that bill, nor will they if they wins these fights.
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The price seems exorbitant but it's not the real problem.

The real problem is that PBC has been putting mostly trash on Fox and Showtime and then asking people to pony up PPV money for every fight of any magnitude whatsoever.
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jujigatame wrote: 23 Sep 2020, 16:12 The price seems exorbitant but it's not the real problem.

The real problem is that PBC has been putting mostly trash on Fox and Showtime and then asking people to pony up PPV money for every fight of any magnitude whatsoever.
For real. Lomachenko is without an argument a far better p4p and probably a bigger draw and hasn't fought on PPV once. TR gets a bad rap they at least put competitive fights on free TV.
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Not a bad price for a killer stack of fights in a rough year for fans and fighters.
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75 U.S

No one will pay 25 let alone 75 for this.
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The A list Black Americans.

Are either of the Charlo's on the A list ?

Spence, Crawford and Tank are there.
Use that as a yardstick.
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I think it's a very good card but $75 is just nuts. It's not like I can't afford it but even at the UK price of £20 I always question whether it's worth the money to watch it live rather than watching for nothing sometimes the very next day. I usually weigh the whole card before deciding.

I might look at it differently if my friends and family shared my enthusiasm but generally it's just me watching. It would have to be something very special for me to even consider paying 75 bucks.
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PPV prices have traditionally always been expensive in the US (i.e. Wilder-Fury and Canelo-GGG selling their PPVs around the $75 mark).

The Charlo brothers might not be as high-profile as Wilder-Fury or Canelo-GGG, but the entire fight card is stacked (unlike the aforementioned events), hence the reason why Showtime believe they’re providing value for money.

HBO once tried lowering their PPV prices, but it didn’t have much impact on buy-rates, because a certain set of hardcore boxing fans will always buy pay-per-views regardless the price. So there's little motivation to reduce the prices.

Those purchasing PPV’s in the US are also more likely to do so with a household filled with people.
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Yeh 75.00 is a lot money but its better than the 3 ppv that are matchroom are showing or showed. Plus the price point has been like that for ages now, The ufc have ppvs nearly every month and people will say those cards are stacked so is this one. I be more worried about tank vs cruz card as the undercard not been named yet
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Ellerbe: Charlos Will Begin Great PPV Run Like Mayweather - They Talk Sh-t But Back It Up!

Like Davis, Ellerbe believes the Charlos will be PPV mainstays in their careers moving forward.

“This is just the beginning of a great PPV run for both brothers. They have a tremendous opportunity to do something very special with their careers. There is no turning back from here for the Charlos,” Ellerbe told Boxing Scene in an interview. “Fighting on PPV is a whole different animal than fighting on network TV. This is the coming-out party for both of them. They have meanness and toughness about them. Both of their fights are going to end in spectacular KOs. They both talk a lot of sh-t but they back it up.”

“The Charlos are both charismatic, have dynamic personalities and their own identities, and both of them can fight their a--es off. They mean business. They are always in shape,”
said Ellerbe. “But they don’t have to chase Floyd’s records and pattern themselves after him. There will never be another Floyd Mayweather Jr., as far as having the kind of success and records that he had in PPV. And that’s OK, because Floyd is a stand-alone icon who did the unthinkable, and in my opinion, will never be touched. The Charlos can create their own path and own lane, and they have the biggest platform on Showtime to do it. It starts this weekend.”

“The Charlos will open up their fan base. They are looking to expand their fan base into the mainstream world with casual fans. Both of them have all of the ingredients to that. Gervonta Davis does, too, and he will be taking it from there. These two PPVs will have a tremendous impact on the sport moving forward, and establish what these fighters are all about.”
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I know US salaries are greater but I don't think it's quite double the UK in terms of average salary, yet the boxing PPV is well over double the cost when taking into account of exchange rate. So they are pretty hard done by there!

This is a pretty stacked card though for boxing fans to enjoy. You can count the number of actual "superstars" on 1, maybe 2 hands who are known by more casual sports fans. PPV hasn't only been for that calibre of fighter for years now.
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Boxing fans know more about the viewer market than boxing executives. Thats alarming
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I would have bought it, but their is a huge UFC I'm not even buying so boxing isn't even in stream play.
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Post by gilgamesh »

I would've bought it at 30 bucks, but 75 dollars nah.

I've only bought 1 PPV in the last 8 years, and it was Fury/Wilder 2

If it costs mega bucks. It better be a megafight. Otherwise, I'm fine just reading about it.
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I don't get the idea that this card is "stacked". There may be 6 fights but 4 of them are OK at best.
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jujigatame wrote: 24 Sep 2020, 18:41 I don't get the idea that this card is "stacked". There may be 6 fights but 4 of them are OK at best.
OK, without intending to be cantankerous, what other card that was staged during 2020, that was as stacked as this one?

And if that’s challenging, to the point you can’t think of any, you’re more than welcome to list those events from 2019.

I guess “beauty really is in the eye of the beholder”, since you seem very difficult to please, despite their being MANY PPV events that had much weaker fight cards than this one.
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Post by margaret thatcher »

To me 4 of the 6 are interesting to various degrees

The Nery and Figueroa fights are beat downs vs guys with really padded records, but tbf usually the less interesting stuff on cards is even way worse than that and doesnt feature guys like Nery who are elite level

Overall easily in the upper upper tier of the cards we've seen for last several years, let alone this year alone
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