Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

Who wins?

Poll ended at 26 Sep 2020, 11:51

Charlo - Decision
12
35%
Charlo - T/KO
4
12%
DRAW
2
6%
Derevyanchenko - T/KO
8
24%
Derevyanchenko - Decision
8
24%
 
Total votes: 34

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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Enlightened-One wrote: 25 Sep 2020, 05:23 Yep. It would be nice if these guys provided honest opinions based on sporting reasons rather than personal/demographic bias.

And I’m referring to everyone, not just those favouring Derevyanchenko.
Eastern European and Eastern Asian names predominantly picking against Charlo?
That statement you were just referring to Derev..

Not like you said vice versa etc..
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 25 Sep 2020, 05:28
Enlightened-One wrote: 25 Sep 2020, 05:23 Yep. It would be nice if these guys provided honest opinions based on sporting reasons rather than personal/demographic bias.

And I’m referring to everyone, not just those favouring Derevyanchenko.
Eastern European and Eastern Asian names predominantly picking against Charlo?
That statement you were just referring to Derev..

Not like you said vice versa etc..
It was easier to identify the demographics for those favouring Derevyanchenko, based on their names, hence my initial post.

But like I've already conceded, those that made predictions in the article you quoted appeared to have some sort of demographic bias from both sides of the Atlantic (i.e. West = Charlo and East = Derevyanchenko).

And I do feel it would be better if these guys provided honest opinions solely based on sporting reasons.

For me, there's always a difference between who I support and who I think will win.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Enlightened-One wrote: 25 Sep 2020, 06:47 And I do feel it would be better if these guys provided honest opinions solely based on sporting reasons.

For me, there's always a difference between who I support and who I think will win.
Yeh, it would be better for readers if they were more truthful and not bias.

Kownacki is Polish/American, he said draw

Lipinets went with Charlo :oo

Matt Korobov went with Charlo.. This one I can explain. I've noticed, boxers always choose someone they 'lost' to rather than the opponent.. Korobov will want to think that since Charlo beat him, if Derev beats him too, it would make Derev better than Korobov.

This happened with Danny Garcia, when he was predicting I think it was a Porter or a Thurman fight in the past.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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DiBella: Derevyanchenko Deserves Fair Shake; I Want The Right Guy To F--king Win!

Lou DiBella is concerned about the possibility of judges shorting Sergiy Derevyanchenko again.

The veteran promoter is convinced Derevyanchenko did enough to win his grueling fight against Gennadiy Golovkin last October 5 at Madison Square Garden. DiBella doesn’t think Derevyanchenko deserved to lose his 12-round middleweight title fight to Daniel Jacobs, either.

Golovkin beat Derevyanchenko by slim margins on all three scorecards to win a 12-round unanimous decision. Eleven months earlier, Jacobs defeated Derevyanchenko by split decision.

The tenacious Ukrainian contender will get his third middleweight title shot Saturday night, when he’ll challenge Jermall Charlo for the WBC 160-pound crown at Mohegan Sun Arena.

“I never screamed robbery with his fights, but he could’ve won both of them,” DiBella told Boxing Scene. “And he, at least in my mind, won one of them clearly. I’m concerned, particularly because of the way the judging has been lately, and how uneven it’s been in this pandemic. And then you have this promotion, which has been an A-side, Charlo promotion.

“I mean, you see the minute-and-a-half [promotional video] that Showtime’s got out there, it’s a piece on the Charlo brothers. The commercial I saw today on one of my cable channels was a Charlo brothers commercial. Like, you wouldn’t even think it’s two fights that are as good as these two fights are. And I’m really concerned about the wrong thing happening again.”


DiBella’s promotional contract with Derevyanchenko expired following his loss to Golovkin, but Derevyanchenko and his adviser, Keith Connolly, retained DiBella as part of his team for the Charlo fight.

The 34-year-old Derevyanchenko (13-2, 10 KOs) is a slight underdog against Houston’s Charlo (30-0, 22 KOs), who hasn’t encountered as accomplished or as rugged an opponent as Derevyanchenko since he moved up from the junior middleweight division 3½ years ago. DiBella believes Derevyanchenko is capable of stopping Charlo, yet he doesn’t think Derevyanchenko should feel that’s the only way he can win.

“Sergiy can stop people based on aggression, and he’s got some power, and he throws a sh-tload of punches,” DiBella said. “But he’s not Mike Tyson. I don’t want this kid to be in a situation that if he doesn’t knock the guy out the other guy wins. He’s already been victimized twice, and he deserves a fair shake. But I think the judging panel that they’ve announced is pretty good.”

Nevada’s Tim Cheatham, Oklahoma’s David Sutherland and New Jersey’s Steve Weisfeld are the three judges who’ve been assigned to the Charlo-Derevyanchenko bout.

Charlo-Derevyanchenko is the main event of the first of Showtime Pay-Per-View’s two three-bout blocks Saturday night (7 p.m. ET/4 p.m. PT; $74.95).

“This whole thing is a setup for the Charlos to become some kind of a dual pay-per-view threat,” DiBella said. “But if Sergiy’s up all night a third time, believing that everything was set up against him, and he didn’t get a fair shake, in my mind, it’ll be horrible. I want the right guy to f--king win. But I know this is a super-competitive fight and either guy can win.”

Weisfeld is the only judge assigned to Charlo-Derevyanchenko who worked either the Golovkin-Derevyanchenko or Jacobs-Derevyanchenko bouts. He scored Jacobs a 115-112 winner of their October 2018 fight at Madison Square Garden’s Hulu Theater in New York.

Tom Schreck scored Jacobs a 115-112 winner over Derevyanchenko as well. Julie Lederman scored that fight for Derevyanchenko, 114-113.

All three judges – Frank Lombardi (115-112), Eric Marlinski (115-112) and Kevin Morgan (114-113) – scored Golovkin the winner versus Derevyanchenko.

“I scored Sergiy and Danny Jacobs a draw,” DiBella said. “And the only reason I scored it a draw was because of the knockdown [in the first round]. There was one round I really couldn’t score. I had Sergiy up 6-5 in rounds, so it was a draw on my card. So, then I thought to myself, he needs to pick this up against Golovkin. He did and really couldn’t have picked it up anymore. At the end of the fight, honestly, everybody in the ring, including Triple-G, knew that Sergiy got the better of him. I don’t care what ringside observers thought, because I was looking in Golovkin’s face.”
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Charlo vs Derevyanchenko predictions, picks, who wins the fight?

Scott Christ

I truly believe Derevyanchenko is the best fighter Jermall Charlo will have faced to date, and by a lot, and I don’t say that as a “hater” toward Jermall. I don’t think he’s fought “bums” exclusively. I think his wins over Austin Trout and Julian Williams at 154 were quite good, and that he’s been clearly physically impressive at 160, even without top opponents. (And being fair to him, it’s as much political as anything, at least in my view.)

Sergiy Derevyanchenko is by far the best opponent he had available for a 2020 bout, and it’s done. Derevyanchenko even abandoned an offer to go to 168 and fight Canelo Alvarez for this bout. He wants to win a world title. He is truly determined. And he’s a really, really good fighter, who arguably should have beaten Daniel Jacobs, Gennadiy Golovkin, or both.

I think he’s better than Charlo, too. I think he’s much more sound mechanically, and as much as that, I don’t think Jermall has the “right” mind set to try and use his jab and length; furthermore, even if he did, Derevyanchenko is going to get inside and force a fight at some point.

And I think he’s going to deserve to win. And I believe they’re going to job the poor guy, and he’ll wind up 0-3 in world title fights, frustrated beyond belief. I really think Derevyanchenko is going to deserve this fight something like 8-4 or 9-3, and that he’s going to get the shaft. And again, it’s not that I don’t think Charlo’s a good fighter, I just think the style matchup favors Derevyanchenko. It won’t be enough, though. I kind of hate to predict a robbery, but I’m also not going to pretend I’ve never seen boxing. My feeling is Derevyanchenko absolutely has to press for a stoppage if he’s going to win this fight, and I do think Jermall is good enough to avoid being stopped. Charlo UD-12

Wil Esco

Sergiy Derevyanchenko clearly gave Gennadiy Golovkin a run for his money in his last outing, which is no small task. But how much did that fight take out of the 34-year-old Derevyanchenko? I’m guessing it took at least something, and that alone could be enough for an older fighter going against a fresh opponent. Derevyanchenko could certainly do damage if he’s able to stay in his preferred range, but I think Charlo will be ready to counteract that with just enough athletic ability to offset Derevyanchenko’s timing.

Styles makes fights, as they say, and this isn’t going to be like Derevyanchenko’s matchup against Golovkin but I bet it’ll be close just the same. Charlo will almost certainly to have to survive some tough moments from Derevyanchenko, and if he’s able to I think that he’ll be able to score enough points to squeak out a close decision. Charlo SD-12

Patrick L. Stumberg

Speaking as someone who’s been a stalwart GGG fan since he blew up Grzegorz Proksa, Sergiy Derevyanchenko absolutely won that fight. Even if you disagree, holding his own in a vicious infight against even a faded Golovkin deserves your respect.

That kind of effort wins him this fight.

“The Technician” is far and away the strongest middleweight Charlo has yet faced, and though the latter has an even more significant height and reach disadvantage than he did against Golovkin, I’m not convinced Charlo has the skill or temperament to keep him at the end of his jab. When they inevitably meet in the pocket, Derevyanchenko figures to be craftier and more technically sound, a gap that Charlo’s superior one-shot power isn’t enough to bridge.

I haven’t been on the wrong end of a 3-1 Staff Pick split in a while, so maybe this will rectify that. I could very easily see Charlo just being too big and strong for Derevyanchenko, but stranger things have happened this summer. Derevyanchenko SD-12

Lewis Watson

This is a cracker. Deciding how to watch a Stateside fight as a Brit is forever a conundrum, weighing up the stay up vs. wake up vs. try and get a replay in the morning without a spoiler triple-threat match of options. This is a stay up kind of fight, and it’s baffling and depressing in equal amounts how the major broadcasters in the UK have turned their back on it (FYI, FITE TV are streaming it for £14.99).

It’s about time Jermall was tested in a real fight. Credit where credit’s due, but it’s overdue. We really don’t know how good Big Charlo can be at middleweight, but the eye test suggests it’s a healthy weight for the WBC champion*. He’s patient, which can allow his opponent to outwork him, but this patience often pays off landing some heavy artillery when the opportunity presents itself.

Derevyanchenko has promised is a similar fight to the one against Golovkin last October. Whether this is possible from the 34-year-old is to be seen, but so is the toll that that war with GGG took on the body of the Ukrainian. Both losses to Jacobs and Golovkin were tight, debated, controversial, yet arguably avoidable. He tends to fade in the Championship rounds after emptying the tank in the middle stanzas, undoing the better work he does to get himself ahead on the cards. Derevyanchenko won’t be getting any favours from the judges.

I really like Derevyanchenko and it’s hard to pick against my urges of sentiment to see him become third time lucky. But I am going to. Charlo should be able to pick the classier, heavier shots and stifle the aggression of the challenger. 116-111 Charlo with a late knockdown. Charlo UD-12

And the staff winner is...

Jermall Charlo (3-1)!
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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derev wins the fight quite clearly by applying constant pressure.

judging will be a whole different story.

charlo by "controversial" split decision.

sadly.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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adislav123 wrote: 25 Sep 2020, 10:52 derev wins the fight quite clearly by applying constant pressure.

judging will be a whole different story.

charlo by "controversial" split decision.

sadly.
Unfortunately it's a very likely outcome. Hopefully Derev does too much to take it away from him.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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I’m as fanatical as I can be about Boxing but I’d rather put a match to $80 than for any part of it finding its way into Charlo wallet directly.

Ps- let’s stop with spinning yarn about how game Sergiy is. He’s had two big fights and he’s lost them both. He’s not upper rung material and never will be. PPV ? What’s the point of paying monthly for this crap when 2 mediocre bouts like this end up costing more. Nope. I’d rather read the round by round.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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The charlos could cure cancer and you'd hate. Boxers are overpaid, the gate is essential. I ain't buying it, shit I'm not even streaming it with the UFC going on, but it's the best boxing card this year.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Derevyanchenko won't win a decision in the USA over a top American boxer, whether he deserves it or not.

And I don't think he has the power to stop Charlo, who is difficult to land flush on anyway.

Charlo will win by decision, or possibly a quick referee stoppage.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Derevyanchenko is certainly battle tested but I am going to go with Charlo in this fight due to the size difference. I think Charlo will keep Derevyanchenko at range and wont allow himself to get into a phone booth type of fight. The Korobov fight only helped to mature Jemall's fighting style. I am predicting Charlo by late stoppage or wide decision.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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I’ll be impressed with Charlo if he beats Dev. I think he’s too basic but sometimes the strong fundamentals (I.e jab and right) plus physical strength win out. In any event...I’m picking dev close decision.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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caldo2025 wrote: 25 Sep 2020, 21:22 I’m as fanatical as I can be about Boxing but I’d rather put a match to $80 than for any part of it finding its way into Charlo wallet directly.

Ps- let’s stop with spinning yarn about how game Sergiy is. He’s had two big fights and he’s lost them both. He’s not upper rung material and never will be. PPV ? What’s the point of paying monthly for this crap when 2 mediocre bouts like this end up costing more. Nope. I’d rather read the round by round.
Splash Dick. Dude was robbed in both fights
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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The fight will be big pay day for Charlo, he will make $1.75 million which will increase more $2.5 million if pay-per-view buys highers than expected.

Derevyanchenko is guaranteed $500k apparently, but I think he'll receive more than that.

Derev took home a guaranteed $4m against GGG, which increased to over $5m..
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 26 Sep 2020, 10:28 The fight will be big pay day for Charlo, he will make $1.75 million which will increase more $2.5 million if pay-per-view buys highers than expected.

Derevyanchenko is guaranteed $500k apparently, but I think he'll receive more than that.

Derev took home a guaranteed $4m against GGG, which increased to over $5m..
Purses like this for fighters who have never been huge draws always surprise me.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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jujigatame wrote: 26 Sep 2020, 10:49
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 26 Sep 2020, 10:28 The fight will be big pay day for Charlo, he will make $1.75 million which will increase more $2.5 million if pay-per-view buys highers than expected.

Derevyanchenko is guaranteed $500k apparently, but I think he'll receive more than that.

Derev took home a guaranteed $4m against GGG, which increased to over $5m..
Purses like this for fighters who have never been huge draws always surprise me.
You on about Derev? When it's DAZN it's understandable, they're paying Jesse Fkin Vargas $3m per fight. :brick: :brick:

Prior to this the most Jermall has been paid is $750k against Hogan. Jermell has been paid $1m once, which was the Harrison rematch.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Derev deserves a solid pay day. He has been in competetive bouts against the two of the divisions top three fighters. Charlo is a champ here, but it's him, who has something to prove.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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DrDuke wrote: 26 Sep 2020, 11:31 Derev deserves a solid pay day. He has been in competetive bouts against the two of the divisions top three fighters. Charlo is a champ here, but it's him, who has something to prove.
Derev got minimum $462,500 against Jacobs (HBO)
up to $5m against GGG (DAZN)

But now minumum of $500k (Showtime)
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Goddamn DAZN throwing around ludicrous money.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Stats and Stakes

Jermall Charlo

Age: 30
Title: WBC middleweight (2019-Present, 2 Defenses; won interim belt in 2018)
Previous Titles: None
Height: 6’0
Weight: 159 ¾ lbs.
Stance: Orthodox
Hails from: Houston, Texas
Record: 30-0, 22 KO
Rankings: #3 (TBRB, Ring, Boxing Monthly, BoxRec), #4 (ESPN),
Record in Major Title Fights: 6-0, 4 KO (8-0, 5 KO including interim title fights)
Last Five Opponents: 132-10-3 (.921)
Current/Former World Champions/Titlists Faced: Cornelius Bundrage TKO3; Austin Trout UD12; Julian Williams KO5

vs.

Sergey Derevyanchenko

Age: 34
Titles/Previous Titles: None
Height: 5’9
Weight: 159 ½ lbs.
Stance: Orthodox
Hails from: Velyka Dymerka, Ukraine
Record: 13-2, 10 KO (37-3, 17 KO including World Series of Boxing Results)
Rankings: #2 (TBRB), #4 (Ring), #5 (ESPN, Boxing Monthly), #6 BoxRec
Record in Major Title Fights: 0-2
Last Five Opponents: 140-29-4 (.821)
Current/Former World Champions/Titlists Faced: Sam Soliman TKO2; Daniel Jacobs L12, Gennady Golovkin L12
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Has there been a better 13-3 fighter than Sergey?
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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margaret thatcher wrote: 27 Sep 2020, 00:54 Has there been a better 13-3 fighter than Sergey?
That record looks like an MMA record
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Charlo edged the fight, but the scorecards expectedly sucked. 117 card was too much for sure, while 118 is a total joke.
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Re: Jermall Charlo vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - September 26, 2020

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 27 Sep 2020, 01:54
margaret thatcher wrote: 27 Sep 2020, 00:54 Has there been a better 13-3 fighter than Sergey?
That record looks like an MMA record
It would be nice for boxing to normalize having records more like MMA records so long as the fighters are competitive and entertaining.
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