Round-by-Round: Charlo vs. Derevyanchenko | Charlo vs. Rosario - September 26, 2020

[marvelous marv]

7-4 charlo going to 12th round

[bobcatbox]

Looks like it'll be time for Canelo to decide "he doesn't need a belt." and vacate his WBA 160 strap if Mall becomes his mandatory.

Mall will probably have to chase him to 168 for the fight to happen. That fight could use a couple years to marinate.

[bobcatbox]

117-111 for Charlo.
Official scorecards could be closer. There were some close rounds that I felt Charlo carried with the uppercuts and jab.

[JxhDel.]

115 - 113 JC. Derevyachenko just rallied to the end like a shotgun.

[sykessta]

Let's see, Canelo GGG 3 against old GGG, who else has good name recognition but is over the hill that Canelo can fight? Not even sure if Canelo wants to wait a few years unless it's a farewell passing of the torch type fight since he'll be the older man.

[marvelous marv]

7-5 charlo for me. The right guy won. Derevyanchenko took a beating and was hurt several times.

[skanksta]

how SD took those blows and that damage and came back to win rounds...?!
10-2 Charlo for me - he outclassed Sergey better than the other 2. Seriously impressive tonight.

[sykessta]

Well seeing how close Derv fought Jacobs and GGG I thought any type of win for Charlo would solidify his place in the conversation for top MW. Who else is there for him to fight while fights with the big name guys like GGG Canelo etc. marinates? What's up with Andrade? He's held a belt for a minute hasn't he? Why has nobody fought him? I'm sure with 3 losses now Jacobs would be willing to put himself in to test Jermall. Probably a good payday too.

[lazboy]

I'm impressed that Charlo is a decent and a tough fighter but hes by no means special. I had the fight much closer and could argue a draw or 7-5 Charlo.

Excellent fight though. Great contrast of styles. Impressive performances by both, was great to see.

[lazboy]

I believe Canelo won't have too many problems with him.

[sykessta]

I believe Canelo won't have too many problems with him.

Yea. Guess I'd reckon if a past prime GGG can beat the same guy that Charlo just beat. And an almost prime GGG was very close with Canelo. (thought I thought GGG edged it.) By that logic Canelo (who is about the same form if not a little better than his fights with GGG), should be able to beat Charlo then. What I'm trying to say is Charlo<Prime GGG.

[squiggy]

At least, the judges would score it as though he hadn't had trouble with him.

[bobcatbox]

Let's see, Canelo GGG 3 against old GGG, who else has good name recognition but is over the hill that Canelo can fight? Not even sure if Canelo wants to wait a few years unless it's a farewell passing of the torch type fight since he'll be the older man.

I don’t think GGG3 is going to happen. He wants to fight at 168.

There are good fights for him there.
I’d like to see him go:
John Ryder (late 2020)
BJS (post-COVID)
Callum Smith
Murata in Japan

[margaret thatcher]

Canelo isnt a ducker, look at who he's fought

[lazboy]

I also feel Canelo has no reason to duck Charlo in terms of skills comparison. Not saying Charlo doesn't have decent to very good skills, I believe Canelo is on another level (without being dramatic).

[sykessta]

Canelo isnt a ducker, look at who he's fought

Not frequently no I'll give him that. But 2015-2016, when GGG was knocking everybody out and Canelo vacated his WBC MW title was about as blatant as it gets. Him and Oscar definitely carefully timed until they saw GGG was just past it. Fought Khan at 155 instead and then JCC Jr. in a cash grab fight.

[lazboy]

Canelo isnt a ducker, look at who he's fought

Not frequently no I'll give him that. But 2015-2016, when GGG was knocking everybody out and Canelo vacated his WBC MW title was about as blatant as it gets. Him and Oscar definitely carefully timed until they saw GGG was just past it. Fought Khan at 155 instead and then JCC Jr. in a cash grab fight.

Those are the facts and perhaps why Canelo has had persist issue with golden boy since this time.

[sykessta]

Let's see, Canelo GGG 3 against old GGG, who else has good name recognition but is over the hill that Canelo can fight? Not even sure if Canelo wants to wait a few years unless it's a farewell passing of the torch type fight since he'll be the older man.

I don’t think GGG3 is going to happen. He wants to fight at 168.

There are good fights for him there.
I’d like to see him go:
John Ryder (late 2020)
BJS (post-COVID)
Callum Smith
Murata in Japan

They were talking that Jaime Munguia when he hopped on the scene a couple years ago after knocking Sadam Ali out. Was supposed to be GGG's opponent between first and second Canelo fights. Think GGG may have somewhat dodged a bullet there. Not saying he would've beat G but wouldn't have been as easy of a stay busy type fight as they were planning. He's with GB. Think they will build him up and have him fight Canelo possibly at some point.

[sykessta]

Canelo isnt a ducker, look at who he's fought

Not frequently no I'll give him that. But 2015-2016, when GGG was knocking everybody out and Canelo vacated his WBC MW title was about as blatant as it gets. Him and Oscar definitely carefully timed until they saw GGG was just past it. Fought Khan at 155 instead and then JCC Jr. in a cash grab fight.

Those are the facts and perhaps why Canelo has had persist issue with golden boy since this time.

Why? Because there are no money fights left or because you believe he wanted the fight and Oscar wouldn't let him?

[marvelous marv]

Canelo's WBC franchise will ultimately force him to deal with Jermall Charlo at 160, Benevidez at 168 or Beterbiev at 175

[lazboy]

Not frequently no I'll give him that. But 2015-2016, when GGG was knocking everybody out and Canelo vacated his WBC MW title was about as blatant as it gets. Him and Oscar definitely carefully timed until they saw GGG was just past it. Fought Khan at 155 instead and then JCC Jr. in a cash grab fight.

Those are the facts and perhaps why Canelo has had persist issue with golden boy since this time.

Why? Because there are no money fights left or because you believe he wanted the fight and Oscar wouldn't let him?

I feel like he was persuaded not to fight, yes. I believe he would have fought Golovkin but ultimately he made the decision not to, based on risk v reward not the best fighting the best (The fans suffered as a result we could have had a great trilogy). He has to live with it. Those fights with khan and chavez were farcical.

[sykessta]

Those are the facts and perhaps why Canelo has had persist issue with golden boy since this time.

Why? Because there are no money fights left or because you believe he wanted the fight and Oscar wouldn't let him?

I feel like he was persuaded not to fight, yes. I believe he would have fought Golovkin but ultimately he made the decision not to, based on risk v reward not the best fighting the best (The fans suffered as a result we could have had a great trilogy). He has to live with it. Those fights with khan and chavez were farcical.

If he would have fought GGG in 2016 GGG would have won even more convincingly and there would have been no way for them to gift Canelo a draw like in 2017 without major uproar from the fans. May not have been quite as bad as Pac Brad 1, but would have been reminiscent. I know Canelo Chavez did like 1mil buys in the US, and yea in 2017 GGG Canelo did 1.3, so I'm not even sure in 16 it would have even done as many as Canelo Chavez Jr.

[Boxing Prospect]

These intermission guys look like the guys from The Modern Rogue

[margaret thatcher]

do lions actually live in the jungle lol?

[JxhDel.]

38 - 38 Roman Payano so far. JCP is on fire