Loma won't be knocking him out.giacomino wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 19:19Not sure it will last as long as Leonard-Green. A couple of years from now this would be a competitive fight maybeThomastearns wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 15:59 “Two years ago I told people that we were going to take Lomachenko’s head off, because he is a lying champion,” Lopez Sr. said, via Boxing Scene. “He has never faced a fighter like my son. We come very hungry … In March or April of 2020, we will end Lomachenko and we will end him in less than five rounds. … And if he beats Lomachenko, he can be considered the No. 1 pound per pound in the world. We are going to do it.”
Lopez snr. seemed to be confident last December. I wonder how he feels now?
I still expect Lopez to be on the end of the best boxing lesson since Dave 'Boy' Green faced off against Sugar Ray Leonard.
As Lopez won't be planning to outbox Loma this could be a real cracker.
Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
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The Ring Fight Picks: Vasiliy Lomachenko-Teofimo Lopez
TOM GRAY: LOMACHENKO MD
“I think Lomachenko’s incredible skills are a touch less important in this fight than his championship experience. Lopez is a brilliant fighter, and the sky’s the limit no matter which way this fight goes. Unfortunately, I just don’t think he’s had enough big fights to pull off the upset. Loma is in a different dimension from Commey and the challenger will feel that difference within the opening seconds. But as much as I’m painting doom and gloom for Lopez, I still believe that he will have big moments this fight. I can see him breaking through to hurt Lomachenko and we may even see the pound-for-pound star on the floor. I just don’t think Lopez will be able to keep him there. The MD pick is there because I foresee a dumb scorecard – call it a hunch.”
ANSON WAINWRIGHT: LOMACHENKO UD
“Youth versus experience, sublime skills versus raw power, but that’s not to say Lopez isn’t a terrific boxer, too. Lopez was adamant that he wanted Lomachenko – now he gets to face him and see what all the fuss is about. The old adage, ‘Be careful what you wish for’ springs to mind, he’s poked the bear and that’s dangerous. I think we’ll see Lomachenko box out of his skin. Lopez is too good not to have his moments, but he’ll be a step behind and drop a decision, something like eight rounds to four, which translates to 116-112. Lopez will learn from the 12 rounds with Lomachenko and be a better fighter going forward.”
LEE GROVES: LOMACHENKO UD
“When Lopez first brought up this fight most observers rightly thought it to be premature but now “V-Lo versus T-Lo” is arguably the year’s most anticipated fight thanks to Lopez’s scintillating title-winning performance against Richard Commey. Lopez is bigger, stronger, much younger, hits harder and possesses enormous self-belief. I think Lopez’s best chance will come in the first three rounds because Lopez’s power will be at its zenith and because Lomachenko will (1) be trying to shake off nearly 14 months of ring rust and (2) will still be assessing exactly what is in front of him. If Lomachenko gets past that point without sustaining significant damage, I believe his fusion of intelligence, experience, otherworldly technique, work rate, footwork and left-handedness will frustrate, and ultimately outpoint, Lopez.”
RON BORGES: LOMACHENKO UD
“Lomachenko has forgotten more about boxing than young Lopez knows, which will be Lopez’s undoing. This fight will unfold much like the Alvarez-Mayweather fight did. Lopez will come in with great fire and the confidence of youth but after a few rounds of punching at steam disappearing in front of his eyes he will begin to be hit in ways and from angles he never knew existed. While Lomachenko is beginning to show the signs of age and best be careful early in the fight and late, when Lopez will become desperately frustrated, his technical skills and superior footwork will allow him to prevail convincingly. The one caveat is what can always happen in boxing. I was in the arena the night Kostya Tszyu turned old midway through a fight with Ricky Hatton and ended up quitting on his stool. That can happen to any aging fighter with a lot of wear and tear on him, and Lomachenko is one. But he doesn’t seem as far gone as Tszyu was that night in Manchester, England. Lomachenko 117-111 but the judges will make it a little closer because, well, it’s what they do these days.”
MARTY MULCAHEY: LOMACHENKO UD
“There is a progression boxers must take before tackling an elite opponent, and I do not believe Teofimo has gone through those steps. I admire his ambition, but it is too soon for Teofimo to face Lomachenko. He has not even been tested against a top 10 southpaw yet. Teofimo’s speed and hyperactivity wins the first two rounds, but from that point forward Lomachenko begins to time him and find holes in an increasingly frustrated Lopez. Lomachenko’s angles and quickness will negate Lopez’s size and reach advantage, drawing Lopez towards him and those expertly placed jabs and hooks. It won’t be one-way traffic, but as the rounds ratchet up Teofimo looks for one-punch bombs that Loma evades and builds points against with counters. I see a unanimous decision victory for Lomachenko in the 116-112 range.”
MICHAEL MONTERO: LOMACHENKO UD
“Experience matters. Lomachenko and Lopez both have 15 professional fights, but against a very different level of opposition. Even before turning pro, Loma had over 400+ fights in the amateurs and the World Series of Boxing. He’s seen every fighter style several times over, while Lopez is making a huge leap in opposition against the Ukrainian. I expect the veteran to use his superior footwork and angles to keep Lopez off balance. Loma will win a unanimous decision, probably in the 116-112 range.”
GARETH A. DAVIES: LOMACHENKO UD
“This will be Vasiliy Lomachenko’s toughest fight. He will play matador to Teofimo Lopez’s bullish style, and we will be regally entertained. Loma can lose this fight against a naturally bigger, very aggressive fighter who gives no respite. However, Teo will be hit more, and more accurately, even harder, than he has been hit before. It is a great fight. Lomachenko on points 116-112 after a very tough first third of the contest.”
NORM FRAUENHEIM: LOMACHENKO UD
“It’s a fight loaded with angles. Lomachenko has more of them. Lomachenko’s brilliant mastery of the ring’s geometry figures to be the difference, especially in the later rounds against the younger Teofimo Lopez. The danger for Lomachenko rests in the opening rounds. That’s when Lopez, 23, could hurt the 32-year-old Lomachenko, whose smarts and proven pain tolerance are sure signs he’ll survive the early assault. The Ukrainian has endured injuries to his shoulder and his hands. He has faced, and conquered, the adversity. There will be some – maybe plenty, but not enough to beat him in a compelling fight that ends with Lomachenko winning by two to three points on the cards.”
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TOM GRAY: LOMACHENKO MD
“I think Lomachenko’s incredible skills are a touch less important in this fight than his championship experience. Lopez is a brilliant fighter, and the sky’s the limit no matter which way this fight goes. Unfortunately, I just don’t think he’s had enough big fights to pull off the upset. Loma is in a different dimension from Commey and the challenger will feel that difference within the opening seconds. But as much as I’m painting doom and gloom for Lopez, I still believe that he will have big moments this fight. I can see him breaking through to hurt Lomachenko and we may even see the pound-for-pound star on the floor. I just don’t think Lopez will be able to keep him there. The MD pick is there because I foresee a dumb scorecard – call it a hunch.”
ANSON WAINWRIGHT: LOMACHENKO UD
“Youth versus experience, sublime skills versus raw power, but that’s not to say Lopez isn’t a terrific boxer, too. Lopez was adamant that he wanted Lomachenko – now he gets to face him and see what all the fuss is about. The old adage, ‘Be careful what you wish for’ springs to mind, he’s poked the bear and that’s dangerous. I think we’ll see Lomachenko box out of his skin. Lopez is too good not to have his moments, but he’ll be a step behind and drop a decision, something like eight rounds to four, which translates to 116-112. Lopez will learn from the 12 rounds with Lomachenko and be a better fighter going forward.”
LEE GROVES: LOMACHENKO UD
“When Lopez first brought up this fight most observers rightly thought it to be premature but now “V-Lo versus T-Lo” is arguably the year’s most anticipated fight thanks to Lopez’s scintillating title-winning performance against Richard Commey. Lopez is bigger, stronger, much younger, hits harder and possesses enormous self-belief. I think Lopez’s best chance will come in the first three rounds because Lopez’s power will be at its zenith and because Lomachenko will (1) be trying to shake off nearly 14 months of ring rust and (2) will still be assessing exactly what is in front of him. If Lomachenko gets past that point without sustaining significant damage, I believe his fusion of intelligence, experience, otherworldly technique, work rate, footwork and left-handedness will frustrate, and ultimately outpoint, Lopez.”
RON BORGES: LOMACHENKO UD
“Lomachenko has forgotten more about boxing than young Lopez knows, which will be Lopez’s undoing. This fight will unfold much like the Alvarez-Mayweather fight did. Lopez will come in with great fire and the confidence of youth but after a few rounds of punching at steam disappearing in front of his eyes he will begin to be hit in ways and from angles he never knew existed. While Lomachenko is beginning to show the signs of age and best be careful early in the fight and late, when Lopez will become desperately frustrated, his technical skills and superior footwork will allow him to prevail convincingly. The one caveat is what can always happen in boxing. I was in the arena the night Kostya Tszyu turned old midway through a fight with Ricky Hatton and ended up quitting on his stool. That can happen to any aging fighter with a lot of wear and tear on him, and Lomachenko is one. But he doesn’t seem as far gone as Tszyu was that night in Manchester, England. Lomachenko 117-111 but the judges will make it a little closer because, well, it’s what they do these days.”
MARTY MULCAHEY: LOMACHENKO UD
“There is a progression boxers must take before tackling an elite opponent, and I do not believe Teofimo has gone through those steps. I admire his ambition, but it is too soon for Teofimo to face Lomachenko. He has not even been tested against a top 10 southpaw yet. Teofimo’s speed and hyperactivity wins the first two rounds, but from that point forward Lomachenko begins to time him and find holes in an increasingly frustrated Lopez. Lomachenko’s angles and quickness will negate Lopez’s size and reach advantage, drawing Lopez towards him and those expertly placed jabs and hooks. It won’t be one-way traffic, but as the rounds ratchet up Teofimo looks for one-punch bombs that Loma evades and builds points against with counters. I see a unanimous decision victory for Lomachenko in the 116-112 range.”
MICHAEL MONTERO: LOMACHENKO UD
“Experience matters. Lomachenko and Lopez both have 15 professional fights, but against a very different level of opposition. Even before turning pro, Loma had over 400+ fights in the amateurs and the World Series of Boxing. He’s seen every fighter style several times over, while Lopez is making a huge leap in opposition against the Ukrainian. I expect the veteran to use his superior footwork and angles to keep Lopez off balance. Loma will win a unanimous decision, probably in the 116-112 range.”
GARETH A. DAVIES: LOMACHENKO UD
“This will be Vasiliy Lomachenko’s toughest fight. He will play matador to Teofimo Lopez’s bullish style, and we will be regally entertained. Loma can lose this fight against a naturally bigger, very aggressive fighter who gives no respite. However, Teo will be hit more, and more accurately, even harder, than he has been hit before. It is a great fight. Lomachenko on points 116-112 after a very tough first third of the contest.”
NORM FRAUENHEIM: LOMACHENKO UD
“It’s a fight loaded with angles. Lomachenko has more of them. Lomachenko’s brilliant mastery of the ring’s geometry figures to be the difference, especially in the later rounds against the younger Teofimo Lopez. The danger for Lomachenko rests in the opening rounds. That’s when Lopez, 23, could hurt the 32-year-old Lomachenko, whose smarts and proven pain tolerance are sure signs he’ll survive the early assault. The Ukrainian has endured injuries to his shoulder and his hands. He has faced, and conquered, the adversity. There will be some – maybe plenty, but not enough to beat him in a compelling fight that ends with Lomachenko winning by two to three points on the cards.”
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
The Ring Fight Picks: Vasiliy Lomachenko-Teofimo Lopez
BOXING INSIDERS
ROBERT GARCIA (FORMER WORLD TITLEHOLDER/TRAINER): LOMACHENKO PTS
“I think that’s the fight everybody is waiting for. 2020 hasn’t been too good because of the pandemic, but I think Teofimo versus Loma is a fight that everybody is excited about. I think it’s a very even fight, I think the fight could go either way. I think Teofimo has the heart, the speed, the power to land a good punch and hurt Loma, but Loma has the skills to [win a] decision. If I had to pick, I would pick Loma by decision, but it’s a tough one, it’s going to be a very good fight.”
MICHAEL AMOO-BEDIAKO (MANAGER): LOMACHENKO PTS
“Loma has the skills to unsettle Lopez, and if he gets into a rhythm he will be hard to peg back. He could frustrate Lopez like Nakatani, but with the size difference it only takes one punch from Lopez to change all that. I’m going for Loma on points.”
DUKE MCKENZIE (FORMER THREE-DIVISION TITLEHOLDER/TV ANALYST): LOPEZ TKO
“While many can’t see Loma losing, I give Lopez every chance of the upset. They’re both very good, but Loma has peaked, while Lopez is yet to peak but is already at this level. Lopez wins via late stoppage.”
MARC RAMSAY (TRAINER): LOMACHENKO UD
“It’s very hard to go against a talented fighter like Lomachenko, but I feel that Lopez can be a real danger for him. Lopez is the real deal and complete package. He is big, fast, good and powerful. We saw in the Linares fight, when he sent Lomachenko to canvas, the way to neutralize Lomachenko’s speed is not by counter punching him because its already too late. You need coordination, timing and [you need] to take the risk to throw at the same time as him. Lopez is fast and physically strong enough to do that. Despite all that, I still think Lomachenko will win a unanimous decision but keep your eyes open – no errors are allowed.”
JOLENE MIZZONE (MATCHMAKER, MAIN EVENTS): LOMACHENKO UD
“I just think Loma has fought much better opposition than Lopez. I think this fight for Lopez is a little too soon. I believe Loma is going to box Lopez’s ears off. Don’t get me wrong, I love Lopez, his style inside and outside the ring, but I think this fight is too soon for him.”
KATHY DUVA (PROMOTER, MAIN EVENTS): LOMACHENKO TKO
“I pick Loma to defeat Lopez. I’ll even go out on a limb and predict a late stoppage. I believe that Loma is the best pound-for-pound fighter in boxing today and he will prove it again against Lopez, who is a spectacular young prospect. My belief is that Lopez will find himself in a ‘too much, too soon’ situation. Loma’s exceptional talent, ring intelligence and experience will prevail.”
STEVE FARHOOD (TV ANALYST): LOPEZ PTS
“The sensible pick is Loma on points, but let’s not forget this is 2020, so … I’ll go with Lopez by close decision. More natural at the weight, very hungry, and pretty damn good, too.”
RAUL MARQUEZ (FORMER WORLD CHAMPION/COMMENTATOR): LOMACHENKO PTS
“I keep going back and forth on this one. But I feel Loma is too experienced. I believe he schools Lopez. Lopez has never fought anyone as mobile and skillful as Loma. Everyone has stood in front of Lopez. Loma wins by decision.”
CAMERON DUNKIN (PROMOTER, NOW BOXING PROMOTIONS): LOMACHENKO PTS
“I think it’s going to be really rough early for Lomachenko. Lopez is going to put pressure on Lomachenko, and that means Lomachenko could hit him and hurt him. Once we get through that and it settles down, I think Lomachenko will find a way to not get hit by a big shot and box his way to victory, but it’s not going to be easy. It’s going to be a good fight.”
SERGIO MORA (FORMER WORLD CHAMPION/COMMENTATOR): LOMACHENKO TKO 8
“I like Loma by TKO. I love Lopez’s tough talk and confidence. I really do. I wish the kid well, but Loma will use that aggression to run Lopez into big punches. Loma TKO 8.”
RUDY HERNANDEZ (TRAINER): LOMACHENKO PTS
“I think it’s an interesting fight. The young lion versus the older lion. Lomachenko is unique, no one else like him. Lots of experience but most importantly, confidence. He has fought them all with his amateur experience. Lopez dares to be great. Just like the ones who have taken the chance in their younger years but most thought they weren’t ready. I like Lomachenko by decision. I think Lopez will come out a better fighter with the experience earned. He’ll be a star; his confidence to be great will take him to stardom.”
Final Tally: Lomachenko 18-2
BOXING INSIDERS
ROBERT GARCIA (FORMER WORLD TITLEHOLDER/TRAINER): LOMACHENKO PTS
“I think that’s the fight everybody is waiting for. 2020 hasn’t been too good because of the pandemic, but I think Teofimo versus Loma is a fight that everybody is excited about. I think it’s a very even fight, I think the fight could go either way. I think Teofimo has the heart, the speed, the power to land a good punch and hurt Loma, but Loma has the skills to [win a] decision. If I had to pick, I would pick Loma by decision, but it’s a tough one, it’s going to be a very good fight.”
MICHAEL AMOO-BEDIAKO (MANAGER): LOMACHENKO PTS
“Loma has the skills to unsettle Lopez, and if he gets into a rhythm he will be hard to peg back. He could frustrate Lopez like Nakatani, but with the size difference it only takes one punch from Lopez to change all that. I’m going for Loma on points.”
DUKE MCKENZIE (FORMER THREE-DIVISION TITLEHOLDER/TV ANALYST): LOPEZ TKO
“While many can’t see Loma losing, I give Lopez every chance of the upset. They’re both very good, but Loma has peaked, while Lopez is yet to peak but is already at this level. Lopez wins via late stoppage.”
MARC RAMSAY (TRAINER): LOMACHENKO UD
“It’s very hard to go against a talented fighter like Lomachenko, but I feel that Lopez can be a real danger for him. Lopez is the real deal and complete package. He is big, fast, good and powerful. We saw in the Linares fight, when he sent Lomachenko to canvas, the way to neutralize Lomachenko’s speed is not by counter punching him because its already too late. You need coordination, timing and [you need] to take the risk to throw at the same time as him. Lopez is fast and physically strong enough to do that. Despite all that, I still think Lomachenko will win a unanimous decision but keep your eyes open – no errors are allowed.”
JOLENE MIZZONE (MATCHMAKER, MAIN EVENTS): LOMACHENKO UD
“I just think Loma has fought much better opposition than Lopez. I think this fight for Lopez is a little too soon. I believe Loma is going to box Lopez’s ears off. Don’t get me wrong, I love Lopez, his style inside and outside the ring, but I think this fight is too soon for him.”
KATHY DUVA (PROMOTER, MAIN EVENTS): LOMACHENKO TKO
“I pick Loma to defeat Lopez. I’ll even go out on a limb and predict a late stoppage. I believe that Loma is the best pound-for-pound fighter in boxing today and he will prove it again against Lopez, who is a spectacular young prospect. My belief is that Lopez will find himself in a ‘too much, too soon’ situation. Loma’s exceptional talent, ring intelligence and experience will prevail.”
STEVE FARHOOD (TV ANALYST): LOPEZ PTS
“The sensible pick is Loma on points, but let’s not forget this is 2020, so … I’ll go with Lopez by close decision. More natural at the weight, very hungry, and pretty damn good, too.”
RAUL MARQUEZ (FORMER WORLD CHAMPION/COMMENTATOR): LOMACHENKO PTS
“I keep going back and forth on this one. But I feel Loma is too experienced. I believe he schools Lopez. Lopez has never fought anyone as mobile and skillful as Loma. Everyone has stood in front of Lopez. Loma wins by decision.”
CAMERON DUNKIN (PROMOTER, NOW BOXING PROMOTIONS): LOMACHENKO PTS
“I think it’s going to be really rough early for Lomachenko. Lopez is going to put pressure on Lomachenko, and that means Lomachenko could hit him and hurt him. Once we get through that and it settles down, I think Lomachenko will find a way to not get hit by a big shot and box his way to victory, but it’s not going to be easy. It’s going to be a good fight.”
SERGIO MORA (FORMER WORLD CHAMPION/COMMENTATOR): LOMACHENKO TKO 8
“I like Loma by TKO. I love Lopez’s tough talk and confidence. I really do. I wish the kid well, but Loma will use that aggression to run Lopez into big punches. Loma TKO 8.”
RUDY HERNANDEZ (TRAINER): LOMACHENKO PTS
“I think it’s an interesting fight. The young lion versus the older lion. Lomachenko is unique, no one else like him. Lots of experience but most importantly, confidence. He has fought them all with his amateur experience. Lopez dares to be great. Just like the ones who have taken the chance in their younger years but most thought they weren’t ready. I like Lomachenko by decision. I think Lopez will come out a better fighter with the experience earned. He’ll be a star; his confidence to be great will take him to stardom.”
Final Tally: Lomachenko 18-2
Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
What strange arguments he did. Especially after rightfully pointing out, which pick had been sensible.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 07:13 STEVE FARHOOD (TV ANALYST): LOPEZ PTS
“The sensible pick is Loma on points, but let’s not forget this is 2020, so … I’ll go with Lopez by close decision. More natural at the weight, very hungry, and pretty damn good, too.”
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
As a pundit, there is good value in a lopez pick, with so many going for loma when lopez has a great shot--no one will care if you picked loma and got it right, but if you get lopez you'll be one of the strong, the proud, the few---the correct
Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
A sorta venture.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 09:05 As a pundit, there is good value in a lopez pick, with so many going for loma when lopez has a great shot--no one will care if you picked loma and got it right, but if you get lopez you'll be one of the strong, the proud, the few---the correct
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
People underrate Lopez boxing skill and Lomachenkos punching power. Btw i am not often look at pre fight comments from boxers, but Lopez and his father trash talks are just so much idiotic. Hopefully Lomachenko will deliver some solid beating to him. 
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
I hope loma ends up unconscious.
Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
I hope you are rightOnetimeonly wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 07:09Loma won't be knocking him out.giacomino wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 19:19Not sure it will last as long as Leonard-Green. A couple of years from now this would be a competitive fight maybeThomastearns wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 15:59 “Two years ago I told people that we were going to take Lomachenko’s head off, because he is a lying champion,” Lopez Sr. said, via Boxing Scene. “He has never faced a fighter like my son. We come very hungry … In March or April of 2020, we will end Lomachenko and we will end him in less than five rounds. … And if he beats Lomachenko, he can be considered the No. 1 pound per pound in the world. We are going to do it.”
Lopez snr. seemed to be confident last December. I wonder how he feels now?
I still expect Lopez to be on the end of the best boxing lesson since Dave 'Boy' Green faced off against Sugar Ray Leonard.
As Lopez won't be planning to outbox Loma this could be a real cracker.
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
There are some parallels between this bout and RJJr vs Antonio Tarver II. Lomachenko a former featherweight champion with lots and lots of amateur wear and tear who is now campaigning two divisions higher at lightweight is meeting up with a younger larger opponent. Thats however where the similarities end pretty much, Loma not being as talented as RJJr and Teofimo being a much better fighter than Tarver ever was.
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
you picking teo here bruhH8Usernames wrote: ↑13 Oct 2020, 22:16 There are some parallels between this bout and RJJr vs Antonio Tarver II. Lomachenko a former featherweight champion with lots and lots of amateur wear and tear who is now campaigning two divisions higher at lightweight is meeting up with a younger larger opponent. Thats however where the similarities end pretty much, Loma not being as talented as RJJr and Teofimo being a much better fighter than Tarver ever was.
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
I got to 3:27 of that video before wanting to see no more. Talk about building the hype.
Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
Lopez is a smart fighter, he has the tools but does he have the critical moment mentality to guide himself through the fight, I don't know yet.
If you were in Lomachenko's corner what would your concern be ?
Me, Probably size, momentum swings, ability to go head to head down the stretch should Lopez come out of the early going relatively unscathed.
Something like that.
If you were in Lomachenko's corner what would your concern be ?
Me, Probably size, momentum swings, ability to go head to head down the stretch should Lopez come out of the early going relatively unscathed.
Something like that.
Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
I would be concerned about Lopez speed and accuracy/timing. That is real dangerEvander wrote: ↑14 Oct 2020, 02:17 Lopez is a smart fighter, he has the tools but does he have the critical moment mentality to guide himself through the fight, I don't know yet.
If you were in Lomachenko's corner what would your concern be ?
Me, Probably size, momentum swings, ability to go head to head down the stretch should Lopez come out of the early going relatively unscathed.
Something like that.
Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
He's young he should be quick.Cent0089 wrote: ↑14 Oct 2020, 02:25I would be concerned about Lopez speed and accuracy/timing. That is real dangerEvander wrote: ↑14 Oct 2020, 02:17 Lopez is a smart fighter, he has the tools but does he have the critical moment mentality to guide himself through the fight, I don't know yet.
If you were in Lomachenko's corner what would your concern be ?
Me, Probably size, momentum swings, ability to go head to head down the stretch should Lopez come out of the early going relatively unscathed.
Something like that.
If he get's caught up into cycles he can't complete then it's possible he could fall behind, but he's a youthful boxer and should have enough to physically stay in the fight, for example he can take a shot and perhaps come from behind if the more experienced boxer takes charge earlier than expected.
He's corner will be important.
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
Clay Collard has tested positive. Out of his rematch.
Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
Quintavious Cash stepped in for Collard. Whole undercard is pretty good IMO, btw what is your thought on Loma - Lopez ?
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
I'm in too minds.. I don't think anyone gets stopped. Loma is too smart.. But Lopez is more hungry.
I do prefer Loma.. Mostly because I don't like the trash talk that Lopez and his dad do. Reminds me of the Garcia's a little bit.
I want Loma to win... But I don't mind who takes it. This is the kind of fight where I say, may the best man win and hope for a good fight.
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
Teddy Atlas previews Vasily Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez
“He’s the naturally bigger guy, he’s talented, and he not only has power, but he’s also explosive,” Atlas said of Teofimo at The Fight with Teddy Atlas. “He has something that Pacquiao had when he was really young.
“That explosive ability to close the gap really fast. He’s right on top of you really quick. He’s out of range, and then he closes that gap before you can react to it with the power with the goods.
“He ain’t FedEx. He’s Lopez. He’s not knocking on your door. And he’s going through your door. He was developed by his father from the beginning, like a test tube baby in certain ways.
“His father knew what he wanted him to be. He wanted him to be an Olympic champion and a world champion. Lomachenko doesn’t have the genetics that Lopez has, but he’s developed other areas.
“Mentally, he’s been developed to be what he is now. Physically, even though he doesn’t have the natural genetics, he’s worked on specific exercises and training to make himself very strong,” Atlas said of Lomachenko.
“I’ve seen him in the training camp where he walks on his hands all over the ring, and then he starts doing pushups. His father has devised ways to make up for what he didn’t have naturally.
“That’s what makes this interesting—the natural [Teofimo] vs. the developed [Lomachenko]. And with punches, the born vs. the making,” said Atlas.
“He’s 32-years-old, nine-years older than Lopez, but it’s kind of like a car,” said Atlas.”You don’t judge a car by its year. It’s by the odometer. This is a guy that had 400 amateur fights.
“That’s what I’m talking about miles,” Teddy said of Lomachenko. “Yeah, he’s a slick guy, a smart guy, but he’s taken some bumps in the road. He got dropped by Linares, and that’s another interesting part of this.
“If Linares could put him on the floor, then there’s a chance that Lopez can land it. If Lopez lands it, it’s got more impact coming from him, obviously, and it can do more damage than Linares could do.
“The younger guy [Teofimo] believes in himself, and he’s like the stallion that hasn’t been broken yet. Can Lomachenko break him? Lomachenko will either take him apart piece by piece like he’s done to people before.
“It’s not as if he’s not been in there with a guy that could blow you up before. Whether it was Nicholas Walters or whoever you want to point at. He took him apart.
“So he’s either going to take this guy [Teofimo] piece by piece or man, it’s going to be classic. Maybe fight of the year. This is the one that can surpass it [Jose Zepeda vs. Ivan Baranchyk] or has the potential,” said Teddy.
“So he either takes him apart piece by piece, Mr. Lomachenko, or the young guy says, ‘I’m here with the new,” Atlas said. “I’m here to put my flag down. You were great, but I have the kryptonite.’
“If any, how much have Lomachenko gone into the shadows [translation: started to deteriorate due to age and wear and tear].
“That element has to be brought into this conversation. Because if not, it’s easy to say ‘Loma.’ Do I see a regression in Loma? I see maybe a little bit of what I saw in Pacquiao.
“If anything has slowed a bit, he’s not quite as aggressive as he used to be. Loma may be pulling back slightly in that area because what Loma does is he’s an aggressive counter puncher.
“He goes right at you, forces you to miss, and then makes you pay, and takes the hope away from you by doing that.
“That’s the fight that if he wins, it’s because of that fight,” Atlas said about Teofimo’s hard match against Masayoshi Nakatani. “If I’m his father, I’m so happy he had that fight because without that fight, he might not beat [Richard] Commey, and he has no chance against Loma.
“Not looking spectacular humbled him and made him think about things we need to think about when we’re young. That fight against the Japanese fighter is what he needed. We need to struggle in life to learn about our self,” said Teddy.
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“You don’t want to go into a fight with a fighter like Lomachenko with still open questions,” Atlas said. “Without that fight, he [Teofimo] has no chance].
“Without the fight against the Japanese fighter, Lopez would have had a good chance of being discouraged, and I think he’s been fortified. He’s been given an asbestos suit for the fire that he’s about to go into it.
“That was a competitive one-sided fight where you knew that Loma was in charge, but he got shaken a couple of times,” said Atlas about Lomachenko’s last contest against Luke Campbell.
“He got shaken up twice, which didn’t use to happen much. Yeah, he got dropped, Linares. Campbell is not a puncher; he’s not a physical guy. He caught him as a southpaw, and he caught Loma with a left-hand counter a few times.
“He got an effect from him. Loma did what he does and came back and dominated. He’s mentally the guy. Maybe that showed you something in the Campbell fight that he’s prone to being caught, maybe.
“He had to deal with that. Maybe he’s not u for those fights, but he [Lomachenko] did get caught, he did get affected. We saw that.
“If you think Lopez represents Canelo in a way in going in there with a slick guy, both slick guys, Loma and [Floyd] Mayweather, and then his power is his most important element here,” Atlas said in comparing Teofimo to Canelo Alvarez for when he fought Mayweather.
Nakatani’s size was hard for Lopez to adjust to because he was able to take away his power shots by staying on the outside. Lomachenko and his dad will have studied the Teofimo-Nakatani fight closely, and you can bet they’ll be following Nakatani’s blueprint.
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“Everyone thought that the size was going to be an advantage for Canelo. The difference here is, Lopez has quicker feet and is more explosive. Also, Lomachenko isn’t Mayweather.
“He’s a real great counter puncher, but I differentiate earlier. He’s [Lomachenko] an aggressive counter puncher. Mayweather makes you find him, and that shows the shortcomings that Canelo had,” said Teddy.
“Loma is going to force him to punch and miss, and that’s going into the lion’s den a little bit,” Atlas continued. “That’s taking more of a risk than Mayweather takes.
“Is he still going to be that guy at 32? I’m seeing a little slide. Or is he going t make adaptions instead of being an aggressive counter puncher, he’ll be a counter puncher in a more conventional sense?
“He’ll use his legs. He has the best legs in boxing, he still does. He’ll use his legs from the outside to get Lopez to give him what he needs to stay outside and pot shot and pickpocket him.
“I’m going to say he’s going to adapt. He needs to be what he used to be. I can see Lomachenko getting dropped in this fight. There’s that kind of danger. I can see him getting stopped even.
“They [Lomachenko and his dad/trainer Anatoliy] know that knowledge and respect will show in the ring.
“They will make changes and be ready as they can be, even if your foot starts to touch the shadows a tiny bit.
“Loma will go and do what he did against great fighters in the Olympics that were great punchers, and great punchers that he’s faced in the pros and be what he needs to be to disarm them and he’ll win a unanimous decision,” Atlas said in predicting a win for Lomachnko.
“He’s the naturally bigger guy, he’s talented, and he not only has power, but he’s also explosive,” Atlas said of Teofimo at The Fight with Teddy Atlas. “He has something that Pacquiao had when he was really young.
“That explosive ability to close the gap really fast. He’s right on top of you really quick. He’s out of range, and then he closes that gap before you can react to it with the power with the goods.
“He ain’t FedEx. He’s Lopez. He’s not knocking on your door. And he’s going through your door. He was developed by his father from the beginning, like a test tube baby in certain ways.
“His father knew what he wanted him to be. He wanted him to be an Olympic champion and a world champion. Lomachenko doesn’t have the genetics that Lopez has, but he’s developed other areas.
“Mentally, he’s been developed to be what he is now. Physically, even though he doesn’t have the natural genetics, he’s worked on specific exercises and training to make himself very strong,” Atlas said of Lomachenko.
“I’ve seen him in the training camp where he walks on his hands all over the ring, and then he starts doing pushups. His father has devised ways to make up for what he didn’t have naturally.
“That’s what makes this interesting—the natural [Teofimo] vs. the developed [Lomachenko]. And with punches, the born vs. the making,” said Atlas.
“He’s 32-years-old, nine-years older than Lopez, but it’s kind of like a car,” said Atlas.”You don’t judge a car by its year. It’s by the odometer. This is a guy that had 400 amateur fights.
“That’s what I’m talking about miles,” Teddy said of Lomachenko. “Yeah, he’s a slick guy, a smart guy, but he’s taken some bumps in the road. He got dropped by Linares, and that’s another interesting part of this.
“If Linares could put him on the floor, then there’s a chance that Lopez can land it. If Lopez lands it, it’s got more impact coming from him, obviously, and it can do more damage than Linares could do.
“The younger guy [Teofimo] believes in himself, and he’s like the stallion that hasn’t been broken yet. Can Lomachenko break him? Lomachenko will either take him apart piece by piece like he’s done to people before.
“It’s not as if he’s not been in there with a guy that could blow you up before. Whether it was Nicholas Walters or whoever you want to point at. He took him apart.
“So he’s either going to take this guy [Teofimo] piece by piece or man, it’s going to be classic. Maybe fight of the year. This is the one that can surpass it [Jose Zepeda vs. Ivan Baranchyk] or has the potential,” said Teddy.
“So he either takes him apart piece by piece, Mr. Lomachenko, or the young guy says, ‘I’m here with the new,” Atlas said. “I’m here to put my flag down. You were great, but I have the kryptonite.’
“If any, how much have Lomachenko gone into the shadows [translation: started to deteriorate due to age and wear and tear].
“That element has to be brought into this conversation. Because if not, it’s easy to say ‘Loma.’ Do I see a regression in Loma? I see maybe a little bit of what I saw in Pacquiao.
“If anything has slowed a bit, he’s not quite as aggressive as he used to be. Loma may be pulling back slightly in that area because what Loma does is he’s an aggressive counter puncher.
“He goes right at you, forces you to miss, and then makes you pay, and takes the hope away from you by doing that.
“That’s the fight that if he wins, it’s because of that fight,” Atlas said about Teofimo’s hard match against Masayoshi Nakatani. “If I’m his father, I’m so happy he had that fight because without that fight, he might not beat [Richard] Commey, and he has no chance against Loma.
“Not looking spectacular humbled him and made him think about things we need to think about when we’re young. That fight against the Japanese fighter is what he needed. We need to struggle in life to learn about our self,” said Teddy.
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“You don’t want to go into a fight with a fighter like Lomachenko with still open questions,” Atlas said. “Without that fight, he [Teofimo] has no chance].
“Without the fight against the Japanese fighter, Lopez would have had a good chance of being discouraged, and I think he’s been fortified. He’s been given an asbestos suit for the fire that he’s about to go into it.
“That was a competitive one-sided fight where you knew that Loma was in charge, but he got shaken a couple of times,” said Atlas about Lomachenko’s last contest against Luke Campbell.
“He got shaken up twice, which didn’t use to happen much. Yeah, he got dropped, Linares. Campbell is not a puncher; he’s not a physical guy. He caught him as a southpaw, and he caught Loma with a left-hand counter a few times.
“He got an effect from him. Loma did what he does and came back and dominated. He’s mentally the guy. Maybe that showed you something in the Campbell fight that he’s prone to being caught, maybe.
“He had to deal with that. Maybe he’s not u for those fights, but he [Lomachenko] did get caught, he did get affected. We saw that.
“If you think Lopez represents Canelo in a way in going in there with a slick guy, both slick guys, Loma and [Floyd] Mayweather, and then his power is his most important element here,” Atlas said in comparing Teofimo to Canelo Alvarez for when he fought Mayweather.
Nakatani’s size was hard for Lopez to adjust to because he was able to take away his power shots by staying on the outside. Lomachenko and his dad will have studied the Teofimo-Nakatani fight closely, and you can bet they’ll be following Nakatani’s blueprint.
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“Everyone thought that the size was going to be an advantage for Canelo. The difference here is, Lopez has quicker feet and is more explosive. Also, Lomachenko isn’t Mayweather.
“He’s a real great counter puncher, but I differentiate earlier. He’s [Lomachenko] an aggressive counter puncher. Mayweather makes you find him, and that shows the shortcomings that Canelo had,” said Teddy.
“Loma is going to force him to punch and miss, and that’s going into the lion’s den a little bit,” Atlas continued. “That’s taking more of a risk than Mayweather takes.
“Is he still going to be that guy at 32? I’m seeing a little slide. Or is he going t make adaptions instead of being an aggressive counter puncher, he’ll be a counter puncher in a more conventional sense?
“He’ll use his legs. He has the best legs in boxing, he still does. He’ll use his legs from the outside to get Lopez to give him what he needs to stay outside and pot shot and pickpocket him.
“I’m going to say he’s going to adapt. He needs to be what he used to be. I can see Lomachenko getting dropped in this fight. There’s that kind of danger. I can see him getting stopped even.
“They [Lomachenko and his dad/trainer Anatoliy] know that knowledge and respect will show in the ring.
“They will make changes and be ready as they can be, even if your foot starts to touch the shadows a tiny bit.
“Loma will go and do what he did against great fighters in the Olympics that were great punchers, and great punchers that he’s faced in the pros and be what he needs to be to disarm them and he’ll win a unanimous decision,” Atlas said in predicting a win for Lomachnko.
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
I doubt he hurts him and I don't see teo quitting. You never know, but if I wasn't betting Lopez I'd bet loma Dec.
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
We know Lopez with his giant hands can crack a little but it's disappointing that a truly great boxer like Vasyl Lomachenko still has doubters.
Nevermind, currently here on boxrec 83% of us are predicting a Loma victory. Let's face it, any Lopez victory would be a huge upset.
It's simply not happening - the judges might not get out alive if they try to pull any Canelo type rabbits here. The respective career trajectories of Loma and Lopez are still years too far apart.
In a few days time everyone will say it was obvious. It usually is after the event.
Nevermind, currently here on boxrec 83% of us are predicting a Loma victory. Let's face it, any Lopez victory would be a huge upset.
It's simply not happening - the judges might not get out alive if they try to pull any Canelo type rabbits here. The respective career trajectories of Loma and Lopez are still years too far apart.
In a few days time everyone will say it was obvious. It usually is after the event.
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
is this fight in Ukraine then?Thomastearns wrote: ↑14 Oct 2020, 12:11
It's simply not happening - the judges might not get out alive if they try to pull any Canelo type rabbits here.
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
Lopez is the higher upside draw. Loma went to hell with Linares, Lopez is much more dangerous. It's time for his test. In a few days we might be hearing about how poor loma was too small.
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Re: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020
A little concerned about teo's weight being so low so early, hopefully he's just beasting.