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[DrDuke]

James Toney vs Montell Griffin I

1: Griffin 10-9
2: Griffin 10-9
3: Toney 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Toney 10-9
6: Toney 10-9
7: Griffin 10-9
8: Toney 10-9
9: Toney 10-9
10: Toney 10-9
11: Griffin 10-9
12: Griffin 10-9

Total score: Toney 115-113

Toney won it. It was close and it wasn't Toney's best performance, but he edged it.

[DrDuke]

James Toney vs Montell Griffin II

1: Toney 10-9
2: Griffin 10-9
3: Griffin 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Toney 10-9
6: Griffin 10-9
7: Toney 10-9
8: Toney 10-9
9: Toney 10-9
10: Griffin 10-9
11: Toney 10-9
12: Toney 10-9

Total score: Toney 116-112

Toney won that fight more decisively than the first one, but the result was even more terrible, not a MD, but a UD and a truly awful one: 116-112 twice and... 119-109.

[DrDuke]

James Toney vs Mike McCallum III

1: Toney 10-9
2: 10-10
3: Toney 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Toney 10-9
6: Toney 10-9
7: Toney 10-9
8: McCallum 10-9
9: Toney 10-9
10: Toney 10-9
11: Toney 10-9
12: 10-10

Total score: Toney 119-111

The easiest fight to score in their trilogy. Both were past it there, especially McCallum. Actually, Toney was winning a lot of rounds by a narrow margin, but still he clearly won that.

[DrDuke]

James Toney vs Drake Thadzi

1: Toney 10-9
2: Thadzi 10-9
3: Thadzi 10-9
4: Thadzi 10-9
5: Toney 10-9
6: Thadzi 10-9
7: Thadzi 10-9
8: Toney 10-9
9: Thadzi 10-9
10: Thadzi 10-9
11: Thadzi 10-9
12: Thadzi 10-9

Total score: Thadzi 117-111

Toney again had weight cut problems and didn't make weight for this LHW bout. Toney fought lazy there. Thadzi made it an inside hustle and outworked Toney. Actually, these weight problems during Toney's late SMW and LHW career were dragging him down. His LHW period was the bleakest in his career. Thadzi bout was the last at that weight. Toney's career even had the second wind after he had started to fight at the CW and the HW constantly.

[DrDuke]

James Toney vs Vassiliy Jirov

1: Toney 10-9
2: Jirov 10-9
3: Toney 10-9
4: Jirov 10-9
5: Toney 10-9
6: Toney 10-9
7: Toney 10-9
8: 9-9 (Jirov deducted a point for a repeated low blow)
9: Toney 10-9
10: Toney 10-9
11: Jirov 10-9
12: Toney 10-8 (Jirov down)

Total score: Toney 116-110

Toney was stellar. Jirov provided a great effort, he settled a wild pace, he threw 1000+ punches and outworked Toney, but Toney was landing more all the fight and Toney's punches were way more damaging. Lederman scoring it even and Lampley calling it tough to score sounded ridiculous. Judges did a great job there. Toney schooled Jirov. Toney's defence, counters, fighting off the ropes and precision were brilliant. Roach telling Toney to put Jirov on his a$$ before the final round and Toney doing it during the last 20 seconds of the bout is an absolutely classic moment. A great fight.

[DrDuke]

Evander Holyfield vs James Toney

1: Holyfield 10-9
2: Toney 10-9
3: Toney 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Toney 10-9
6: Toney 10-9
7: Toney 10-9
8: Toney 10-9
9: Toney TKO

Prior to the stoppage: Toney 79-73

It was sad to watch, because Holyfield was way past it, while Toney was on the last rise of his career. Holyfield was slower than Toney, he was hesitant and just shot. The beginning was close, but only the first round was clearly in Holy's favor, Toney calculated eveything right after it. Toney gradually broke Holyfield down.

[DrDuke]

John Ruiz vs James Toney

1: Toney 10-9
2: Toney 10-9
3: Ruiz 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Toney 10-9
6: Toney 10-9
7: Toney 10-8 (Ruiz down)
8: Toney 10-9
9: Toney 10-9
10: Ruiz 10-9
11: Toney 10-9
12: Toney 10-9

Total score: Toney 118-109

Toney dominated Ruiz. It was a one of the most interesting and satisfying Ruiz' fights to watch thankfully to Toney. Ruiz was much slower and got outboxed clearly.

There was some arguable stuff with knockdowns. Ruiz was given a count in the 7th. There Toney threw one-two, which hurt Ruiz, after which Toney added left hook. Ruiz was going backwards at that time, while Toney was moving forward and it looked like Toney could step on Ruiz foot at the moment of throwing a left hook. The hook itself didn't land clean, but Ruiz went down. Ruiz was complaining to the ref while being given a count.

In the 8th round Ruiz was coming forward with an attack, Toney countered with one-two and the right landed clean, after what Ruiz went down again, but this time the ref ruled it as a slip. Probably the ref wasn't confident about the first KD. This time it looked like Ruiz was out of balance, but possibly it was a simultaneous effect of being out of balance and being rocked by a punch.

[DrDuke]

Hasim Rahman vs James Toney

1: Rahman 10-9
2: Toney 10-9
3: Toney 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Rahman 10-9
6: Rahman 10-9
7: Rahman 10-9
8: Toney 10-9
9: Rahman 10-9
10: Rahman 10-9
11: Toney 10-9
12: Rahman 10-9

Total score: Rahman 115-113

A close fight, but Rahman edged it, no doubt about that. Toney was more precise and he landed the most telling blows, but Rahman dictated the fight and he both outworked and outscored Toney. James had a great beginning of his heavyweight run, but eventually age and weight got to him. 37 is a pretty big age for a boxer, who had a such tough career. And 237 lbs is a pretty big number for a former middleweight. Toney's shape for Holyfield with 217 lbs was the best for his HW version, but 237 lbs were way too much, Toney gased out fast and was often out of balance. Toney was a better boxer than Rahman, but Rahman was younger and better prepared.

[scartissue]

James Toney vs Mike McCallum II

1: Toney 10-9
2: Toney 10-9
3: McCallum 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Toney 10-9
6: McCallum 10-9
7: McCallum 10-9
8: 9-9 (McCallum deducted a point for holding Toney's head and hitting it)
9: McCallum 10-9
10: Toney 10-9
11: Toney 10-9
12: McCallum 10-9

Total score: Toney 114-113

If not the point deduction from McCallum for an absolutely unnecessary foul, I'd have it a draw. The fight was very close, either way going. None did any real damage. The first fight was more intense, Toney was landing some big shots there. Toney was given a too wide score in a rematch, probably judges were pro-Toney because everyone felt, that Toney had been robbed of a victory in the first bout.

Doc, here is how I had this fight:

James Toney v Mike McCallum II

Round 1: 10-9 Toney
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Toney
Round 4: 10-9 McCallum
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Toney
Round 8: 9-9 Even (scored the round for McCallum but 1 point deducted for a 'behind-the-back' punch - very harsh)
Round 9: 10-9 McCallum
Round 10: 10-9 McCallum
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 McCallum

Total: 116-115 McCallum (actual scores: 114-114 Even and 118-110, 117-110 both for Toney for a majority decision win for Toney)

Aarrghhh! So many close rounds down to the wire. I hate having so many even rounds but I won't penalize a fighter on a flip of the coin. Toney would start out each round landing a couple of sharp right hands but then fall into his lull and let the older/not so sharp fighter back into the fight. A draw would have been a correct decision in this fight as well. Regarding the point deduction, again, very harsh. A behind-the-back punch that was simply a tap was ridiculous. Obviously Cortez never reffed a Ray 'Windmill' White fight. A punch like that was obligatory from him.

[DrDuke]

James Toney vs Samuel Peter

1: Toney 10-9
2: Toney 10-9
3: Peter 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Peter 10-9
6: Toney 10-9
7: Peter 10-9
8: Peter 10-9
9: 9-9 (Peter deducted a point for intentional punches to a back of the head)
10: Peter 10-9
11: Toney 10-9
12: Peter 10-9

Total score: Peter 114-113

The last hurrah of Toney, but still Peter edged the fight. Toney was good early, some moments in the first half of the fight looked like a schooling of Peter by Toney, but in any case Toney was past it, he gased out by the second half out the bout and wasn't convincuing there. Toney should have retired after their rematch.

[DrDuke]

James Toney vs Danny Batchelder

1: Toney 10-9
2: Toney 10-9
3: Toney 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Toney 10-9
6: Batchelder 10-9
7: Toney 10-9
8: Toney 10-9
9: Batchelder 10-9
10: Toney 10-9

Total score: Toney 98-92

The Batchelder card was a joke, the guy had just been there for his paycheck, trying to survive. Toney pressed the action and did the mininmum needed to outpoint Batchelder.

[DrDuke]

James Toney vs Fres Oquendo

1: Toney 10-9
2: Oquendo 10-9
3: Oquendo 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Oquendo 10-9
6: Toney 10-9
7: Oquendo 10-9
8: 9-9 (Oquendo controversially deducted a point for rabbit punching)
9: Oquendo 10-9
10: Oquendo 10-9
11: Oquendo 10-9
12: Oquendo 10-9

Total score: Oquendo 116-111

Oquendo was robbed by both referee and judges. The point deduction was too much, Oquendo didn't do that intentionally earlier in the fight and the deduction punch wasn't to a back of Toney's head at all. That point cost Oquendo a draw in this bout (judges had it 114-113 and 115-112 for Toney, 110-116 for Oquendo).

Anyway, even a draw would sound like a bad decision, because Oquendo won the fight quite clearly. Toney was way past it, 40 y.o. and overweight, he had some moments early, but he gased out by the second half of the fight and had almost no big moments there. Oquendo controlled to fight with his jab, he vastly outworked and outlanded Toney.

Actually, Oquendo was a frequent victim of his constant B-side status, as he has arguably won Byrd (for the championship), Holyfield and Chagaev. It's no surprise, that the same occured in his Toney bout.

Toney should have already been retired by the moment of this fight, but sadly he only continued his career afterwards. Toney had already proved to be great before, while his late 2000s - 2010s career was an unnecessary embarrassment.

[scartissue]

James Toney vs Montell Griffin I

1: Griffin 10-9
2: Griffin 10-9
3: Toney 10-9
4: Toney 10-9
5: Toney 10-9
6: Toney 10-9
7: Griffin 10-9
8: Toney 10-9
9: Toney 10-9
10: Toney 10-9
11: Griffin 10-9
12: Griffin 10-9

Total score: Toney 115-113

Toney won it. It was close and it wasn't Toney's best performance, but he edged it.

James Toney v Montell Griffin I

And, like so many of Toney's fights, the rounds are decided by a thread. In this case Griffin is the busier but Toney is the sharper puncher. Here we go

Round 1: 10-9 Griffin
Round 2: 10-9 Griffin
Round 3: 10-9 Toney
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Toney
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Griffin
Round 8: 10-9 Toney
Round 9: 10-9 Griffin
Round 10: 10-9 Toney
Round 11: 10-9 Toney
Round 12: 10-9 Toney

Total: 116-114 Toney (actual scores: 114-114 Even, 115-113 and 116-112 both for Griffin)

This bout had people all over the place on scores. For instance Harold Lederman scored rounds 3 and 7 10-8 for the respective fighters which I didn't think was reasonable.

[DrDuke]

Round 11: 10-9 Toney
Round 12: 10-9 Toney

It's interesting, that we've had almost eveything more or less the same, while the last two rounds opposite.

[scartissue]

Here is a bit of nostalgia for everyone. The first fight between Michael Dokes and Ossie Ocasio, which for some reason, I didn't see live back in the day. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Dokes
Round 2: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 3: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 4: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 5: 10-9 Dokes
Round 6: 10-9 Dokes
Round 7: 10-9 Dokes
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Dokes
Round 10: 10-9 Ocasio

Total: 96-95 Dokes (actual scores: 98-96 Dokes, 97-96 Ocasio and 96-96 Even, for a Draw decision)

The commentating team were real Ocasio cheerleaders at times, but to tell you the truth, he was explosive but simply didn't do enough of anything else. After the early rounds where he was firing haymakers at Dokes, he simmered down and that's when Dokes began doing a bit more. Although I had Dokes up by a point, I thought the draw decision was just.

[DrDuke]

The commentating team were real Ocasio cheerleaders at times, but to tell you the truth, he was explosive but simply didn't do enough of anything else. After the early rounds where he was firing haymakers at Dokes, he simmered down and that's when Dokes began doing a bit more. Although I had Dokes up by a point, I thought the draw decision was just.

As far as I remember, I had Ocasio edging a bit.

[Woldemar]

Mairis Briedis vs Yunier Dorticos

1-2 Dorticos
3-7 Briedis
8- Dorticos
9-12 Briedis

Winner : Mairis Briedis 117-111

Official Scorecards : Briedis win by MD (117-111 x2,114-114)

[scartissue]

Lucas Matthysse v Zab Judah

Round 1: 10-9 Zab
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 LM
Round 4: 10-9 LM
Round 5: 10-9 Zab
Round 6: 10-9 LM
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Zab
Round 9: 10-9 LM
Round 10: 10-8 LM (scores a knockdown)
Round 11: 10-9 LM
Round 12: 10-9 LM

Total: 117-112 Matthysse (actual scores: 114-113 x 2 for Judah and 114-113 for Matthysse)

I'm obviously in the minority of having it a bit wider for Matthysse. I was far more impressed with his pressing and workrate than Zab's sporadic punching. Not slam-bang, but still a decent enough fight.

[margaret thatcher]

Mairis Briedis vs Yunier Dorticos

1-2 Dorticos
3-7 Briedis
8- Dorticos
9-12 Briedis

Winner : Mairis Briedis 117-111

Official Scorecards : Briedis win by MD (117-111 x2,114-114)

Had it the exact same, Briedis took some time reading Dort and then took over the fight

[scartissue]

Back in the day I saw all of Boza-Edwards' fights, but for some reason this one slipped through the net.

Boza-Edwards v Blaine Dickson

Round 1: 10-9 Dickson
Round 2: 10-9 Dickson
Round 3: 10-8 Boza (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Boza
Round 5: 10-9 Boza
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Boza (best round of the fight)
Round 8: 10-9 Boza
Round 9: 10-9 Boza
Round 10: 10-9 Boza

Total: 98-92 Boza-Edwards (actual scores: 98-92, 98-91 and 96-93 all for Boza-Edwards)

First, don't let the scoreline fool you. Every round was won by a thread. The only simple round was the 3rd. Wouldn't doubt a different score by anyone who sees it. Two great warriors and a terrific fight.

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I wanted to check out any other Frankie Randall fights out there and I zeroed in on his first fight with Juan Martin Coggi. I didn't check to see how the fight broke down as I like using my own judgement without influence of knowing the outcome - other than the fact that I did know Frankie won. But as it turned out, a bit one-sided along with a few explosions.

Round 1: 10-8 Randall (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-8 Coggi (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Randall
Round 4: 10-9 Randall
Round 5: 10-8 Randall (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 10-8 Randall (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 10-9 Randall
Round 8: 10-9 Randall
Round 9: 10-9 Randall
Round 10: 10-9 Randall
Round 11: 10-9 Randall
Round 12: 10-9 Coggi

Total: 117-107 Randall (actual scores: 115-109, 116-108 and another 116-108 all for Randall)

Came close to scoring the 7th even, but when Randall came back into a round he came back hard. Coggi was always a very strong fighter with those whipping/clubbing punches as Frankie found out in the 2nd round. But Frankie was really something back then and one wonders how long his prime could have been if not for his drug problems earlier in his career.

[Counter-puncher]

here's a treat for thread regulars, i saw a few Tapia fights at the time but not this one, which I somehow never saw or heard how fcking awesome it is.

sit back and enjoy two men beating the snot out of each other

[scartissue]

here's a treat for thread regulars, i saw a few Tapia fights at the time but not this one, which I somehow never saw or heard how fcking awesome it is.

sit back and enjoy two men beating the snot out of each other

Counter, I watched the first round of this fight and my interest is piqued. Looks to be a good one. Will sit down tomorrow morning and watch it. Thanks.

[scartissue]

here's a treat for thread regulars, i saw a few Tapia fights at the time but not this one, which I somehow never saw or heard how fcking awesome it is.

sit back and enjoy two men beating the snot out of each other

Counter, I checked the fight out today in its entirety and let me just say; wow! What a terrific fight. Martinez' heftier wallops against Tapia's sizzling combos. Here is how I had it.

Round 1: 10-9 Martinez
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Tapia
Round 4: 10-9 Tapia
Round 5: 10-9 Martinez
Round 6: 10-9 Tapia
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Martinez
Round 9: 10-9 Tapia
Round 10: 10-9 Tapia
Round 11: Tapia drops Martinez and the ref stops the fight

Total (through 10 completed rounds): 97-95 Tapia (actual scores: 98-92 and 2 scores of 97-93 all for Tapia)

Can't say enough about this fight. Johnny looked great. But let me talk about Martinez. What a great effort and I think he deserved a bit more said about him than the announcers were granting him. Great fundamentals. Hard jab (delivered in ones), hard body-puncher and terrific wallops upstairs, but Johnny was not to be denied this day as he took it into the late rounds and Martinez found himself in the deep end of the pool. Still, I was expecting to see more of a career out of Henry, but according to boxrec, that was it for him. Don't know if he sustained permanent damage in the fight to his optics or if he lost heart. Wished Johnny would have retired earlier than he did, but something was always going to happen there. But I digress. I highly recommend this fight and thanks to Counter for bringing it to our attention.

[Counter-puncher]

You’re welcome mate

Surprisingly it was Martinez’s last ever fight. I’d love to know the story behind that because he seemed like he belonged in a ring at world level, especially as it was only like his 15th fight and his first 12 rounder.

It feels like a shame he went out on that note

Edit ah you mentioned that!

I totally agree the commentary didn’t give Martinez enough credit for his work.