The best pound-for-pound boxers of all time

[Enlightened-One]

"The best pound-for-pound boxers of all time"

25. Sandy Saddler
24. Rocky Marciano
23. George Foreman
22. Julio Cesar Chavez
21. Jack Dempsey
20. Gene Tunney
19. Barney Ross
18. Joe Gans
17. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
16. Pernell Whitaker
15. Archie Moore
14. Ezzard Charles
13. Manny Pacquiao
12. Sam Langford
11. Jack Johnson
10. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
8. Benny Leonard
7. Joe Louis
6. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep
4. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
2. Muhammad Ali
1. Sugar Ray Robinson

Thoughts?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Moore higher, hagler lower.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Charles higher

[Duran1970]

Langford and Gans should get more respect

[Onetimeonly]

Terrible

[giacomino]

Hagler at 10 but no Monzon As in a lot of lists, weighted toward guys who won heavyweight belt, and US boxers

[gilgamesh]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sam Langford
3. Harry Greb
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Willie Pep
7. Roberto Duran
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Archie Moore
10. Sugar Ray Leonard
11. Joe Louis
12. Benny Leonard
13. Gene Tunney
14. Mickey Walker
15. Barney Ross
16. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
17. Joe Gans
18. Charley Burley
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Sandy Saddler
21. Ike Williams
22. Manny Pacquiao
23. Thomas Hearns
24. Tony Canzoneri
25. Bob Fitzsimmons

[Onetimeonly]

Nice list, Ike too high for me. But nothing outrageous.

[1okstcsb]

I wonder if Laszlo Papp could be on this list, He won The Gold Medal in 3 Olympics, 1948-1952-1956, Turned Pro after age 30 was 27-0 with 2 draws as a Pro, but his Government did not let him box anymore when he was to fight for the title, he beat a lot of fighters with good records and/or a lot of wins (I Never heard of any of them though) as a Pro obviously he cant be on an all time list having never fought for a title, but if he were from a country that supported Pro Boxing and they had let him turn Pro after his First Gold meaning early 20's and had a good support team to get him the best Pro Training (Which he almost certainly did not have in Hungary) Oh well coulda, Woulda, Shoulda, but didn't.

I would argue Winning a Gold Medal is harder than Winning A World Title, especially now with 17 weight divisions and 4 Champions per Weight and some good Boxing Countries not allowing fighters to turn Pro like Cuba (The Cuban fighters in Boxing had to Defect first to turn Pro) Back then Many Countries like the Soviet Union, that had excellent Boxers were in the Olympics but were not allowed to turn Pro

[nickfriedl]

Monzon No.2

[gilgamesh]

On that initial post I don't really see any argument for putting Pacquiao ahead of Mayweather.

[tiny_acres]

On that initial post I don't really see any argument for putting Pacquiao ahead of Mayweather.

X2

[margaret thatcher]

If you don't have ryan garcia there then you're a hater

[margaret thatcher]

manny obviously should be lower than floyd, i think for a lot of people it's painful to put floyd ahead, so they dont

[gilgamesh]

If you don't have ryan garcia there then you're a hater

Not sure he'd be Top 25 right now. At least not yet. Though he certainly shows great potential.

[lazboy]

If you don't have ryan garcia there then you're a hater

Lmao.

[margaret thatcher]

If you don't have ryan garcia there then you're a hater

Not sure he'd be Top 25 right now. At least not yet. Though he certainly shows great potential.

well he has a hot social media game, that must put him at least in the top 10 p4p

how many twitter followers did ray robinson or sam langford have?

[lazboy]

If you don't have ryan garcia there then you're a hater

Not sure he'd be Top 25 right now. At least not yet. Though he certainly shows great potential.

well he has a hot social media game, that must put him at least in the top 10 p4p

how many twitter followers did ray robinson or sam langford have?

Very true, that’s important. Current gen fighters are just better these days too. Heaps better graphics and 4K. The past gen fighters fought in black and white and in 30 frames per second.

[Counter-puncher]

Not sure he'd be Top 25 right now. At least not yet. Though he certainly shows great potential.

well he has a hot social media game, that must put him at least in the top 10 p4p

how many twitter followers did ray robinson or sam langford have?

Very true, that’s important. Current gen fighters are just better these days too. Heaps better graphics and 4K. The past gen fighters fought in black and white and in 30 frames per second.

[IKSRTFO]

On that initial post I don't really see any argument for putting Pacquiao ahead of Mayweather.

The fact he started at flyweight and was even in the conversation with Floyd at welter.

[gilgamesh]

On that initial post I don't really see any argument for putting Pacquiao ahead of Mayweather.

The fact he started at flyweight and was even in the conversation with Floyd at welter.

I don't feel like he belongs too terribly far below Floyd, but not above him.

Aside from Floyd beating him head to head you also got Juan Manuel Marquez who gave him hell every time out, and Floyd basically blanked him easily.

Floyd just has a better career overall to me, they're not world's apart, but the edge has to go to Floyd.

[IKSRTFO]

On that initial post I don't really see any argument for putting Pacquiao ahead of Mayweather.

The fact he started at flyweight and was even in the conversation with Floyd at welter.

I don't feel like he belongs too terribly far below Floyd, but not above him.

Aside from Floyd beating him head to head you also got Juan Manuel Marquez who gave him hell every time out, and Floyd basically blanked him easily.

Floyd just has a better career overall to me, they're not world's apart, but the edge has to go to Floyd.

I think Pacquiao had the better career also considering what even moved up to welter. To me, It's the equivalent of Floyd moving up to middleweight and then super middle and becoming a force there.

[H8Usernames]

Who beats who.

P4P

#1. Roy Jones Jr

As far as accomplishment goes he also belongs pretty high on that list. Olympic gold medal. Capturing a Hw title. Making Vinny Paz look like a soft opponent. Not getting hit by James Toney for 12 rounds and even knocking him down. Giving BHop a beating. Knocking out Virgil Hill. Scoring an easy victory over Jorge Castro. Beating Antonio Tarver. Beating Reggie Johnson in mismatch fashion. Going down to 170 to show that he really wasnt even ever a big Lhw.

Haters will hate though.

[oogiebe]

Who beats who.

P4P

#1. Roy Jones Jr

As far as accomplishment goes he also belongs pretty high on that list. Olympic gold medal. Capturing a Hw title. Making Vinny Paz look like a soft opponent. Not getting hit by James Toney for 12 rounds and even knocking him down. Giving BHop a beating. Knocking out Virgil Hill. Scoring an easy victory over Jorge Castro. Beating Antonio Tarver. Beating Reggie Johnson in mismatch fashion. Going down to 170 to show that he really wasnt even ever a big Lhw.

Haters will hate though.

and lovers will love, apparently.

[gilgamesh]

The fact he started at flyweight and was even in the conversation with Floyd at welter.

I don't feel like he belongs too terribly far below Floyd, but not above him.

Aside from Floyd beating him head to head you also got Juan Manuel Marquez who gave him hell every time out, and Floyd basically blanked him easily.

Floyd just has a better career overall to me, they're not world's apart, but the edge has to go to Floyd.

I think Pacquiao had the better career also considering what even moved up to welter. To me, It's the equivalent of Floyd moving up to middleweight and then super middle and becoming a force there.

It is interesting to wonder if their careers would be measured differently if Mayweather had the loss against Castillo officially recorded against him.