jameswilson wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 10:43
They all came out the woodwork for Frampton v Quigg. Not sure I saw Blaine in any fights previous or since.
Although in saying that Eddie Hearn said it was mostly Blaine that he was negotiating things with as Barry would just be too stubborn, bitter and long in the tooth.
Bazza never dealt with the negotiations at all.
he said so in his evidence to the court, so we can take his word for that.
You’re legally required to hold financial for 6-7 years - Mcguigan could be struck off again for not being able to show the documents.
The £300k seems really dodgy.
I read Barry’s autobiography last summer and he came across as a good man - this is making me think otherwise. It’s a shame as his family are all clearly hard workers!
I feel a bit sorry for Shane - whilst he had a head start in the sport he’s got a strong reputation now in his own right.
Anyone who has been to court in any capacity other than as one of the legal bods - and even then it's not a given - will appreciate that you very seldom come out looking good even when you are wholly innocent. It's a crappy place to be and not somewhere you want to end up if you can at all help it. Not the best way of sorting a dispute in my opinion.
JimStone wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 15:44
Anyone who has been to court in any capacity other than as one of the legal bods - and even then it's not a given - will appreciate that you very seldom come out looking good even when you are wholly innocent. It's a crappy place to be and not somewhere you want to end up if you can at all help it. Not the best way of sorting a dispute in my opinion.
Spot on mate. I won in family court earlier this year in a case i brought against my girls' mum and I would not rush back to repeat the experience. Thankfully i represented myself and kept the costs to a minimum, the other side spent a fortune and still lost. Me and my girls won, the solicitor for the other side certainly won as well, at £200 an hour. I saw first hand how solicitors will egg on their client pointlessly, and make things unnecessarily malicious. I walked away winning, to the solicitor it is just another lucrative case, but my ex lost badly and came off far worse than if she'd just taken part in the mediation process that you have to try first, before court. I would avoid a commercial dispute in court at all costs, if I could. You have to be totally at peace with the idea that the Judge is going to make a decision for you, which is binding, which you may not like. You also have to get it through your head that the Judge won't see the situation as you see it. Court is indeed a crappy place to be. One thing is for sure, one of these two parties is going to have a life changing experience, for the worst, when the Judge makes his/her decision. Brinksmanship gets you into court convinced you'll win but they are called Judges for a reason and they dance to their own tune.
JimStone wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 15:44
Anyone who has been to court in any capacity other than as one of the legal bods - and even then it's not a given - will appreciate that you very seldom come out looking good even when you are wholly innocent. It's a crappy place to be and not somewhere you want to end up if you can at all help it. Not the best way of sorting a dispute in my opinion.
Spot on mate. I won in family court earlier this year in a case i brought against my girls' mum and I would not rush back to repeat the experience. Thankfully i represented myself and kept the costs to a minimum, the other side spent a fortune and still lost. Me and my girls won, the solicitor for the other side certainly won as well, at £200 an hour. I saw first hand how solicitors will egg on their client pointlessly, and make things unnecessarily malicious. I walked away winning, to the solicitor it is just another lucrative case, but my ex lost badly and came off far worse than if she'd just taken part in the mediation process that you have to try first, before court. I would avoid a commercial dispute in court at all costs, if I could. You have to be totally at peace with the idea that the Judge is going to make a decision for you, which is binding, which you may not like. You also have to get it through your head that the Judge won't see the situation as you see it. Court is indeed a crappy place to be. One thing is for sure, one of these two parties is going to have a life changing experience, for the worst, when the Judge makes his/her decision. Brinksmanship gets you into court convinced you'll win but they are called Judges for a reason and they dance to their own tune.
Very good post. It's probably even worse when you're in the public eye too, although that's their own doing, of course. You only have to look at this thread to see all the snide comments and insinuations from people with nothing better to do. It's sad really.
JimStone wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 15:44
Anyone who has been to court in any capacity other than as one of the legal bods - and even then it's not a given - will appreciate that you very seldom come out looking good even when you are wholly innocent. It's a crappy place to be and not somewhere you want to end up if you can at all help it. Not the best way of sorting a dispute in my opinion.
I read Barry’s autobiography last summer and he came across as a good man - this is making me think otherwise. It’s a shame as his family are all clearly hard workers!
I read Barry’s autobiography last summer and he came across as a good man - this is making me think otherwise. It’s a shame as his family are all clearly hard workers!
Just another thing that must have slipped Bazza’s mind mate. Busy man.
The details might be lost with his Mrs’ little cotton socks that she worked off.
I got told about 8 or so years ago that Barry was a loan shark and into all sorts of shenanigans. The boxing folk I actually know all talk bad of him. Never heard any mention of cotton socks tho. Which surprises me.
And the sad part is , no matter the outcome , in the future he will still be able to talk future boxers to sign up with him , They will just not take heed of what he is , the name the McGigan will just ensure they see stars in there eyes , after they listen to his bullshit .
2 things are blatanly obvious one the whole familly are leaches , who have been living off boxers and 2 Frampton is a bit stupid , or at least he was , took him a while but he cottoned on in the end .
The details might be lost with his Mrs’ little cotton socks that she worked off.
I got told about 8 or so years ago that Barry was a loan shark and into all sorts of shenanigans. The boxing folk I actually know all talk bad of him. Never heard any mention of cotton socks tho. Which surprises me.
I’ve always been disposed to think well of McGuigan, like with many on here the Pedrosa fight and the few after were a massive part of getting me into boxing. I’d reserve judgement on anything that isn’t a matter of established legal fact, and of course his own words, where he’s ticked off just about every single box on the ‘dodgy client answers’ list. The taxman knocking Framptons door for 300k unpaid VAT (I think it was) was the first major red flag I remember coming out. At the very best there’s a shambolic nature to the way his company ran, if we take him at his word, but for a man of his experience who’s been through the situations he has, i really struggle to take him at his word of professed ignorance. The profile of his behaviours has just got great big honking sirens going on this one, albeit as a said earlier I have no doubt we won’t be and the courts won’t be privy to all the facts.
coneye wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 17:59
Frampton is a bit stupid , or at least he was , took him a while but he cottoned on in the end .
I imagine his appointment of a new accountant went down well with the McGuigans and may not have been unconnected to Framptons growing unease, either as symptom or cause.
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 14:28
I feel a bit sorry for Shane - whilst he had a head start in the sport he’s got a strong reputation now in his own right.
Thanks again Ruthless for article.
Is he really that good though ? With the caliber of talent he’s been given.
maverick23 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 14:28
I feel a bit sorry for Shane - whilst he had a head start in the sport he’s got a strong reputation now in his own right.
Thanks again Ruthless for article.
Is he really that good though ? With the caliber of talent he’s been given.
Well , when your handed top level guys to work with , you would have to be pretty bad to make a complete hash of it , so the proof will be if we ever see him start someone off from the beginning , instead of being the lucky house trainer
Barry McGuigan received more than 20% of the £2.4m paid out following a pay per view Carl Frampton title fight, the High Court was told on Tuesday..
Mr McGuigan, on the stand for a third day, was questioned over payments from the February 2016 bout with Scott Quigg, which Mr Frampton won to claim both the WBA and IBF super bantamweight belts.
Gavin Millar QC, for Mr Frampton, asked Mr McGuigan why his client was not paid until 10 months after the bout and about tens of thousands of pounds in expenses for which it is alleged no documentation was provided.
"It would have been discussed with him," Mr McGuigan told the court, which also heard the defendant agreeing that he was an "accessory" to "doing wrong to the US tax authorities" over Mr Frampton's first US fight.
I'm guessing this didn't include how much he paid Shane for his training fees. other expenses, meals, etc..
Who knows what other expenses there are..
Quigg was paid guaranteed disclosed sum of £500k, then got a percentage of ppv revenue add-ons. It didn't do great numbers, but he probably did get paid more than Frampton..
The only people who will make money out of this case is the lawyers on both sides who will keep the case going as long they can to make money I personally have a very dim view of solicitors and lawyers they are very clever manipulative people who in my experience I have found to be financially very rich but morally bankrupt
spudder56 wrote: ↑14 Oct 2020, 05:13
The only people who will make money out of this case is the lawyers on both sides who will keep the case going as long they can to make money I personally have a very dim view of solicitors and lawyers they are very clever manipulative people who in my experience I have found to be financially very rich but morally bankrupt
Huge generalisation. Come and attend your local Magistrates' Court and see how hard legal aid solicitors work for such poor rates. Its no fun and you wont find evidence of the manipulation you talk about.
Commercial lawyers at huge firms might be different.
Easy to slag lawyers but if you get nicked and wrongly accused of something the first thing youd want is a solicitor to help you out. At the police station that representation is free to all.
At the end of the day, Frampton and McGuigan pushed this to court. Its their decision.
Bazza never dealt with the negotiations at all. 
