Steve Collins v Joe Calzaghe SMW rethought

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Bodyshot3
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Steve Collins v Joe Calzaghe SMW rethought

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This one still intrigues me more than a little.

The Dubliner - at the end of a tough but successful career - famously said "thanks, but no thanks" to a defence against the hot, undefeated property that was Joe Calzaghe in 1998.

I did not begrudge Steve that for a moment.

He'd fought nearly everyone out there - quite often on the road - and his attritional style had a shelf-life and especially for a guy who was already into his thirties. He had paid his dues and some :salut:

Why get punched hard in the face by someone as potentially dangerous as the much-younger, southpaw Calzaghe and also for a comparatively modest pay cheque? The risks were high, the rewards relatively slim.

But here is the thing.....what if Collins had vacated the title, taken a much-needed rest and recouped. And then revisited a Calzaghe who had the title and who was also a far more commercially viable opponent?

Joe was far from the finished article in a window after the Eubank win - he sometimes badly disappointed in defences and Rob Reid took him very close indeed - so what does a rested, reinvograted Collins do in say late 1999 or early 2000 when Joe is still to a degree learning all the ropes to be a champion?

I think he takes Joe very close indeed and it is a very rough as you like night for the Welsh superstar.
Collins was brutally strong, seasoned and determined and he got himself into fights and often confounded the experts who pontificated that he was too crude and booked for a beating.

If we stretch the case some more .... the fight ends up in Dublin, outside at Croke Park and Collins is being roared on?
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Re: Steve Collins v Joe Calzaghe SMW rethought

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Calzaghe still wins by late stoppage...
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Re: Steve Collins v Joe Calzaghe SMW rethought

Post by Noxy »

Good post there Bodyshot, I‘ve said on here a few times that Collins is underrated on this forum. I‘ve also said before that he gives Joe a harder fight than Chris did because he would bring more intensity. Joe also said he had a really hard time with Eubank.

I think Collins gives him an even harder time but still comes up short on points. Calzaghe was a unique fighter with his speed, versatility and awkwardness. Not too many would have beaten him.
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Re: Steve Collins v Joe Calzaghe SMW rethought

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I’d go Joe UD something like 116-112 but a really good fight
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Thanks guys; appreciate the contributions :salut:

It is a bit complicated and I was also a bit long-winded......

....but I think Calzaghe would have beaten Steve if the planned fight had gone ahead at the time and Collins was smart and backed his gut and said I don't need this.

But a year later, with Collins refreshed and the fight worth a great deal more financially and in terms of status I think he pushes Joe very hard indeed. Joe did not settle into being a champ (initially) all that convincingly.

An outdoor, away from home fight in Dublin would also have been a huge challenge for Joe at that juncture.

Collins always fares fairly badly in the mythicals but he was far more effective than he is generally credited with.
I am going for Calzaghe via SD in the delayed fight but it is so close a rematch is called for.
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Re: Steve Collins v Joe Calzaghe SMW rethought

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Calzaghe by UD (9-3 or 8-4)
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Steve was tough, but I never saw him as the skillful type, he'd try to wear you down and fought with a lot of passion I'll give him that.
Calzaghe was a very good all round boxer and seemed to be able to read his opponents well.
They breed them tough down there in South Wales.
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Re: Steve Collins v Joe Calzaghe SMW rethought

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You make a good point Evander :salut:

Joe had all that boxing ability and a high work-rate too but his physical and mental toughness was a big part of the overall package as well. Eubank and Hopkins asked some questions in this area and ultimately drew a blank.

You would need that against Collins too who had the knack of bullying a round off guys who were hoping for a break and constantly seeing whether they were completely up for it.

The Calzaghe "shack in the woods" training regime and the hill running was a big factor in Joe's success.
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