Cyclone / Frampton Court Case

[detamour]

Court is not a path to take lightly. But given the money involved in this, what else are you going to do.

Damn, did Barry not learn to avoid Court Proceedings remember Barney Eastwood case which he lost badly.

[Noxy]

I remember it well. It was big news at the time. Who would have seen McGuigan and Eastwood ending up like that.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The only people who will make money out of this case is the lawyers on both sides who will keep the case going as long they can to make money I personally have a very dim view of solicitors and lawyers they are very clever manipulative people who in my experience I have found to be financially very rich but morally bankrupt

Try defending yourself in court without one, and see how well it goes.

[orbtastic]

The only people who will make money out of this case is the lawyers on both sides who will keep the case going as long they can to make money I personally have a very dim view of solicitors and lawyers they are very clever manipulative people who in my experience I have found to be financially very rich but morally bankrupt

Try defending yourself in court without one, and see how well it goes.

I was a primary witness for an attempted murder/GBH case. The defendant dismissed his brief on the first day of court and decided to defend himself. Man alive it was car crash viewing, I gave evidence on the first day and took the next 2 days off work to attend court to watch as it was so bad. Kids, never decide you know better than a professional.

[Ruthless-RKO]

At the end of the day, Frampton and McGuigan pushed this to court. Its their decision.

They're chosing to go down this road, knowing it will cost them,,

Frampton better be earning some good money in his next few bouts..

[Coco]

The only people who will make money out of this case is the lawyers on both sides who will keep the case going as long they can to make money I personally have a very dim view of solicitors and lawyers they are very clever manipulative people who in my experience I have found to be financially very rich but morally bankrupt

Try defending yourself in court without one, and see how well it goes.

I did it once on speeding tickets in a magistrates and won!
Prob helped that I was the only defendant not wearing a tracksuit!
Are you allowed to defend yourself in crown court?

[orbtastic]

Yeah you can. Seen it done. Badly.

[olij999]

The only people who will make money out of this case is the lawyers on both sides who will keep the case going as long they can to make money I personally have a very dim view of solicitors and lawyers they are very clever manipulative people who in my experience I have found to be financially very rich but morally bankrupt

All of them, Spudder?

[cam2010]

Hi
I’ve a vested interest in the outcome of this case because a member of my family has had legal dealings with the Mcguigans
I’m seeing the same sort of scenario that our family had to deal with. Barry Mcguigan is a clever man ,in his eyes that is ,who would stop at nothing to reach his target .
I cannot understand why Sandra is not in the dock as Frampton named her in the charges and she is the one who manipulates all the money.
As regards expenses I’ve seen extended members of the Mcguigan family attend shows with hotels etc
When Framptons fight in Belfast fell through the entourage became smaller for subsequent shows as obviously the money wasn’t coming in so thick and fast.
It will be interesting after this case is finished if Mcguigan will go after Josh Taylor.
To all those people who have met Mcguigan and say he seemed a decent chap all I will say is did you have financial dealings with him,

[Muttley]

Hi
I’ve a vested interest in the outcome of this case because a member of my family has had legal dealings with the Mcguigans
I’m seeing the same sort of scenario that our family had to deal with. Barry Mcguigan is a clever man ,in his eyes that is ,who would stop at nothing to reach his target .
I cannot understand why Sandra is not in the dock as Frampton named her in the charges and she is the one who manipulates all the money.
As regards expenses I’ve seen extended members of the Mcguigan family attend shows with hotels etc
When Framptons fight in Belfast fell through the entourage became smaller for subsequent shows as obviously the money wasn’t coming in so thick and fast.
It will be interesting after this case is finished if Mcguigan will go after Josh Taylor.
To all those people who have met Mcguigan and say he seemed a decent chap all I will say is did you have financial dealings with him,

The truth will come out in the end it always does. If Sandra has been named in the charges then she be called. Lets see what happens

[JimStone]

The truth will come out in the end it always does.

Somewhat ironically, your statement is untrue. It's the sort of thing school teachers at the end of their tether say when they can't find out who was smoking in the toilets.

[spudder56]

The only people who will make money out of this case is the lawyers on both sides who will keep the case going as long they can to make money I personally have a very dim view of solicitors and lawyers they are very clever manipulative people who in my experience I have found to be financially very rich but morally bankrupt

All of them, Spudder?

Yeah apart from you Oliver I hope you’re keeping well

[high tower 1]

Did Taylor break his contract too ? He’ll be watching this case very closely.

[olij999]

The only people who will make money out of this case is the lawyers on both sides who will keep the case going as long they can to make money I personally have a very dim view of solicitors and lawyers they are very clever manipulative people who in my experience I have found to be financially very rich but morally bankrupt

All of them, Spudder?

Yeah apart from you Oliver I hope you’re keeping well

Not bad here, thanks. Hope you're well too.

[coneye]

The only people who will make money out of this case is the lawyers on both sides who will keep the case going as long they can to make money I personally have a very dim view of solicitors and lawyers they are very clever manipulative people who in my experience I have found to be financially very rich but morally bankrupt

All of them, Spudder?

Yeah apart from you Oliver I hope you’re keeping well

Are you a lawyer then 999 , Whats your take on it

[dalcumly]

Barry McGuigan was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He came from a fairly poor working class family on the Irish border, and his education was at best pretty average. He became a very good boxer and made a lot of money.
When he retired he stuck with what he knew - boxing. He created a company which promoted boxing shows, managed and trained boxers and most of his immediate family had roles to play.
None of the family were well schooled in ANY of those roles and I strongly suspect that administratively the professionalism necessary was sadly lacking.
I don't believe that McGuigan is dishonest - I may be wrong - but I do believe he thinks he's cleverer than he actually is and I wouldn't be surprised if mistakes were made.
I like McGuigan AND Frampton, and I just wish they could both sit down together, privately and agree a compromise.

[cam2010]

Him and his wifes families both owned shops so I wouldn’t say poor working class

[Black Sam Bellamy]

Wherever Barry may have come from this must surely be the end for him in this sport ?

[cam2010]

Hopefully, the only one who may have something to salvage is Shane, who seems to stay away from all the politics. I’m not saying he doesn’t have his fingers in the pot though

[mickey1975]

Hopefully, the only one who may have something to salvage is Shane, who seems to stay away from all the politics. I’m not saying he doesn’t have his fingers in the pot though

He’s entitled to his 10%.

[cam2010]

It’s not just 10% though is it ,he is a shareholder in the myriad of Mcguigan companies.
Check Finbar Mcguigan in companies house.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Court hears Barry McGuigan ‘tore up’ $500,000 cheque given to Carl Frampton

Barry McGuigan tore up a $500,000 cheque given to Carl Frampton post his New York hosted victory over Leo Santa Cruz a court was told yesterday.

Counsel for Frampton made the allegations as the court case brought by the Belfast fighter continued.

Frampton’s legal team alleged a cheque for six figures was destroyed to control and hide payments from the fighter.

During another day of cross-examination, McGuigan was queried with regard to the 2016 fight Frampton won to become Ireland’s second ever two weight world champion.

As previously revealed to the court Frampton’s purse was listed as $500,000, but his actual purse was to be $1.5m.

Gavin Millar QC, for the Frampton said when addressing his clients former manager: “You were prepared to participate in an arrangement where a lower bout fee was specified… than the actual bout fee, weren’t you?”

It was a statement McGugian agreed with.

“You told the US promoter who had given him that cheque that all monies had to come through you, and you ripped the cheque up,” Millar alleged.

McGuigan denied the allegation stating: “That’s complete cobblers, that’s rubbish.

“I handed the cheque back to him and I didn’t mention anything about money going to me.”

Asked why he returned it, he added: “Because that wasn’t the true figure, he knew that, and he was going to wire the money on obviously.

“The purse wasn’t $500,000, that was just what we declared.”

Counsel for Frampton continued : “On our case, which is that you tore the cheque up, the reason that you did that was that you wanted to receive the money as Cyclone so that you could control the money.”

“That’s complete cobblers,” insisted one of two legendary Irish fighters embroiled in a legal battle.

McGuigan also denied allegations Frampton wasn’t aware of the full details of the total purse.

Counsel argued: “You were concealing the details from him, you were concealing the amounts, and you were concealing the account into which the money was paid.”

Again McGuigan was emphatic in his denial: “That’s absolute rubbish, he knew about everything, he was told about everything.”

‘The Jackal’s’ legal team also raised issues and made allegations with events surrounding the Santa Cruz rematch which took place in Las Vegas in 2017.

A sparring partner had to sleep on the floor in a hall way to make room for members of the McGuigan family when they arrived stateside it was alleged. McGuigan didn’t deny that was the case but suggested it wasn’t an uncommon occurance.

Earlier, in the day the court heard expenses of £75,000 were listed for Frampton’s world title fight against Scott Quigg in Manchester in February 2016.

The figures included a bill for just over £20,000 from the Midlands Hotel in the city and McGuigan was asked if 41 rooms were booked in the hotel.

“I have no idea, I can’t remember that far back, but it was quite a few of us there, certainly in excess of 20 of us,” responded the Monaghan native.

Frampton brought a case against his firmer manager for loss of earnings of up to £6 million.

In a counter-suit, Mr McGuigan is claiming against the Belfast-born boxer for breach of contract.

Both men deny the respective allegations against them.

The case continues.

[Noxy]

Who writes cheques these days. I can’t remember when I last wrote one.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Who writes cheques these days. I can’t remember when I last wrote one.

Americans

[maverick23]

41 hotel rooms?! The mind boogles - what a waste of money! Surely there are only a handful of people (a dozen at most including close family) that would warrant hotel rooms.